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Who is lying, Trump or Comey?
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Speyside Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, May 16 2017, 8:54 PM EST
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?
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, May 16 2017, 9:07 PM EST
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Ask Mr Jones
tonygraz Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, May 16 2017, 9:43 PM EST
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I don't trust Comey, but I assume anything Trump says is a lie until proven otherwise.
qmech Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, May 16 2017, 10:24 PM EST
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Rock meet hard place!!!😁😁😁
Q
ZRX1200 Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, May 16 2017, 10:55 PM EST
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It's not Comey, it's an aide citing a memo.....


Jesus
Speyside Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, May 16 2017, 11:06 PM EST
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Comey wrote the memo.
ZRX1200 Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, May 17 2017, 12:54 AM EST
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Still being cited by an aide......not Comey
DrafterX Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, May 17 2017, 7:02 AM EST
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apparently charges against Flynn had already been dropped at the time of the meeting.. by 'hoping' Comey could forget about it, or whatever words were used, obviously didn't mean drop the case.... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, May 17 2017, 7:49 AM EST
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Drafter, IF true, this is obstruction of justice. But, the IF is large to me. Comey's memo could easily be false, but it could just as easily be true. What I do not want to see is a witch hunt, but I imagine that is exactly what we will see. There seems to be no way to prove or disprove the validity of the memo.
DrafterX Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, May 17 2017, 7:59 AM EST
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other than the fact Flynn's charges had already been dropped..... to me Trump was just saying don't hold any ill feelings towards him... the case was closed.... and I know it's just speculation on my part.. Mellow
Speyside Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, May 17 2017, 8:38 AM EST
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I don't think Flynn has been formally charged Drafter. I think it is an ongoing investigation.
dstieger Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, May 17 2017, 8:50 AM EST
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Define 'lying'. I'm seriously being facetiously serious. Everyone involved has a keenly refined sense of use of language. Trump is as good at it as any politician ever. You will likely never pin a lie on him because he can ALWAYS offer alternative interpretations of anything he has ever said.
bgz Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, May 17 2017, 9:45 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
I don't trust Comey, but I assume anything TrumpAny Politician says is a lie until proven otherwise.


FIFY
DrafterX Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, May 17 2017, 9:55 AM EST
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Ok, the meeting took place the day after Flynn resigned..... I guess there is an investigation but it's not related to Trump and da Russians... had to look it up.. Mellow
Mr. Jones Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, May 17 2017, 10:01 PM EST
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Everybody...

Including TRUMP.....

IS MISSING "THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM"....

**** "obstruction of justice" , **** secrets to russia, **** collusion in election with RUSSIA...
they are all MAJOR but... Many bodies will grab the
Headlines ...REAL FAST..

COMEY directed the FBI-SSG DIVSION FOR OVER 2+ years....
Many FIRST DEGREE CALCULATED MURDERS
WERE COMMITTED BY THE SSG DIVISION during his tenure and direction.

IPSO FACTO CONNECTION CAN EASILY BE PROVEN.

THEN COMEY & PAPA F.E.M.- GARY O'CONNOR-SSG
DIVISION MORON LOSER
GO TO JAIL...FOR "Longgg timeeee"...
PLUS dozens if not hundreds more.

Then TRUMPS BIGGEST problem is slam dunk
S.O.L.V.E.D.
delta1 Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, May 17 2017, 10:30 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Ok, the meeting took place the day after Flynn resigned..... I guess there is an investigation but it's not related to Trump and da Russians... had to look it up.. Mellow



hmmmmm...that's progress...keep that up (looking stuff up) and you may be a libtard someday...


j/k ThumpUp
Buckwheat Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 7:17 AM EST
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Scratch a lie, find a thief! fog
gummy jones Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 7:29 AM EST
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comey is a sleeze bag
trump needs to tone his bravado way down

if you assume they all lie you are usually not wrong
TMCTLT Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 7:42 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
hmmmmm...that's progress...keep that up (looking stuff up) and you may be a libtard someday...


j/k ThumpUp






Oh brother....d'oh! seems to be in order here lol
Speyside Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 9:56 AM EST
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This is how bad politics has became in the USA. 8 years of Obama, all gridlock and nothing much positive accomplished. 4 or 8 years of Trump, and nothing much will be accomplished, exept more gridlock. It will not happen, but every politician in office should be voted out, and this should continue until the government becomes for the people.
TMCTLT Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 10:05 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
This is how bad politics has became in the USA. 8 years of Obama, all gridlock and nothing much positive accomplished. 4 or 8 years of Trump, and nothing much will be accomplished, exept more gridlock. It will not happen, but every politician in office should be voted out, and this should continue until the government becomes for the people.



