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Speyside Offline
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By MATT APUZZO, MAGGIE HABERMAN and MATTHEW ROSENBERG

MAY 19, 2017

WASHINGTON — President Trump told Russian officials in the Oval Office this month that firing the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, had relieved “great pressure” on him, according to a document summarizing the meeting.

“I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Mr. Trump said, according to the document, which was read to The New York Times by an American official. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”

Mr. Trump added, “I’m not under investigation.”

The conversation, during a May 10 meeting — the day after he fired Mr. Comey — reinforces the notion that the president dismissed him primarily because of the bureau’s investigation into possible collusion between Mr. Trump’s campaign and Russian operatives. Mr. Trump said as much in one televised interview, but the White House has offered changing justifications for the firing.

The comments represented an extraordinary moment in the investigation, which centers in part on the administration’s contacts with Russian officials: A day after firing the man leading that inquiry, Mr. Trump disparaged him — to Russian officials.
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If the President is lucky, the leaker will be the same person fingered in the campaign Russian connection....he can fire him and kill two huge birds with one stone
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According to a document.....


Read to the NYTimes........


No names....same BULLSCHIT different day. I cannot believe people are falling for this daily.
frankj1 Offline
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there is sooo much there there

this is not good, and believe me that real American Libs are not rejoicing
tonygraz Offline
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If trump says he's not under investigation one more time, 4 more wingnuts will believe him.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Careful Trolly.....there's a Russian under you sink.
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One thing I am curious about is how this could have been leaked. It was my understanding that only the president and the Russians were present for this meeting.
tonygraz Offline
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But Z will tell you the Russians were not involved if we can get him away from searching his plumbing.
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https://youtu.be/dyiykL0BYBI
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ZRX1200 wrote:
https://youtu.be/dyiykL0BYBI


Exactly! Just ignore the wacky pitch at the end.

Quote:
Former FBI assistant director, James Kallstrom, total destroys James Comey and the rest of the FBI in this shocking interview. Kallston talks about how James Comey intentionally allowed the terrorist organization Muslim brotherhood to infiltrate the white house the rest of the US
Mr. Jones Offline
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#1 Speyside ur OP

Trump REALLY GOT ONE THING RIGHT...😁

"I just fired the head of the FBI....he was crazy...a REAL NUT JOB"

THATS THE BIGGEST UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE DECADE....

HE FORGOT TO ADD...

JAMES COMEY IS A COLD AND CALCULATED FIRST DEGREE MURDERER...
OVERSEEING THE SSG DIVISION OF THE FBI...
James Comey has GREENLIGHTED dozens...if not hundreds of sanctioned first degree calculated and minutely planned murders over the last 2+ years since his appointment in 2014....

The funniest thing of all...
ROBERT MULLER OVERSAW THE SSG FOR 12 *****ING YEARS...
HE HAS MURDERED MORE PEOPLE THAN COMEY EVER DID...

YET..."MULLER IS SUCH AN HONORABLE AND RESPECTIBLE MAN??"

PHHHHUUUUQQQQ, THAT IS TOTAL HORSE SHIIT...

ITS NOW THE SLY SMART TEFLON F.O.X. COVERING FOR "MR.2 YEAR OLD DOUCHEBAG FLUNKY"...

THE U.S. IS IN SERIOUS TROUBLE...

WHERE'S LOUIs J FrEEh wHEn yOU nEEd him....
(And yes that is a code to Louie, if you have any balls Louie...you'll make those two
Weasel pricks honor lifelong handshakes from my uncle biLL , The gAtEkeePeR, and BeNder...U ****)

OR THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY, MAKE NO DOUBTS ABOUT IT.

DISRUPTED WEDDING RECEPTIONS...CAN GO 10,000 FOLD...REAL QUICK, NOT A THREAT, JUST REALITY
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A double prefix minus PI times a quantum variable from march 1983 week 3 numbers shortwave book...with a mirror , minus varying digits you gotta already know...if not well,

T.O.U.G.H. R.O.C.K.O.'s ...string bean slimbuddy...
DrafterX Offline
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Ya..!! Mad
tailgater Offline
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Trump
Russia
Comey


Say it enough times.
It will be true.


frankj1 Offline
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I hope there are no trials, no impeachment either. But pretending the media made this up is wishful thinking.
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The media is just reporting made up leaks. .. they are leaker enablers... Mellow
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The Prez may well be the greatest media manipulator in history (at least tied with the kardashians) so when he cries like a baby about unfair fake stuff, it is more manipulation. I suspect that he is the yuuugest leaker of all, trying to set up trails that lead nowhere etc. But there are so many non leak direct quotes and stuff piling up that, like Watergate, it could be two years to sort through.

