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JadeRose Offline
#51 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 6:09 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I don't want but wrestling - at least to a degree - does involve some amount of butthole touching...





So does Band if you listen to all the guys around here. There are apparently camps for that sort of thing.
8trackdisco Offline
#52 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 6:43 PM EST
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I ask for your understanding.

I am a woman, trapped in a man's body, who's attracted to women, while I'm dressing like a man.

Now get me a bunch of overweight, short haired, unattractive women with dark framed glasses, to shout Hey Hey Ho Ho, and kitschy rhymes that start with 1, 2, 3, 4 before going to Starbucks.

DONT JUDGE ME!

Why are you all so hurtful?!
JadeRose Offline
#53 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 7:23 PM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
I ask for your understanding.

I am a woman, trapped in a man's body, who's attracted to women, while I'm dressing like a man.

Now get me a bunch of overweight, short haired, unattractive women with dark framed glasses, to shout Hey Hey Ho Ho, and kitschy rhymes that start with 1, 2, 3, 4 before going to Starbucks.

DONT JUDGE ME!

Why are you all so hurtful?!




All are welcome
opelmanta1900 Offline
#54 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 7:50 PM EST
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even victor and his "furry" costume?
JadeRose Offline
#55 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 8:00 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
even victor and his "furry" costume?




We'd all miss Victor and his freakiness if he was gone. He'd be the next CROS.
MACS Offline
#56 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 8:02 PM EST
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The science is the science. Your DNA determines your gender, not your thoughts or feelings.

Either you're XX or XY. Hormones and surgery won't change that.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#57 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 8:04 PM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
We'd all miss Victor and his freakiness if he was gone. He'd be the next CROS.

Agreed and I'm certainly not advocating for his removal from this site... I'm just not sure I'm comfortable affixing the word "welcome" to him and his manicorn costume...
elRopo Offline
#58 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 8:05 PM EST
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Protected illegal alien transvestite wrasseling in Austin? Sounds about right.
frankj1 Offline
#59 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 8:17 PM EST
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elRopo wrote:
Fluoridation in the water supply is sapping our precious bodily fluids.

was that from Dr. Strangelove?
elRopo Offline
#60 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 8:21 PM EST
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Yes, one of my most favorite flicks. When I was a kid we did the duck and cover drills in school so I can relate.
frankj1 Offline
#61 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 8:21 PM EST
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bgz wrote:

I know liberals want to push their PC agenda into every facet of everyone's lives, but in this case, science wins. The only fair solution is to not let the hormone junkies compete.


AAAARRRGH!
I just completed C-Bid Brainwashing 101 and was taught that both libs AND science are wrong.
WTF?
frankj1 Offline
#62 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 8:23 PM EST
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elRopo wrote:
Yes, one of my most favorite flicks. When I was a kid we did the duck and cover drills in school so I can relate.

Gen. Jack Rippah!
I actually read the book before I saw the movie decades ago. Kubrick flick I think.

Thanks for using the line, very cool.
elRopo Offline
#63 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 8:33 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
Gen. Jack Rippah!
I actually read the book before I saw the movie decades ago. Kubrick flick I think.

Thanks for using the line, very cool.

Kubrick was a master. Never read the book.
bgz Offline
#64 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 11:08 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
AAAARRRGH!
I just completed C-Bid Brainwashing 101 and was taught that both libs AND science are wrong.
WTF?


Science wrong:

True science is good, science for the sake of keeping the research funds coming by building a result to reinforce a premise is wrong... I get it though, people gotta eat.

Libs wrong:

As one being in the middle, I generally don't deal in absolutes, I prefer to deal in probabilities.
delta1 Offline
#65 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 11:18 PM EST
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why doesn't anyone talk about the nut squeezing that happens in high school wrestling...it's always checking the oil...
elRopo Offline
#66 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 11:45 PM EST
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I don't feel qualified but I've always been suspicious of wrasslers and body builders. My nuts did get squeezed one time when I crossed my legs wearing Levis that got shrunk in the dryer.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#67 Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2017, 6:42 AM EST
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It was comedy when Andy Kaufman wrassled women.

