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Banning Press from briefings....
JadeRose Offline
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You guys that voted for Trump....is this really ok with you?

Serious question.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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I dunno... I didn't like it when obama did it to fox... but I understood why he did it...

if an artist insisted on twisting the publics perception of you by constantly painting you in the poorest light possible, would you continue to pose for him?
rfenst Offline
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Bad.
delta1 Online
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some of the artists are painting realist renditions...in the style of realism...and Trump, being a public official in a democratic society, has no choice but to pose...
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but clearly he does have a choice who he poses for... that's what this post is about...
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If the American people will tolerate a Pravda or a Xinhua as their sole source of news from its leader, we are............
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I dunno... I didn't like it when obama did it to fox... but I understood why he did it...

if an artist insisted on twisting the publics perception of you by constantly painting you in the poorest light possible, would you continue to pose for him?




when did Obama do it to Fox?
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he didn't ban all news outlets or even most or a large portion of news outlets... he didn't establish an official government news agency...

he did EXACTLY what obama did about 6 years ago... he attempted to teach a lesson to news outlets he thought were unfairly portraying him... it backfired on obama, it'll backfire on trump...
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I didn't vote for him.


Look at all the people that did that replied so far though.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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JadeRose wrote:
when did Obama do it to Fox?


pretty sure it wasn't "obama" but rather his administration... they were banned from interviews with the new "pay czar"... cnn and others stepped up and said basically we aren't doing any interviews with this guy until all news agencies are given access...
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IIRC, Obama didn't ban Fox from his press briefings...he just declined their invitations to do on-air interviews
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“We’ve demonstrated our willingness and ability to exclude Fox News from significant interviews…” - Deputy press secretary Josh Earnest
Speyside Offline
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Dictators do things like this. Democracy leaders do not.
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Washington, DC — July 14, 2011

Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, announced today that it has uncovered documents from the Obama Department of Treasury showing that the Obama administration, contrary to its repeated denials, attempted to exclude the Fox News Channel (FNC) from a round of interviews with Treasury’s “Executive Pay Czar” Kenneth Feinberg. The documents, which include email exchanges within the Department of the Treasury and between Treasury and White House staff, also provide colorful evidence of an anti-Fox News bias within the Obama White House.

The documents, obtained last week by Judicial Watch pursuant to an October, 28, 2009, Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, concern a series of interviews with Feinberg, who served as the Special Master for the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) Executive Compensation, on October 22, 2009, organized by the Treasury Department. According to press reports, the Fox News Channel was specifically excluded from joining the pool of reporters which precipitated a backlash among the networks and a reversal by the Obama Treasury Department.

According to The New York Times: “Fox’s television news competitors refused to go along with a Treasury Department effort on Thursday [October 22, 2009] to exclude Fox from a round of interviews with the executive-pay czar Kenneth R. Feinberg that was to be conducted with a ‘pool’ camera crew…”. Fox News Channel’s James Rosen reported this backlash forced the Obama administration to reconsider its position on the matter: “The Washington bureau chiefs of the five TV news network consulted and decided that none of them would interview Feinberg unless Fox was included, and the administration relented…,” reported Rosen. Ultimately, after other media representatives objected, Fox News Channel was allowed to participate in the interviews.


The Treasury Department’s official response, as detailed in back-and-forth emails uncovered by Judicial Watch, included a clear denial of any such plot to exclude Fox News from the interviews:
“There was no plot to exclude Fox News, and they had the same interview that their competitors did. Much ado about absolutely nothing.”
Moreover, in an October 23, 2009 email to New York Times reporter Jim Rutenberg, Jake Siewart, Counselor to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, repeated the denial that there was an effort to exclude Fox News Channel: “Call me today on your Fox-Treasury report,” Siewart wrote. “Not true that there was an ‘effort to exclude’ Fox.”


