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The Real Abraham Lincoln
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MACS Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 10:00 PM EST
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Watched it on National Geographic this evening.

First 10 minutes... I heard this: "Lincoln joined the new, anti-slavery party... the Republicans."
Mithrandir Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 10:32 PM EST
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checked this with snopes......FALSE.......he was actually a vampire hunterHerfing
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 10:38 PM EST
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I heard he was a democrat.. there's a statue somewhere that says so.. or so I heard. .. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 10:47 PM EST
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Hmmm. Never knew he was a republican.
MACS Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 10:47 PM EST
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Mithrandir wrote:
checked this with snopes......FALSE.......he was actually a vampire hunterHerfing


LOL!! That was funny!
DrafterX Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 10:49 PM EST
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He hated the Hindu... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 10:49 PM EST
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I heard he was the architect of the southern strategy.
MACS Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 10:51 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Hmmm. Never knew he was a republican.


Sure you did. And you also knew that the Republican party was against slavery. It's just most liberals who seem to have forgotten, or overlooked that fact.
bgz Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 10:52 PM EST
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Wasn't he the first president struck on a coin?
DrafterX Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 10:53 PM EST
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I heard he was shot... Mellow
MACS Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 11:07 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard he was shot... Mellow


LOL! I was going to say that... and there it was.
teedubbya Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 11:09 PM EST
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For designing the southern strategy?
frankj1 Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 11:09 PM EST
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not just shot, but shot in the Temple...first Jewish President.
elRopo Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 11:15 PM EST
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I heard he was honest
DrafterX Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 11:51 PM EST
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I heard he hated cherry trees... Mellow
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Feb 3 2017, 11:57 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Sure you did. And you also knew that the Republican party was against slavery. It's just most liberals who seem to have forgotten, or overlooked that fact.



Methinks you miss the point TW is trying to make...
delta1 Offline
#17 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 12:53 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Sure you did. And you also knew that the Republican party was against slavery. It's just most liberals who seem to have forgotten, or overlooked that fact.



The Republican Party, founded in 1854, in the time of Lincoln, was the liberal and progressive party. It was the main party of the northern states and its primary platform was to oppose and end slavery in the southern states. Theodore Roosevelt's abandonment of the party when he ran for re-election in 1912 as a Progressive in support of small business, caused the shift of the GOP to the modern platform of big business and conservatism.

The Democratic Party, founded in 1828 by Andrew Jackson, were originally slave owners, conservatives and populists, and were dominant in the southern states. During the party realignment in 1912, the Democrats switched its platform to progressive liberalism.

So the Republican Party acted like today's Democrats before it became the Democrats and after the slaves were freed. Democrats were slave owners and became Republicans when the GOP switched platforms.

Kinda like both parties had a sex change operation at the same time...
RMAN4443 Offline
#18 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 12:54 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Watched it on National Geographic this evening.

First 10 minutes... I heard this: "Lincoln joined the new, anti-slavery party... the Republicans."



My father used to own a Lincoln.........ba dum bump, I'm here all week folks, don't forget to try the veal
Herfing
jjanecka Offline
#19 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 8:43 AM EST
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Lincoln... lol wierd guy. He wanted to take all the freed slaves and send them back to Liberia because according to him, "whites and blacks could not live peacefully together in a free society."
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#20 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 9:09 AM EST
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Lincoln was a liberal.
teedubbya Offline
#21 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 9:42 AM EST
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With marfans and a voice like a bird apparently.

My guess is if this forum existed in its current form and makeup back then he would have been hated in here based on his states rights stance alone.

The rhetoric and hatred might even have lead to him getting shot and stuff.

That's right. I blame cbid for the death of Lincoln. You bassard.
DrafterX Offline
#22 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 9:53 AM EST
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OhMyGod
DrafterX Offline
#23 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 9:54 AM EST
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I'm sorry. ... Sad
teedubbya Offline
#24 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 9:56 AM EST
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Your apology is accepted
TMCTLT Offline
#25 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 10:00 AM EST
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jjanecka wrote:
Lincoln... lol wierd guy. He wanted to take all the freed slaves and send them back to Liberia because according to him, "whites and blacks could not live peacefully together in a free society."




Yeah....this ironically gets over-looked almost routinely. But don't forget, the entire war was based on and history today still tells us it was ALL ABOUT ENDING SLAVERY....that's it.....that's why it was started, nothing else....just freeing the slaves. Got it?????
Mr. Jones Offline
#26 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 10:04 AM EST
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I heard "ABE BANGED SALLIE FIELDS "
and got BURT REYNOLDS ENTIRE 50 year
STD PLAN....

ABE IS NOW AT WALTER REED HOSPITAL
ON A NEW S.U.P.E.R. ANTIBIOTIC DRIP LINE
WITH HIS BALLS IN A SLING.
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#27 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 10:06 AM EST
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Whistle

Keeping out of this one but only if the books told the truth

Just saying
MACS Offline
#28 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 10:36 AM EST
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So the democrats are the conservative ones now?

Well, great... I guess I'll just switch parties then.