When you involve steroids and testosterone...PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS...BOTH BANNED BY THE IOC!!!...it's called CHEATING!
TMCTLT Offline
#68 Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2017, 7:11 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
The science is the science. Your DNA determines your gender, not your thoughts or feelings.

Either you're XX or XY. Hormones and surgery won't change that.




THIS^^^^^
victor809 Offline
#69 Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2017, 11:00 AM EST
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It's actually not that simple. I used to think this was the easy answer too... But I changed my mind after reading more about it.
Your genes will always remain the same (at least until extremely sophisticated gene editing methods are developed) but more than just genes determines sex and sex identity. Genes are just the base instructions. From there you have very complex cascades of hormone signalling (including apparently hormone signalling from the mother's womb as well). If any of this goes wrong, or if the fetus is insensitive to certain hormones (which incidentally is also genetically coded... So the arguments that genetic xy/xx is the only genetic driver is somewhat incorrect) you can see issues with the identity not matching physiology.

Hormones are extremely powerful. The genes initially code what hormone signals will go out, but issues with hormone signalling can even give you physiological mismatch if I remember correctly (at the extreme)....

Seems to me kind of simplistic to just look at it as xx/xy.
burnem2 Offline
#70 Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2017, 11:24 AM EST
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Doesn't seem fair to me. Males are stronger and faster physically. To Victor.......of course you do......no words.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#71 Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2017, 11:24 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
It's actually not that simple. I used to think this was the easy answer too... But I changed my mind after reading more about it.
Your genes will always remain the same (at least until extremely sophisticated gene editing methods are developed) but more than just genes determines sex and sex identity. Genes are just the base instructions. From there you have very complex cascades of hormone signalling (including apparently hormone signalling from the mother's womb as well). If any of this goes wrong, or if the fetus is insensitive to certain hormones (which incidentally is also genetically coded... So the arguments that genetic xy/xx is the only genetic driver is somewhat incorrect) you can see issues with the identity not matching physiology.

Hormones are extremely powerful. The genes initially code what hormone signals will go out, but issues with hormone signalling can even give you physiological mismatch if I remember correctly (at the extreme)....

Seems to me kind of simplistic to just look at it as xx/xy.


so you believe the way a person feels creates more genetic distinction than their chromosomes and genitalia? this is why people hate the "science" of today... you should read more proven science and less science fiction...
victor809 Offline
#72 Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2017, 12:21 PM EST
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No. But you need to consider that "how someone feels" is found to be driven by the same hormones that drove the physiological difference. They are discovering that this is more than just "I like dresses" or "I'm a tomboy "... This has a chemical cause... a chemical cause that has been impacting the person through their entire development.

I'm trying to point out that a problem is much more complicated than Macs laid it out....seems more constructive than contemplating whether it's worse that a kid is sexually assaulted by a boy or a girl.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#73 Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2017, 12:24 PM EST
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But according to good science, it isn't much more complicated than that... according to the science fiction it is, but that's fiction...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#74 Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2017, 12:30 PM EST
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Really Victor, if what you're saying is true, then every transvestite should have extremely different naturally occurring hormone levels than their non-trans counterparts...

That's science.... show me that study... don't talk about people feelings and act like that's somehow science....


It also would reason that elevating the hormone levels of non trans individuals in a laboratory setting to the mean levels naturally occurring in trans individuals should result in transexualism... show me that study...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#75 Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2017, 12:36 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
No. But you need to consider that "how someone feels" is found to be driven by the same hormones that drove the physiological difference.

Just rereading this, I'm absolutely in awe that you could have typed it, might actually believe it, and consider yourself a scientifically minded person...

how a transsexual person feels has to be linked to hormones? Really, has to be? No scientific possibility they feel like a girl because they were sexually treated like one as a child? Really? I realize I'm "transphobic" for even suggesting it, but have you ever looked into the rate of child abuse victims amongst the trans community vs the non trans community?
Speyside Offline
#76 Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2017, 12:50 PM EST
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Transgender biological males have brains that more closely resemble and function as female brains. Trangender biological females have brains that more closely resemble and function as male brains do. Though the research is in its infancy.
Mr. Jones Offline
#77 Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2017, 12:50 PM EST
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I heard the last TWO GIRLS
HE WRESTLED....