However, despite this public position, internal Obama administration emails obtained by Judicial Watch provide evidence that FNC was specifically singled out for exclusion. According to one October 22, 2009, email exchange between Dag Vega, Director of Broadcast Media on the White House staff, to Jenni LeCompte, then-Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs in the Treasury Department, Vega informs LeCompte that “…we’d prefer if you skip Fox please.”


Regarding general anti-FNC bias within the Obama White House in an October 23, 2009, email exchange between Jennifer Psaki, Deputy White House Communications Director and LeCompte, Psaki writes, “I am putting some dead fish in the fox cubby – just cause”. In an email on the night of October 22, 2009, commenting on a report by Fox News Channel anchor Bret Baier noting the exclusion of the network from the pool, Psaki writes to Compte and fellow White House colleagues, “…brett baier just did a stupid piece on it — but he is a lunatic”.
Deputy White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest bluntly described the White House’s position on Fox News Channel in an October 23, 2009, email to LeCompte:
“We’ve demonstrated our willingness and ability to exclude Fox News from significant interviews…”

The Treasury Department blacked out a key email regarding its refusal to make available Treasury Secretary Geithner for an interview on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace.
“The Obama administration seems to have lied about its attempt to exclude Fox News Channel from access to an interview with the ‘pay czar.’ These documents show there is a pervasive anti-Fox bias in the Obama White House,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “The juvenile Mafioso-talk in these emails has no place in any White House. For the Obama administration to purposely exclude a major news organization from access to information has troubling First Amendment implications.”

www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/documents-show-obama-white-house-attacked-excluded-fox-news-channel/
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I didn't vote for him.


Look at all the people that did that replied so far though.




Me neither. I wanted the Johnson
JadeRose Offline
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Interviews are NOT what I'm asking about
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Speyside wrote:
Dictators do things like this. Democracy leaders do not.

ya I hear that's exactly how stalin got started, by not letting 10% of the free media attend one of his press secretary's gaggles...
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I did some research, and there was an effort early in his administration, in 2009, when they weren't willing to include Fox in a specific interview session with Tim Geithner. Other media outlets objected, and Obama backed down. That's prolly where the quote from Earnest came from...and what opel's story was about...

Bad...


...but they backed off and allowed Fox access along with all other major outlets. Obama eventually did interviews on Fox, but he was known to take verbal shots at Fox. I watched Fox occasionally during the Obama years, and there was disproportionately negative and critical pieces. A Snopes check shows that many Fox Obama stories were demonstrably false.

I do watch several "news" outlets occasionally, including Fox, MSNBC, CNN, BBC, and it seems like they are looking at the same event and talking about two different worlds...
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JadeRose wrote:
Interviews are NOT what I'm asking about

you're talking about administration access and the ability of the president to restrict it from any media outlets he chooses... which is what I'm talking about...

it was wrong when obama did it, it's wrong now that trump's doing it...
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delta1 wrote:
I did some research, and there was an effort early in his administration, in 2009, when they weren't willing to include Fox in a specific interview session with Tim Geithner. Other media outlets objected, and Obama backed down. That's prolly where the quote from Earnest came from...

Bad...


...but they backed off and allowed Fox access along with all other major outlets. Obama eventually did interviews on Fox, but he was known to take verbal shots at Fox. I watched Fox occasionally during the Obama years, and there was disproportionately negative and critical pieces. A Snopes check shows that many Fox Obama stories were demonstrably false.


do you think snopes will do one on the CNN newstory about the president taking hair growth medication?

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I fully support keeping the press out of the government's workspace. It was only until the 70's that they were allowed in anyway.
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What y'all have to understand is that the role of government is about to shift from big to minimalist.
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Is the story incorrect?
opelmanta1900 Offline
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No idea... but it isn't news... would you be upset if trump ban the national enquirer?
delta1 Online
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That seems to be the agenda...who will decide what is really needed from the government...will it be we the people or elected and their unelected advisers?
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Actually yes Opel, I would have a problem with the National Enquirer being banned. Even though this is not a violation of the 1st amendment I think silencing the press in any form is dangerous. I don't want to see our country move in a totalitarion direction. In my opinion this is happening under Trump's presidentcy.
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not allowing a specific media agency into a press gaggle is a far cry from "silencing the press"...

in fact, the general rule of thumb on these types of meetings is that only ONE written news outlet and ONE television news outlet are invited... they then further share the information they recieve with the remaining members of the press...

this particular time, 4 of the 5 major news networks were invited... so in a way, Trump is more inclusive than his predecessor...
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To everyone in here expressing concern I ask where was your concern when Obamas goons pulled this??

