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MACS Offline
#51 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 12:32 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Thanks, MACS. Appreciate a little support, even though you are planning to be a future refugee...


There is no denying the inherent beauty and resources of California. It's a beautiful state, no doubt about it.

It's just being run into the ground by retarded politicians... that's all. Wanting to trade it away to Mexico is like throwing out the baby with the bath water.
DrafterX Offline
#52 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 12:34 PM EST
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Is the baby dead..?? Huh
delta1 Offline
#53 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 12:38 PM EST
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smh...some leftists are now taking pages from the other side...a few members of Berkeley's officials are now floating the accusation that the masked and hooded people who were doing the vandalism were anarchists paid for by conservatives to undermine their event...said they could be distinguished by their appearance (masked), which looked different from their students...who were recognized as just watching. Really...

They should have understood the possibility of opposition voices this speaker would attract, because during the days after his appearance was announced, there was an outcry across the campus. So when they invited him, they were obligated to provide enough protection to ensure he was able to speak and to protect those attending, supporters and opponents alike.
delta1 Offline
#54 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 12:40 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
There is no denying the inherent beauty and resources of California. It's a beautiful state, no doubt about it.

It's just being run into the ground by retarded politicians... that's all. Wanting to trade it away to Mexico is like throwing out the baby with the bath water.


Glad you said that instead of "the people here"
MACS Offline
#55 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 12:43 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Glad you said that instead of "the people here"


Hey, brother... I have a lot of respect for you and my brother Andy (xibbumbero) even though you're both leftist loons.

Herfing

(you know I was laughing while I typed that, right?)
TMCTLT Offline
#56 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 1:30 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Glad you said that instead of "the people here"




Al I hope you know when I say this...it is NOT directed @ you fog



Somebody keeps voting those turds into office d'oh!
Speyside Offline
#57 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 1:46 PM EST
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Paul you are correct about your addition to what I said.
TMCTLT Offline
#58 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 1:48 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Paul you are correct about your addition to what I said.



Is it true that only one or two were arrested for their anarchist behavior that day?
DrafterX Offline
#59 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 1:51 PM EST
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I heard Obama told the cops to stand down... Mellow
elRopo Offline
#60 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 2:01 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard Obama told the cops to stand down... Mellow

It was because of that movie
DrafterX Offline
#61 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 2:02 PM EST
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The movie about that guy and the chikens..?? Huh
victor809 Offline
#62 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 2:06 PM EST
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I think it's true. News here said 3 arrests.
I'm not sure why only 3. I'm going to guess the cops made a tactical decision to not rile the crowd. I have no problem with more arests.
Speyside Offline
#63 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 2:12 PM EST
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Everyone of the anarchists that could have been arrested should have been. Even if that meant mobilizing the national guard.
TMCTLT Offline
#64 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 2:18 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Everyone of the anarchists that could have been arrested should have been. Even if that meant mobilizing the national guard.



That's the real difference in good governing vs governing under Jerry Bat chit Crazy Brown
jjanecka Offline
#65 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 2:19 PM EST
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National Gaurd, Marines, Army, turn Berkley into a prison camp until students can act right and not endanger lives.
DrafterX Offline
#66 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 2:20 PM EST
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Turn it into glass..!! Mad
TMCTLT Offline
#67 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 2:20 PM EST
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jjanecka wrote:
National Gaurd, Marines, Army, turn Berkley into a prison camp until students can act right and not endanger lives.


https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/11/how-reagan-dealt-with-sniveling-left-wing-punks-disrupting-civil-order-in-berkeley
elRopo Offline
#68 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 2:21 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
The movie about that guy and the chikens..?? Huh

May have been the one about Iraqi cliff divers, not sure. Think
delta1 Offline
#69 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 2:38 PM EST
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Kinda ironic that Berkeley acquiesced to the demands of the Republican Students club to invite Yiannopolis to speak at the campus, to show that it is still a paragon of free speech. Then all hell breaks loose, vandals prevent the guy from speaking, and the university is catching hell from both sides, but mostly from the right for not "allowing" free speech and not arresting those who violently shut him down. BTW, the UCBPD doesn't have the man-power to react effectively in an incident that large and wide-spread. Officers are trained to remain in compact groups for safety reasons. The city police forces also didn't make many arrests when the thugs left campus and broke windows and damaged property in the city.

