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teedubbya Offline
#51 Posted: Wed, Jun 14 2017, 10:10 AM EST
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Actually we have. We've even had some laws etc.
DrafterX Offline
#52 Posted: Wed, Jun 14 2017, 11:00 AM EST
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well ya... there was thing back in 65' I guess... Is that what you're referring to..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#53 Posted: Wed, Jun 14 2017, 11:45 AM EST
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65, 66, whatever it takes
frankj1 Offline
#54 Posted: Wed, Jun 14 2017, 12:29 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Sorry Frankie... I may have left the Northeast, but the smart-ass runs down to the core at this point.

never complain, never explain...or something like that.

Nelson Rockefeller.
teedubbya Offline
#55 Posted: Wed, Jun 14 2017, 12:40 PM EST
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I think you meant "Never Show Weakness" - Gen. Custer
teedubbya Offline
#56 Posted: Wed, Jun 14 2017, 12:41 PM EST
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Or "don't let your meat loaf" - Meatloaf
DrafterX Offline
#57 Posted: Wed, Jun 14 2017, 12:55 PM EST
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Axl wrote those man... Not talking
MACS Offline
#58 Posted: Wed, Jun 14 2017, 3:03 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Axl wrote those man... Not talking


Naw... it was some old, obscure blues band... and Led Zeppelin ripped 'em off.
jjanecka Offline
#59 Posted: Wed, Jun 14 2017, 3:07 PM EST
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I voted for Trump to make the big decisions so that I wouldn't have to.
MACS Offline
#60 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 11:00 AM EST
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/19/noncitizen-illegal-vote-number-higher-than-estimat/
victor809 Offline
#61 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 11:51 AM EST
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Dumb people using bad data

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379415001420
DrafterX Offline
#62 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 11:53 AM EST
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OhMyGod
DrafterX Offline
#63 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 11:57 AM EST
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Poor Macs... Sad
opelmanta1900 Offline
#64 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 12:28 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Dumb people using bad data

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379415001420

since I've actually personally witnessed an illegal immigrant voting, you can be assured this study is bullsh*t...
DrafterX Offline
#65 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 12:29 PM EST
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was he eating a Big Mac..?? Huh
victor809 Offline
#66 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 12:30 PM EST
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... because you saw one, a study saying 5 to 7 million did must be true?

Yeah.... ok
DrafterX Offline
#67 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 12:32 PM EST
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I saw one too... Mellow
opelmanta1900 Offline
#68 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 12:33 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
... because you saw one, a study saying 5 to 7 million did must be true?

Yeah.... ok

I have no idea what you're talking about... you posted a link to a study that said "the number of illegal immigrants voting was likely zero"... I was pointing out that that's an outright lie...
victor809 Offline
#69 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 12:48 PM EST
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The article MACS posted referenced a study in 2010 or 2012 which identified self reported illegal immigrants self reporting that they voted. This was extrapolated to 5 to 7 million (I actually have no problem with the extrapolation, that's what statistics does).

The article I posted went back and checked those initial self reported voting illegal immigrants and found no evidence that any of them actually voted. It appears the self reporting was incorrect. So statistically, the number of illegal immigrants voting is zero. That is not the same as a true zero, it just means that within the margin if error; there were zero. That puts the real number (which will never be known) significantly closer to zero than "5 to 7 million"
opelmanta1900 Offline
#70 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 12:51 PM EST
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So you're calling illegal immigrants liars? Racist!
opelmanta1900 Offline
#71 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 12:53 PM EST
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I really didn't realize the study you posted was related to the one macs posted... i just opened the link, saw the statement about zero illegals voting, didn't bother reading on since i know that isnt true... but 5 to 7 million seems crazy high... not out of the realm of possibility though I suppose.... 5 to 7 million is like less than one percent of how many Mexicans there are...
Speyside Offline
#72 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 12:53 PM EST
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People, wake up. As stated above statistical zero does not mean actual zero. If you call BS at least understand the math used.
victor809 Offline
#73 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 1:15 PM EST
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That's why I said bad data opel....

Someone went back and checked the voting rolls for the people who claimed to have voted and didn't find any evidence they actually did. That puts the data in real question... but it doesn't seem to stop some people from using it and posting more stats based on it.

But mention climate change and they suddenly are very interested in whether the underlying data is reliable.
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#74 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 1:44 PM EST
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Dammit... wrong link.
The one I posted showed the statistical issue with it and essentially turned the number to zero because of that (interesting read... deals with how large categories impact associated smaller categories). Let me find the other one
victor809 Offline
#75 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 1:58 PM EST
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http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/donald-trump-illegal-votes-evidence-debunked-214487

Shaffener found 1 of the 85 had voted. 1..
And given the statistics behind the study this individual is likely a citizen.
tailgater Offline
#76 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 1:59 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
People, wake up. As stated above statistical zero does not mean actual zero. If you call BS at least understand the math used.


So if "Zero" crazed terrorists want to kill you, that's OK?
victor809 Offline
#77 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 2:01 PM EST
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Tail doesn't understand statistics...

I should have guessed.
delta1 Offline
#78 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 2:05 PM EST
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why would a crazed terrorist want to kill Speyside? He seems like a reasonable guy...
DrafterX Offline
#79 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 2:14 PM EST
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I heard he said somethin about their mommas.... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#80 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 2:23 PM EST
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if he did...it was prolly true...
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#81 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 2:45 PM EST
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Of course accurate data doesn't matter. The same idiots will keep dredging up that data and re-polishing it and claiming millions of illegals voted... the idiot president will keep tweeting about it and our nation will get dumber and less significant on the world stage.