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/29/obama-operatives-stripped-judical-watch-of-media-s/


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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I didn't vote for him.


Me neither ... but, I sure was elated when Hillary lost ...

there is SO much I'm not crazy about with Trump, but then I consider how VERY unhappy I'd have been with Hillary ...
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
No idea... but it isn't news... would you be upset if trump ban the national enquirer?


Yes. Chilling effect. Slippery slope...
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Much adieu about nothing. Please tell me why any one "news" outlet should have preference over another. There is what 200 seats in the press room? So one gets kicked out and another takes that spot. The press is still covering the White House. Move along, nothing to see here.
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So Obama ACTUALLY HAD A FOX REPORTERS PHONE FUGGIN TAPPED......

Trumps advisor gets briefed by the 2nd in charge at the FBI stating that there is no connection to Russia (trump admin) so the advisor asked to have that info put out. AND CNN leaks it......

Jesus christ, F*** you blind Democrats.

No I don't like this....but what the demoncrats have done **** them .

I only went from independent to R to primary vote after Ron Paul got screwed (his treatment, not the outcome ) but so help me God I don't see ever voting for a D ever.
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It sounds like censorship to me.

Usually, when someone crossed TRUMP in business
He just out sold them, stole their business by better
Deals or if was an employee...he just fired them.

Running a Democracy ( or whatever the other term is?) IS NOT THE SAME AS RUNNING A BUSINESS
AND OR POLICING THE ENTIRE WORLD.

IT IS A THANKLESS JOB WITH TROUBLES AND
BULL CRAP EVERYDAY...
WHO WOULD even want the JOB?
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rfenst wrote:
Yes. Chilling effect. Slippery slope...

I get what you are saying...

but in this particular case, no one was banned... there were just more media outlets invited than usual and cnn wasn't one of them and they're butt hurt about it... they got their information today the exact same way they always do, but others got special access... that's the real story here...
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Actually they didn't "ban" anyone... This was a "gaggle" Which is typically only attended by the WH press pool... Mr Spicer then "invited" some additional reporters to it... Sooo... Rather then excluding anyone ... Which is the norm in a gaggle... He INCLUDED by inviting some additional reporters...
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JadeRose wrote:
You guys that voted for Trump....is this really ok with you?

Serious question.

I don't know really, is the 12 to 15 times Obama met with liberal media in private ok with you? I don't mind it so much but if you're outraged, or if it really bothers you, you have to ask yourself, "self, did it bother me this much when Obama did it"?
Here are a few, yes I cut and pasted but I am a slow typer.
December 2012: Several journalists reported that MSNBC hosts were meeting privately with President Obama to discuss the impending “fiscal cliff” fight.
May 2013: NPR’s Ari Shapiro reported that President Obama was meeting privately with “lefty columnists,” but hastened to add that there was “nothing nefarious” about it.
November 2013: President Obama met again with liberal journalists, as Obamacare struggled with the failure of healthcare.gov and other problems.
March 2015: Politico’s media reporter, Hadas Gold, reported that “a group of journalists and columnists,” all on the left, met privately with President Obama, but the White House refused to say “who else was at the meeting or what was discussed.”