I seem to recall some protesters at Trump campaign rallies being forced out, getting threatened, getting punched out, getting spat upon and hearing the man at the podium tell the crowd, "beat the crap outta him" and "in my day we'da carried him out on a stretcher." Wonder how many of the crowd who assaulted those protesters were arrested?

Guess free speech only matters if you like what is being spoken...
victor809 Offline
#70 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 2:41 PM EST
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That is generally true here
Speyside Offline
#71 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 3:16 PM EST
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All free speech matters. Even if you find the creators of that speech repugnant or worse. The day all free speech doesn't matter is the day America becomes smaller. If someone says Sieg Heil, or Allahu Akbar they are no friends of mine. But they have a right to be who they are. As long as they are not perpetrating or inciting criminal actions.
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#72 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 5:53 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Yeah. I said it was a closed campus.
Where do you get this crap?

I'm all for free speech and protests.
But the organizers have to prepare: pull permits, make sure it's done properly, etc.

If they did let in a riot squad from "outside" the university, then they are still responsible.

You have a party in your house and the homeless come by to sell drugs and provide sexual favors for money then YOU will be the one in trouble. You can't say "well they're from out in the street".

But why should we expect college kids or a cigar forum liberal to comprehend anything so complex as Responsibility?





You ain't lived until you've had a bum hummer
tailgater Offline
#73 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 8:46 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
If there is a pot to stir, TG is the FOG to do it. Of course Victor is a master stirrer, um no, masturba***.

What pot?
THis was a riot by the students.
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#74 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 8:54 PM EST
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Your stirring, there is no proof those dressed in black were or were not students. I do think it is a shame the anachists were not arrested. It was a peaceful protest by students. Go back and read who the anarchists were. Oh, the students have every right to protest peacefully.
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#75 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 8:55 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
The KKK endorsed Trump. That didn't mean he was responsible for them or wanted them, or respected them. How is this any different. There has been no link established between Berkley and the anarchists. Those protesting peacefully were well within their rights. I hear all the time here that the federal government should stay out of states buisness. How is this any different.


No link?
It was a student protest.
The thugs showed up on cue, not randomly.
They were part of the show.
You're kidding yourself if you don't see that.
tailgater Offline
#76 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 9:02 PM EST
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Students have the right to organize a peaceful protest.
You don't have to keep saying it.
We agree.

Truth in fact, I encourage it.
Even if the protest is opposite my viewpoint I think it's great when a REAL protest energizes young minds to take action and get involved.

I hate when the message gets blurred and the organizers succumb to the lowest common denominator.

Like scheduled speakers dreaming about blowing up the white house.
or thugs lighting fires while you continue to protest along side the looters.

People forget what responsibility is.
Speyside Offline
#77 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 9:09 PM EST
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Your kidding yourself if you do. How do you know they aren't paid protesters? How do you know they aren't a radical leftist group who hates anything Breitbart? For all I know Soros sent them. How do you know who they are period? I don't think this is as clear cut as you see it. To make any deduction based on the facts availible is a reach, including my guesses as well as your guess. There isn't any real evidence.
victor809 Offline
#78 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 9:13 PM EST
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Tail doesn't realize that there are now (probably starting with the occupoopers) people who make a point to go to protests just to smash stuff and party. They aren't necessarily involved with the group doing the protests.

You saw them in seattle a few years ago... they show up, burn stuff and get out.

They probably don't give a rats azz about this milo guy.
victor809 Offline
#79 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 9:14 PM EST
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... kinda reminds me of a Madison Halloween party, or the Mifflin street block parties in the 90s. A bunch of people who want to burn stuff.
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#80 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 9:15 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Your kidding yourself if you do. How do you know they aren't paid protesters? How do you know they aren't a radical leftist group who hates anything Breitbart? For all I know Soros sent them. How do you know who they are period? I don't think this is as clear cut as you see it. To make any deduction based on the facts availible is a reach, including my guesses as well as your guess. There isn't any real evidence.

