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teedubbya Offline
#1 Posted:
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I don't know what they are going to report on donaldcare but the republicans sure must the amount they are trying to discredit them before it comes out.

Maybe they know the truth? Why else would they discredit them beforehand?

And as for how they are discrediting them they have their thumb on the other side of the chart lol. OMB was off on the mix not the total. But that really doesn't matter.

By the way bammy care is horrible. I didn't think it could get worse until now. Bammy care was debated in congress for nearly a year, voted on then passed in the middle of the night through reconciliation with no one reading it.

At least the GOP isn't wasting all that time. They want to do the exact same thing in weeks not months.

This ain't right folks, I don't care what party you support. It's not a game and this one is going to hurt the bung hole of many in here if not all of us. Unless you are in to that sort of thing I'd suggest setting your party aside and really looking at this thing as a policy or law rather than party chip. Maybe I'm too deep in it but I don't like much of what I see.

I think rand Paul is right on a few things here but don't trust him to stick to his guns or gain support from his peers.



victor809 Offline
#2 Posted:
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See... I'm the opposite. I fully support this trumpcare abomination. It'll be hilarious.

...sure some people will not be able to afford care... sure some states with Medicare will have to put death panels in place (hey! Remember those?) because of the capped funding...

But this will help make the next 7 years hilarious...
teedubbya Offline
#3 Posted:
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Looks like the report may be coming out as we speak. It will be interesting. They aren't always spot on but usually are a pretty good basis from which to start the discussion despite what the don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain dude says.

Certainly less will be covered. That's obvious without OMB. I'm wondering how much coin is saved.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#4 Posted:
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ya, but obama...
teedubbya Offline
#5 Posted:
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Lol

Obammy care is a pig with lipstick. Donaldcare is the other end same lipstick

dstieger Offline
#6 Posted:
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I'm with Victor on this one. I think I'm insulated from worst scenarios...at least for a while....I fully intend to be amused.

I think every single individual who yelled for "REPEAL OBAMACARE" for the past 6 or 7 years should be the first to lose their current coverage and scramble to replace it. Also, every single politician who pledged repeal and was at least partially responsible for whipping the sheeple into a repeal frenzy without once suggesting a replacement should be made to be without any health insurance for the next 24 months....and their families, too. It'd be sad as hell if it wasn't so funny.....6+ years of bitching without a single one of them offering a suitable (or palatable to anyone) alternaitve
teedubbya Offline
#7 Posted:
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It's not on their site yet (OMB) but if the "breaking" news reports (like don the con I put it in quotes so later I could say I'm just kidding and stuff) are correct I think it's good news for the GOP

14 million lose coverage this year but 337 billion saved over 10 years. That's a decent amount of coin and damn those 14 million peeps are expensive (I know that's just this year so you would need to extrapolate)

Imma wait to get the report myself but on the surface this seems in line with what the GOP wants discounting Trump saying no one would lose coverage and stuff. He was just joking.

Joking aside I don't see this as as bad as the GOP thought and should be liveable to them.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#8 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Lol

Obammy care is a pig with lipstick. Donaldcare is the other end same lipstick



and that's how you get herpes...
teedubbya Offline
#9 Posted:
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Well it sure looked purdy
opelmanta1900 Offline
#10 Posted:
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you can do it, just gotta use seperate sticks and label em... "face" and "butt"...
burnem2 Offline
#11 Posted:
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Well, that sounds better than I expected. Sorry for you numbnuts wanting it to fail for comedy relief. Guess you'll have to find something else to entertain you for the next 6-7 years.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#12 Posted:
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liar
Speyside Offline
#13 Posted:
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I wonder if this even comes up to vote. Republicans seem to be backing away from this in a hurry.
tailgater Offline
#14 Posted:
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Obamacare was so bad that it needed to be repealed.
Now this seems worse.
But it would never have been necessary if not for the Obamacare debacle.


Think of it this way:
You have a laceration in your thigh.
It isn't going away simply by washing it daily.
So Obamacare comes along and you get a salve.
But the salve causes festering and burning and numbness and you're now going to die from infection.
So the GOP comes to the rescue by amputating your leg.

Just be thankful if they choose the right one.



delta1 Offline
#15 Posted:
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It was more like:

The laceration in the thigh was bleeding profusely,
direct pressure/ACA/Obamacare was applied...
somewhat effective in most cases, but bleeding was too severe,
someone kept slapping the person applying pressure
bleeding continued
rich people complained about the cost of the bandages
bandage producer started to increase the price of the bandages
the bleeder was poor
So the GOP comes to the rescue by letting the bleeder bleed out
opelmanta1900 Offline
#16 Posted:
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^I hate the "rich people complained" argument... I'm nowhere near rich and I think it's deplorable for any government to force any citizen to buy anything... period...
victor809 Offline
#17 Posted:
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... come on opel... that's a bit broad.
The govt forces us to buy roads we may not use, schools we may not have children to attend... I didn't hear you whine about these things.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#18 Posted:
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No, no they do not... they tax your income which is significantly different...

And i do use roads and I've used schools, and so have you... people from Alabama (rip jet) probably never have... but that's sherman's fault...
victor809 Offline
#19 Posted:
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Taxing vs "forcing to buy" is mainly a difference in semantics. The only significant difference is that taxing can't force someone who doesn't earn or own anything to buy in...