I'm not sure how one can make this forecast 6 months in but okay Think
DrafterX Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 10:06 AM EST
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Obama said Trump is a Bullchitter.... so we can't expect much... Mellow
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#23 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 10:17 AM EST
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I agree with #20
tonygraz Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 11:41 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Obama said Trump is a Bullchitter.... so we can't expect much... Mellow


He got that one right.
DrafterX Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 11:55 AM EST
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He was prolly summitting with da beers for too long... Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 11:59 AM EST
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https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4670144/fbi-director-comey-denies-trump-admin-obstruction-investigations
Speyside Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 12:01 PM EST
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Paul, I know that's a large assertion, but do you think the gridlock has any chance of changing?
DrafterX Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 12:43 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4670144/fbi-director-comey-denies-trump-admin-obstruction-investigations



yep.. he was under oath at the time also.... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 2:20 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Paul, I know that's a large assertion, but do you think the gridlock has any chance of changing?

even with the senate, the house, and the white house all the same party?
any continuing gridlock will be the result of instability at the top...
ZRX1200 Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 2:37 PM EST
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^ I think you're ignoring the establishment.

How is it there's CONSTANT leaks? Chance?
DrafterX Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 2:59 PM EST
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Damn leakers..!! Mad
DrafterX Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 3:05 PM EST
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It is interesting how the Pelosi worshipers praise the FBI and CIA when they leak stuff about Trump but had poor ole Seth whacked when he leaked stuff about Hillary.... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 3:10 PM EST
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Leaks are bad but sometimes they're needed when the potential harm is worse without them...see Watergate...
dstieger Offline
#34 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 3:12 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:

How is it there's CONSTANT leaks? Chance?


That's gotta be pissing him off more than MSNBC...Why DID we know what he told the Russian statesmen.....like 20 minutes after the meeting...?
frankj1 Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 3:41 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
^ I think you're ignoring the establishment.

How is it there's CONSTANT leaks? Chance?

perhaps The Leaker-in-Chief?

probably should kill the messenger
DrafterX Offline
#36 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 3:54 PM EST
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a whacking is in order.... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#37 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 4:07 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
a whacking is in order.... Mellow

I'm in!
DrafterX Offline
#38 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 4:19 PM EST
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Cool..!! all we need now is a big whacker and somebody to use it on... Think
frankj1 Offline
#39 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 4:42 PM EST
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hmmm...
ZRX1200 Offline
#40 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 6:11 PM EST
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Dave, this should SERIOUSLY bother people from both sides. I wouldn't have wanted this level of leaking under Obama...... I did support the leaking of some things under his watch, but these are PURELY political in outcome. We cannot have this.
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#41 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 6:37 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
yep.. he was under oath at the time also.... Mellow



Trump is clean. So, either Comey is a liar and going to prison or this all goes away.
Speyside Offline
#42 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 7:14 PM EST
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Frank, I still see gridlock, given all of the Republican factions. I agree with Z that the worst part of this is the leaks. How to stop the leaking is beyond me.
tonygraz Offline
#43 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 7:19 PM EST
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Stop drinking or get stones.
frankj1 Offline
#44 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 7:22 PM EST
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so chaotic that even owning all 3 houses can't get it done! Wow.

Leaks can be intentional, and that can play games with the public as well.

we all need to decide if any given leak is bigger than the info that came to light.
ZRX1200 Offline
#45 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 8:26 PM EST
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^ if it were 2 or 3 leaks maybe.......this schit is bananas.
ZRX1200 Offline
#46 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 8:28 PM EST
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The leaks about the so called phone calls to foreign dignitaries which ended up being false.....nobody seems to care once these have been proven false. THAT'S why I will not bite the establishment hook some seem so eager to slurp up.
frankj1 Offline
#47 Posted: Thu, May 18 2017, 9:17 PM EST
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but there is soooo much real smoke, Jamie. Birther crap is on year 9 with less fanning of the flames but is clung to like a life raft tossed into a raging river.

I still don't think the election is the real reason for the investigation. Political leanings aside, the endless connections go on and on...it should make even the most ardent supporters among us at least wonder about things we'd normally shrug over...like tax returns??? And that's entry level trouble.

Real connections exist and should be debunked if only to reestablish stability. I don't have to like the policies of any President, but I want to know he/she isn't indebted.
DrafterX Offline
#48 Posted: Fri, May 19 2017, 7:25 AM EST
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Wasn't the leaking itself more important than the content when Hillary was being leaked..?? Think
frankj1 Offline
#49 Posted: Fri, May 19 2017, 7:41 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Wasn't the leaking itself more important than the content when Hillary was being leaked..?? Think

my first concerns were if our national security had been jeopardized...and my last concerns were what party she belonged to...which is improper grammar
DrafterX Offline
#50 Posted: Fri, May 19 2017, 7:45 AM EST
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but back then all the leaks were lies too... Mellow
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