Also the liberal media is really just the propaganda arm of the democratic party, so Obama meeting privately with his media lackeys is far worse than Trumps excluding a few crybaby butt hurt profesional liars. Obama was coordinating his propaganda so all of the outlets had the same spin. Example ?, ok.
Early in the Obama admin the story that we heard was that 99% of guns recovered in Mexican crimes were from the us.
That's all we heard. Turns out that was coordinated with the fast and furious scandal. Obama and Holder were giving those guns to the Mexican criminals. Another example? ok. Bushes drone strikes. When the media reported a drone strike during the Bush admin, we only heard about how many civilians were killed, they wouldn't even report on how many terrorists were killed. Overnight when Obama started killing the enemy with drones, even though he increased the policy, we never heard about civilians being killed, NEVER.
This like other "news stories" you kinda have to look past the headlines for some perspective.
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Lancelotlink wrote:
I don't know really, is the 12 to 15 times Obama met with liberal media in private ok with you? I don't mind it so much but if you're outraged, or if it really bothers you, you have to ask yourself, "self, did it bother me this much when Obama did it"?
Here are a few, yes I cut and pasted but I am a slow typer.
December 2012: Several journalists reported that MSNBC hosts were meeting privately with President Obama to discuss the impending “fiscal cliff” fight.
May 2013: NPR’s Ari Shapiro reported that President Obama was meeting privately with “lefty columnists,” but hastened to add that there was “nothing nefarious” about it.
November 2013: President Obama met again with liberal journalists, as Obamacare struggled with the failure of healthcare.gov and other problems.
March 2015: Politico’s media reporter, Hadas Gold, reported that “a group of journalists and columnists,” all on the left, met privately with President Obama, but the White House refused to say “who else was at the meeting or what was discussed.”


This like other "news stories" kinda have to be tempered.




I don't have to ask myself shit. I asked you, apparently. I didn't vote for the semi-sentient carrot. Nor did I vote for Obama. Libertarian here. Besides.....I'm not talking about Obama. He is no longer the President.


Wait a minute......why am I talking to a noob? I don't deal with noobs. That is for others
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I get what you are saying...

but in this particular case, no one was banned... there were just more media outlets invited than usual and cnn wasn't one of them and they're butt hurt about it... they got their information today the exact same way they always do, but others got special access... that's the real story here...


Real story is that it wasn't just CNN. And, AP boycotted in protest.
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rfenst wrote:
Real story is that it wasn't just CNN. And, AP boycotted in protest.

You're right... i listed cnn because they're the only ones who have a snowballs chance in hell of producing a valid argument for why they should've been invited....

But you're right... it wasn't just cnn... it was every single one of the probably millions of media outlets who also weren't specially invited...

#boisetimesmatters
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JadeRose wrote:
I don't have to ask myself shit. I asked you, apparently. I didn't vote for the semi-sentient carrot. Nor did I vote for Obama. Libertarian here. Besides.....I'm not talking about Obama. He is no longer the President.


Wait a minute......why am I talking to a noob? I don't deal with noobs. That is for others

I don't care if you talk to yourself or not. Your asking Trump voters if they are ok with some press being excluded from briefings, well by your response to my post, Who **** cares what you think about Trump voters.
Also, if your getting some sort of validation because your not a noob on this site and somehow your above engaging with people who don't have a lot of posts on a cigar website, then that's pretty **** pathetic.
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CNN and other news outlets were blocked on Friday from attending an off-camera White House press briefing that other reporters were hand-picked to attend, raising alarm among media organizations and First Amendment watchdogs.

The decision struck veteran White House journalists as unprecedented in the modern era, and escalated tensions in the already fraught relationship between the Trump administration and the press.

The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, Politico, BuzzFeed, the BBC and the Guardian were also among those excluded from the meeting, which was held in White House press secretary Sean Spicer's office. The meeting, which is known as a gaggle, was held in lieu of the daily televised Q-and-A session in the White House briefing room.


Unprecedented??? Hell, it has a name. Sounds like it's happened before to me. It's in Spicer's office. Not like you could have as many people in attendance as in the press room. Why isn't CNN whining about the other 100,000 or more people in the US who are considered members of the press, but weren't included?