GOTS' all pregnantized....

new future tranny wrestler buns in their ovens....
victor809 Offline
#78 Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2017, 12:51 PM EST
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Opel.
First... no one is going to give people hormones to make them trans in a lab setting. That would violate a lot of general protocols. Second, it wouldn't work. The idea is that these hormone differences (or insensitivity to hormones... keep in mind this means the hormone levels may be normal but the body doesn't have the necessary levels of receptors or mutations may lead to malfunctioning receptors) have been going on throughout development. The brain developed with the different levels or different response to hormones. Jacking an adult with different hormones or blocking hormones in an adult won't give you the same result.

But... good news. They have studied people who have insensitivity to certain hormones and found statistically higher instances of gender dysmorphia.

www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10508-005-4338-5?LI=true

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3402034/

And here's an interesting one which shows how xy infants surgically converted to females at birth (frequently due to a severe developmental issue with the pen!s) will suffer gender dysmorphia because the properly working hormones in their body have developed to make them feel make.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/840538_3
victor809 Offline
#79 Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2017, 12:54 PM EST
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So no...opel... your last post won't work.
If you treat an infant (with properly functioning hormones set to be male) as a female at youth they aren't going to turn into a trans person. That was proven in the last article I posted.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#80 Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2017, 1:09 PM EST
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Wow Victor, thank you for those very insightful links... not sure i could've stumbled upon those wild-ass speculations on my own...
victor809 Offline
#81 Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2017, 1:56 PM EST
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Wild ass speculation?
Three of those links are peer reviewed studies.
delta1 Offline
#82 Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2017, 1:58 PM EST
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...so going camping with zrx is "getting your oil checked"...
DrafterX Offline
#83 Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2017, 2:07 PM EST
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Girls will be boys and boys will be girls..
It's a mixed up muddled up shook up world except for Lola... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#84 Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2017, 2:14 PM EST
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Drafter slept with a trans woman named lola?
victor809 Offline
#85 Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2017, 2:15 PM EST
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...poor lola... she musta really needed the money.
DrafterX Offline
#86 Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2017, 2:15 PM EST
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no way man... Not talking
Speyside Offline
#87 Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2017, 3:10 PM EST
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Transgender is confusing, no pun intended. It is a body orientation, but not necessarily a sexual orientation. People want them to use the bathroom of their birth biological orientation, but in something like wrestling do not want them to use their birth biological orientation. And yes, hormones give an advantage. Not really taking a point of view, just commenting.
dstieger Offline
#88 Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2017, 3:30 PM EST
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It's also confusing to figure out sometimes if the person being talked about is a he transitioning into a she...or vice versa. I had to reread the first few paragraphs of an article on the wrestler a few times before I understood which way this person was 'going'.

Even though I someone find it important to understand the direction a trans is going....I did like the approach of a character on Showtime's 'Billions' this week: when introduced to someone, Taylor announced: "My pronouns are ‘they, theirs, and them." 'They' refused to be labeled he or she....weird, but it definitely worked for that character
victor809 Offline
#89 Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2017, 3:35 PM EST
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I dunno... That pronoun thing starts to get really annoying when they make up their own.
I'm cool if someone tells me they want to be referred to as a he, a she, or a they. But when they start in with xim or zhe or whatever some of the more esoteric choices are i get irritated.
DrafterX Offline
#90 Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2017, 3:49 PM EST
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how often do you meet these peoples..?? Huh


I've never met one... Not talking
Speyside Offline
#91 Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2017, 8:29 PM EST
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From what I have read between .3% and .6% of the population of the United States is transgender. Though I question the methodology. It seemed more of a polling than a scientific study.
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#92 Posted: Tue, Feb 28 2017, 8:32 PM EST
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Which is why either side making it a big deal is nothing but a distraction
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