When you own a home in a city you are forced to pay a percentage of the costs for keeping the school system running (this is putatively passed on to renters as well so you can include them in this). You are essentially purchasing a public school education... whether you have a child or not. Think of it like that gym membership you bought but never cancelled ... but also stopped going after Jan 07.... Those funds are being used by other people who go to the gym daily ... (cleaning...staffing...upkeep). Would like to stop owning that gym membership... but the govt makes you.

Not a big deal... I like schools and roads. My point was simply that opel was painting with a very broad brush when he was against anything the govt makes you buy.
victor809 Offline
#20 Posted:
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Opel = you...
For some reason I thought someone else posted that.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#21 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Taxing vs "forcing to buy" is mainly a difference in semantics. The only significant difference is that taxing can't force someone who doesn't earn or own anything to buy in...


That "only difference" is nothing close to "basically semantics"...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#22 Posted:
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And in your comparison, obamacare is like putting a toll booth on a road and then finding all the people who didn't pay that toll because they didn't use that road and kicking their door in and robbing them...
victor809 Offline
#23 Posted:
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No... you can avoid a road and not pay. Obamacare makes everyone pay.

Tell me.. are you against state mandated liability insurance for motorists?
delta1 Offline
#24 Posted:
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We are forced to buy a lot of stuff...aircraft carriers, fighter jets, armored/assault vehicles, military bases all over the world, which we don't get direct benefit from, and at home: seat belts, air bags, motorcycle helmets, auto insurance, driver's licences...arguably these things cost us all a "little" so we don't pay a greater social cost...

...and if you look at the review of AHCA, the primary beneficiaries are those in the $250K + income group, along with the outrageously wealthy healthcare companies...so yeah, you (opelman) may hate that they complained but...seems GOP does their bidding all the time, ignoring the poor old people who elected them... but who, for some reason, those poor old people keep voting for them...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#25 Posted:
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I don't believe for a second that either of you doesn't understand the difference between taxes that are levied against all of our incomes vs. penalties levied against individuals refusing to buy a service the government orders them to buy...
victor809 Offline
#26 Posted:
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... I agree there is a difference. But from a practical standpoint why is one ok with you and the other isnt?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#27 Posted:
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if you don't want to pay taxes, then you don't work... I think it's crazy but there are people who take that route...

but if you don't want to use health care, the government will literally come and take money from you and if you don't have money, jail...

that's why...
victor809 Offline
#28 Posted:
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... I agree that's a difference.
However, if I were to list things that bothered me in life, the rights of individuals who choose not to work simply because they don't want to pay taxes but still want to have use of schools and roads and military are pretty low.
You are essentially against the ACA as a forces purchase because of welfare queens....
opelmanta1900 Offline
#29 Posted:
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you misinterperated who I was talking about when I mentioned those who didn't want to pay taxes and so didn't work... I was talking about sustenance hunters and the like...

welfare queens don't work cuz they're lazy... has nothing to do with protesting taxation...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#30 Posted:
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and obamacare makes sustenance living all but illegal... unless you barter your goods for money to pay your obama penalty...
victor809 Offline
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Sustenance hunters still benefit from other people's taxes. They are living off land in the USA which is not being invaded by Canada or Mexico because of the strength of the US army. And that's at minimum. Let's not discuss the benefits they get from the roads or other infrastructure. None of which they pay into because they aren't working.

They are welfare queens just as much as any other.
victor809 Offline
#32 Posted:
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And let's not discuss what a mighty sustenance hunter may do if they get sick and need medical care. If they are willing to stick to their principals they'll die out in the wilderness... but how often do you think that happens? More likely they will go to the emergency room like all other welfare queens and drive up medical costs for those of us who pay.
delta1 Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
if you don't want to pay taxes, then you don't work... I think it's crazy but there are people who take that route...

but if you don't want to use health care, the government will literally come and take money from you and if you don't have money, jail...

that's why...



More myths about Obamacare...

Jail was never part of the penalty.

Moreover, exemptions from the mandate reduced the number of people who would be subject to financial penalties for failing to have healthcare to only a few million, mostly middle class, people who made between $55K and $115K. The plan required the IRS to include healthcare coverage info on the annual individual tax collection. The IRS reported that 5.6 million people paid a penalty for not having healthcare in 2015, as reported in their tax filings in 2016. They paid an avg $442, which in almost all cases was less than their refund.

https://www.healthinsurance.org/faqs/ive-heard-that-the-government-wont-really-be-able-to-enforce-the-penalty-for-not-having-health-insurance-is-this-true/

frankj1 Offline
#34 Posted:
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are you three going out on a boat soon?


heh heh
opelmanta1900 Offline
#35 Posted:
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...and only one came back....
opelmanta1900 Offline
#36 Posted:
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in all seriousness, I sure hope we don't talk any politics cuz without 5-15 minute breaks for me to google what the heck everyone is talking about, I can't hold my own... I don't follow politics... at all... I never even voted before this last election...
frankj1 Offline
#37 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
in all seriousness, I sure hope we don't talk any politics cuz without 5-15 minute breaks for me to google what the heck everyone is talking about, I can't hold my own... I don't follow politics... at all... I never even voted before this last election...

so great!
jjanecka Offline
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WTF... this thread isn't about Oliva Master Blends? Sooooo dissapointed...
victor809 Offline
#39 Posted:
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WTF? This thread isn't about One Massive Ball! So sad.
jjanecka Offline
#40 Posted:
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Yeah all I know is all y'all be actin all governmental and chit and I was just hoping there was a fire sale.

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