Sarcasm
teedubbya Offline
#29 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 10:38 AM EST
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I didn't read that anywhere.
teedubbya Offline
#30 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 11:06 AM EST
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When I moved to this area I didn't know anyone and killed time learning the history of the area. I had no idea it was in many ways the center of the start of the civil war. Bleeding Kansas is an excellent book on the subject.

corey sellers Offline
#31 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 11:12 AM EST
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I will have to see if I can find it
teedubbya Offline
#32 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 11:22 AM EST
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This one.

https://www.amazon.com/Bleeding-Kansas-Contested-Liberty-Civil/dp/0700614923

It's particularly interesting to me because all of the towns are in close proximity to me and I visited them while reading the book.

There are a couple similar titles I can't vouch for. I picked my copy up at a little book store near where John brown fired up the towns folks against cantrails raiders etc. funny think about the trustworthiness of the press it's nothing new. We still don't know what the "sacking of Lawrence" really entailed.
teedubbya Offline
#33 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 11:25 AM EST
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Just looked at my copy. The last hundred pages or so are footnotes/source citations. Well researched book.

I agree with this review on amazon

"Professor Etcheson's book is a thorough, objective view of "Bleeding Kansas," the years leading up to the Civil War (1854 to 1861.) She makes the politics of the time as interesting as the armed combat between the (Kansas/New England) Abolitionist and the (Missouri/Southern) Border Ruffian. Etcheson also looks at all points of view with a frank and honest eye, not lionizing the anti-slavery faction or villainizing the pro-slavery faction.

It is by far the most up-to-date and historically accurate book on this important era. A must-read for the Civil War buff and for those in Kansas and Missouri to understand the integral part the region played in setting the stage for the War Between the States."
RMAN4443 Offline
#34 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 12:21 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
With marfans and a voice like a bird apparently.

My guess is if this forum existed in its current form and makeup back then he would have been hated in here based on his states rights stance alone.

The rhetoric and hatred might even have lead to him getting shot and stuff.

That's right. I blame cbid for the death of Lincoln. You bassard.

Prayers Sent Pray Pray Pray
delta1 Offline
#35 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 12:54 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
So the democrats are the conservative ones now?

Well, great... I guess I'll just switch parties then.

Sarcasm



You don't have to. The Democrats and Republicans switched sides in the 1912 Party Realignment. You would have been a Democrat before then, and prolly would've despised vampire hunters...you're safe now...
teedubbya Offline
#36 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 2:02 PM EST
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I heard his favorite song is battle hymn of the Republicans
elRopo Offline
#37 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 3:30 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I heard his favorite song is battle hymn of the Republicans

I heard he liked that "buzzing" song "Jimmy Crack Corn or The Blue Tail Fly" I didn't make that up.
elRopo Offline
#38 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 4:18 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I heard his favorite song is battle hymn of the Republicans

It was said that he asked for it to be played as the lead-in for his address at Gettysburg.
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#39 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 4:47 PM EST
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jetblasted was all over this stuff...too much for some but I was intrigued with his passion about the American South during the Civil War
elRopo Offline
#40 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 5:09 PM EST
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His death was probably the worst thing for any hope of reconciliation with the north. Lincoln wanted to reconcile with the south but the republican congress and U.S.. Grant who later became president only wanted to punish the south for the war.
DrafterX Offline
#41 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 7:37 PM EST
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I heard Hillary's Grandma had him whacked. .. Mellow
delta1 Offline
#42 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 7:42 PM EST
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Hillary's grandma whacked off Lincoln? He a freak or she a freak?
Mr. Jones Offline
#43 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 7:58 PM EST
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You wanna talk about conspiracies....

John Wilkes Booth....
Pretty much ...
"Takes the cake" as the saying goes....

Much has not been written,
And never will...

It is in the REAL BOOK OF AMERICAN SECRETS...

FEW HAVE EVER READ...
NOT EVEN THE LAST THREE PRESIDENTS...

UNCLE BILL DID.

THEY ALL HAVE READ "REDACTED FORGERIES"

H.W. made sure of that....

Damn that Jackie Gleason and his veejayjay.....
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him
Drink....
DrafterX Offline
#44 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 8:07 PM EST
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Why the long face..?? Huh
Mattie B Offline
#45 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 8:08 PM EST
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Sitting on the bench for this one.

Carry on....
frankj1 Offline
#46 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 10:06 PM EST
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Mattie!
Where you been?
Mattie B Offline
#47 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 10:09 PM EST
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Evening Frank.

Been a crazy month or so. Work has been wide open.

Hopefully I can downshift a gear and hang with y'all more.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#48 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 10:14 PM EST
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Mattie B wrote:


Hopefully I can downshift a gear and hang with y'all more.



Thanks for the warning!
DrafterX Offline
#49 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 10:21 PM EST
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Mattie be cool hell.... Mellow
tonygraz Offline
#50 Posted: Sat, Feb 4 2017, 10:56 PM EST
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Have heard many strange things about old Abe - not sure of the accuracy of all of them.
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