At this point the best long term outcome we should expect for our country is to be nuked by North korea.
burnem2 Offline
#82 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 2:48 PM EST
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Then we wouldn't get to hear you whining any longer???
DrafterX Offline
#83 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 2:49 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:

At this point the best long term outcome we should expect for our country is to be nuked by North korea.



Do we get to vote on that..?? Huh
victor809 Offline
#84 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 3:45 PM EST
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You do get to vote.

But if you vote that it's preferable for the country to trundle onward with an increasing lack of understanding of data and such a shallow view of facts that studies regurgitating disproven data can impact your view of the world, then your vote is thrown out.
DrafterX Offline
#85 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 3:48 PM EST
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so, we have to pass a test to vote now..?? Huh
DrafterX Offline
#86 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 3:50 PM EST
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speaking of which....

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_vault/2013/06/28/voting_rights_and_the_supreme_court_the_impossible_literacy_test_louisiana.html


Think Think
MACS Offline
#87 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 4:30 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Poor Macs... Sad


Why poor me? I'm too blessed to be stressed, brotherman.
tailgater Offline
#88 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 6:07 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Tail doesn't understand statistics...

I should have guessed.


Reading sarcasm was never your strong suit.

You were gone for a bit, Vic.
Upon your return, you're as caustic as ever, but your humor has dwindled. As in "you don't have any".

Everything OK?
delta1 Offline
#89 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 6:24 PM EST
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There is still a significant percentage, bigly larger than a statistical zero, of Americans who believe that Obama is a muslim foreigner; Hillary sold high grade uranium to the Russians; Hillary gave classified info to the bad guys; and the pizzagate child sex-ring operated by the Clinton campaign are all true...

...and that the Trump University is a legitimate institution of higher learning; and that the Trump Foundation advances many charitable organizations that do great work for huge numbers of disadvantaged people...
victor809 Offline
#90 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 6:37 PM EST
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Trust me tail... if the US were to get nuked by North Korea I would laugh and laugh at the beautiful symmetry of it for however many seconds I live. My sense of humor isn't gone, you just aren't funny.
jjanecka Offline
#91 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 8:33 PM EST
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Yeah, Victor's right! The only fatman that's gonna gas this place to death is the one that had too much all-you-can-eat bean dip at the Tex-Mex restaurant.
victor809 Offline
#92 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 9:57 PM EST
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... I think he posts here.
frankj1 Offline
#93 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 10:15 PM EST
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Poor X...
Speyside Offline
#94 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 11:34 PM EST
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Tail is very funny, just not humorous.
Speyside Offline
#95 Posted: Wed, Jun 21 2017, 11:41 PM EST
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Victor, statistically speaking there should be a zero percent chance North Korea could hit the USA with a nuke, yes? This would only be factoring in observable tests and launches. Then you could also factor in the probability that we can hack their launches. But shouldn't there be an uncertainty factor that it may be theoretically possible that they could hit us. Just a thought.
DrafterX Offline
#96 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 7:13 AM EST
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Several US Military bases in range tho... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#97 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 7:46 AM EST
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True, and we have no idea what crazy fat boy will do.
tailgater Offline
#98 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 3:49 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Trust me tail... if the US were to get nuked by North Korea I would laugh and laugh at the beautiful symmetry of it for however many seconds I live. My sense of humor isn't gone, you just aren't funny.


Oh woe is me.
Trump is president so I think it would be funny if america were nuked.
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#99 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 7:25 PM EST
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Trump is a symptom of a much larger issue. His election and the ongoing support he receives from people who jump with glee at every dumb thing he does suggests the nation is not going to get better. He will be elected for a second term. He has already lowered the bar. Our next president (d or r) will need to match his level of reality tv idiocity to get the votes necessary to win.

As we continue to elect even bigger idiots (I know it's hard to imagine a bigger idiot than Trump... but we thought the same thing about GWB) we will continue to lose any respect from 1st world nations. We are already showing the world that our nation isn't the leader in a number of things any longer ... other than being the leader in "me first" they recognize it and have made statements regarding that.

Meanwhile idiots continue to gleefully harp on Obama or Clinton thinking pointing out faults of the past presidents or candidates (imagined or real) has any impact on the multiple fronts our nation is currently failing at.

And all this because people thought an idiot swindler was going to give them the 1950s jobs back that don't even exist and kick all the brownish people out who they're sure took their nonexistent jobs. He's accomplished none of those lies, all he does is tweet a claim to success, which then gets rolled back 2 weeks later. But no one has the attention span to notice. And psychology being what it is, pointing out that they made a bad decision only tends to entrench people further in their decision (just me pointing this out probably makes you want to fellate Trump even more than when you started reading it).

So no. I'm not filled with a lot of hope for the future success of our country. That's fine. He's doing great things for me. I heard today that the Republican plan is going to let the pharma companies really screw people over on pricing... that's good for my paycheck. I don't particularly care about anyone who might need to buy the drugs. I don't have kids so the country will serve me just fine for the short term that it matters.

But wow has this past 100 days been a real eye opener on where I really need to set my level of expectation for people. I knew that there were a lot of scared and/or easily manipulated people out there ... but I underestimated things a lot.
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#100 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 6:58 AM EST
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Good Lord... Our only option was Hillary.. Not talking
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