Touche~
MACS Offline
#81 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 9:33 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Your stirring, there is no proof those dressed in black were or were not students. I do think it is a shame the anachists were not arrested. It was a peaceful protest by students. Go back and read who the anarchists were. Oh, the students have every right to protest peacefully.


Much like teedub, ol Spey seems to have that fencepost firmly planted.
Speyside Offline
#82 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 9:38 PM EST
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I prefer to think of it being more................crap, MACS is right.
MACS Offline
#83 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 9:48 PM EST
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Herfing

I'm happy you took that the way you did, sir.
Speyside Offline
#84 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 9:57 PM EST
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To be compared to TW does get ones attention.
MACS Offline
#85 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 9:58 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
To be compared to TW does get ones attention.


Ya... freaks.
bgz Offline
#86 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 10:06 PM EST
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Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money.

They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with.

Some men just want to watch the world burn.

-Alfred Pennyworth
MACS Offline
#87 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 11:06 PM EST
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwzffeICkP8
bgz Offline
#88 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 11:23 PM EST
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Yep, that's why I changed my tune. I believe that it is unlikely for Berkeley to pay people to riot, so I do not think they are at fault.

They need to start arresting those a$$holes, then interrogate them.
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#89 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 12:02 AM EST
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bgz wrote:
Yep, that's why I changed my tune. I believe that it is unlikely for Berkeley to pay people to riot, so I do not think they are at fault.

They need to start arresting those a$$holes, then waterboard them.
tailgater Offline
#90 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 10:31 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Your kidding yourself if you do. How do you know they aren't paid protesters? How do you know they aren't a radical leftist group who hates anything Breitbart? For all I know Soros sent them. How do you know who they are period? I don't think this is as clear cut as you see it. To make any deduction based on the facts availible is a reach, including my guesses as well as your guess. There isn't any real evidence.


I don't know.
But neither do you.

What is more likely, though? This was not a national planned protest, where everybody knew about it and could plan an interruption.
It was a college protest against a speaker they are intolerant towards.
When 150+ masked rioters appear from the wings, it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out they were LIKELY part of the plan.

Add to that the police refusing to arrest them?

Berkeley is a special place. I hope the American Flags on their fire engines didn't traumatize too many.
Speyside Offline
#91 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 10:34 AM EST
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I think you conclusions are a reach. They could be right, they could be wrong.
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#92 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 12:30 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
What pot?
THis was a riot by the students.

POT?......I heard the rioting students had lots of pot Think
MACS Offline
#93 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 2:04 PM EST
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http://theralphretort.com/uc-berkeley-rioter-exposed-works-university-203017/
TMCTLT Offline
#94 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 2:39 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
http://theralphretort.com/uc-berkeley-rioter-exposed-works-university-203017/






Huh....

I'm shocked....shocked I tell you. Liar

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#95 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 3:44 PM EST
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https://www.facebook.com/christianstrongbrand/videos/1844059032538124/
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#96 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 4:04 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Berkeley is a special place. I hope the American Flags on their fire engines didn't traumatize too many.


Berkeley removed American flags from police and fire department vehicles when the US first went after Bin Laden shortly after the 9/11 attacks, saying that the flags were "too militaristic" ...
Speyside Offline
#97 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 4:31 PM EST
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If it had been the Stan report I would find it hard to believe.
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#98 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 5:37 PM EST
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SteveS wrote:
Berkeley removed American flags from police and fire department vehicles when the US first went after Bin Laden shortly after the 9/11 attacks, saying that the flags were "too militaristic" ...



Not exactly. After 9/11 all the fire trucks started flying rather large cloth flags to show patriotism and solidarity with all the public safety personnel who perished that day, no different than many fire departments across the country did. The fire chief (?) ordered them removed for a rally/protest because he didn't want the trucks to become targets of aggression. The Mayor of Berkley actually fought against having them removed. They started flying flags again shortly thereafter, just a bit smaller in size. Decals were never removed.
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#99 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 9:30 PM EST
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/uc-berkeley-thug-beat-conservative-bragged-online-university-staff-member/
Speyside Offline
#100 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 9:39 PM EST
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Z, I've read that in quite a few places, but none have been mainstream news sources so at this point I doubt it has been vetted. I think it may be true, but I would like a mainstream news source to publish it, like fox.
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