When reporters from these news organizations tried to enter Spicer's office for the gaggle, they were told they could not attend because they were not on the list of attendees.


Nothing like crashing a party that you're not invited to.


In a brief statement defending the move, administration spokeswoman Sarah Sanders said the White House "had the pool there so everyone would be represented and get an update from us today."

The White House press pool usually includes representatives from one television outlet, one radio outlet and one print outlet, as well as reporters from a few wire services. In this case, four of the five major television networks -- NBC, ABC, CBS and Fox News -- were invited and attended the meeting, while only CNN was blocked.


So in reality members of the pool where in attendance. Doesn't sound like silencing the media to me.


And while The New York Times was kept out, conservative media organizations Breitbart News, The Washington Times and One America News Network were also allowed in.

WGAF??? I'm sure it would have made news if Fox had not been invited to cozy bro sessions in Obama's White House.

"This is an unacceptable development by the Trump White House," CNN said in a statement. "Apparently this is how they retaliate when you report facts they don't like. We'll keep reporting regardless."

New York Times executive editor Dean Baquet wrote, "Nothing like this has ever happened at the White House in our long history of covering multiple administrations of different parties. We strongly protest the exclusion of The New York Times and the other news organizations. Free media access to a transparent government is obviously of crucial national interest."


Sounds like they are simply mad that they weren't invited to sit on the front row. So, in order to boost rating they cry foul. More crocodile tears.

Reporters from The Associated Press, Time magazine and USA Today decided in the moment to boycott the briefing because of how it was handled.

WGAF part dieu???

Insert more ad nauseam elitist whining
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Lancelotlink wrote:
I don't care if you talk to yourself or not. Your asking Trump voters if they are ok with some press being excluded from briefings, well by your response to my post, Who **** cares what you think about Trump voters.
Also, if your getting some sort of validation because your not a noob on this site and somehow your above engaging with people who don't have a lot of posts on a cigar website, then that's pretty **** pathetic.


Lighten up Francis.
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This is different. The funny part is it was a background sources say sort of meeting on behalf of the administration (i.e. That's what they want) on the same day trump was bashing them for doing sources say meetings.

Like him or hate him I think folks need to pay more attention to what he is doing. he's crafty, I'll give him that.
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teedubbya wrote:
This is different. The funny part is it was a background sources say sort of meeting on behalf of the administration (i.e. That's what they want) on the same day trump was bashing them for doing sources say meetings.

Like him or hate him I think folks need to pay more attention to what he is doing. he's crafty, I'll give him that.



Exactly. He's a master at the game. Fight a two front war. Create chaos and draw attention to one side while quietly doing things on the other side.
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What they did today was very different than what was done to fox. Even fox says so.
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How was it "very different"?
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Francis, no one is asking Trump voters if they are ok with this. What some are saying is this is a slippery slope that they view as a dangerous precedent, that is different that what they have seen in the past.

As far as your indignation, lighten up. The banter here is always like this. If you don't like it, why be here? We are not changing. Also, the banter in this thread is tame, an exchange of philosophies if you will. Finally we respect each others opinions, even if we don't agree with them.
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Lancelotlink wrote:
I don't care if you talk to yourself or not. Your asking Trump voters if they are ok with some press being excluded from briefings, well by your response to my post, Who **** cares what you think about Trump voters.
Also, if your getting some sort of validation because your not a noob on this site and somehow your above engaging with people who don't have a lot of posts on a cigar website, then that's pretty **** pathetic.


Ease up a bit. Jade is one of the few people around here with real common sense.
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delta1 wrote:
That seems to be the agenda...who will decide what is really needed from the government...will it be we the people or elected and their unelected advisers?

Traditionally it has been the elected and their unelected advisors. I don't feel that I have much input on the agenda. I have one vote and then they do what they want. Fine line between the D and the R.
And I'm relative noob by post count. I know you guys like to crack on each other. Maybe not a good idea with a noob. Just sayin'.
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first we eliminate the press...

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