But the foreign connections are absolutely real, we should be proud a free press reported these facts. It's a case of if they led to influence or those that had them just happened to be stupid and not reported the facts...which has definitely happened on the record and unnecessarily raises red flags.

If a cover up is happening, or has happened, those red flags will be flashing wildly.

Let's let the system work before we hang anyone or denounce the media in blind support. It's what we all claim makes us the best nation evah, now we get to prove it.
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I agree... but if Hillary had been elected, she lost, we could say the same about her ties... they were very real... Mellow
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Although I really doubt it would be an issue. .. Mellow
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frankj1 wrote:
The Prez may well be the greatest media manipulator in history (at least tied with the kardashians) so when he cries like a baby about unfair fake stuff, it is more manipulation. I suspect that he is the yuuugest leaker of all, trying to set up trails that lead nowhere etc. But there are so many non leak direct quotes and stuff piling up that, like Watergate, it could be two years to sort through.

But the foreign connections are absolutely real, we should be proud a free press reported these facts. It's a case of if they led to influence or those that had them just happened to be stupid and not reported the facts...which has definitely happened on the record and unnecessarily raises red flags.

If a cover up is happening, or has happened, those red flags will be flashing wildly.

Let's let the system work before we hang anyone or denounce the media in blind support. It's what we all claim makes us the best nation evah, now we get to prove it.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE

Published on Mar 27, 2012
On Monday while President Obama was taking part in a global nuclear security summit in South Korea, he was caught on tape asking for Russian President Dmitry Medvedev for "space." "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility," Obama implored. Obama assured the departing Russian President he will have the "flexibility" required to deal with missile defense issues after the 2012 presidential election.



Nobody gave 2 $hits about it then.
DrafterX Offline
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I met a Russian girl once... guess I can't be President now... Sad
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Trump, possible obstruction of justice, Obama talked to a Russian. Flynn, possible purjury, Obama talked to a Russian. Sessions, possible purjury, Obama talked to a Russian. Manifort, failure to register as a foreign agent, Obama talked to a Russian. Flynn, failure to register as a foreign agent, Obama spoke to a Russian. Kushner possible obstruction of justice, Obama spoke to a Russian. Clearly, Obama is the one mentioned above most likely to be culpable of a felony.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE

Published on Mar 27, 2012
On Monday while President Obama was taking part in a global nuclear security summit in South Korea, he was caught on tape asking for Russian President Dmitry Medvedev for "space." "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility," Obama implored. Obama assured the departing Russian President he will have the "flexibility" required to deal with missile defense issues after the 2012 presidential election.



Nobody gave 2 $hits about it then.

can't explain the lack of interest in that 5 year old issue...

fast forward to today, are you concerned at all that friends and family of at least one octopus corporation (of an as yet elected private business man) could have so many people on his payroll or on his election campaign or both, beholden to Russian/Putin money and influence?

This ain't media games. these are documented relationships.. and yet they may be proper.

Let me clarify just my beliefs and not the beliefs of libtard nation..I am not even talking about election rigging. I am simply talking about possibly being beholden to those that are not our friends who are trying to undermine our way of life.

Much appears improper, so let the investigation clear all this up, and for me at least, I hope no shenanigans are proven to be happening. We'd all be better off moving forward.

And I was disappointed in Obama's tenure, I did not vote for Hillary, and will not get cast in the role of defender. This is about the present for me, and Trump is the hub of this universe.
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frankj1 wrote:
I hope there are no trials, no impeachment either. But pretending the media made this up is wishful thinking.


I love how the media has reported on everything.
Well, except, naming a single source of these leaks.

there are hearings going on where these media-defined "sources" could easily go on the record with their information.
Instead they choose to funnel all their secrets through the NY Times, CNN and the Washington Post.


Think about it.
A whistle-blower would have virtual immunity because of the charades going on in DC right now. But instead they choose to remain an unnamed source.

Gullible.
It's in the dictionary alright. Complete with a picture of the American Left smiling pretty.

DrafterX Offline
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The leaks prolly came off an illegal server or somethin.... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
The leaks prolly came off an illegal server or somethin.... Mellow

you mean an undocumented server?
DrafterX Offline
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prolly one of them too.... Mellow
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sure glad the "fake news" media doesn't use the same standards that the "faux news" news agency used regarding the Seth Rich conspiracy story...they have ignored journalistic standards to push their agenda... finally pulled it several days after it was debunked...but I'm sure millions of Americans still believe the alt facts...

I doubt we'll see the Trump administration toppled...the GOP will likely control the House so impeachment is a non-starter.
Flawed as he is, Trump has a solid corps of supporters who will back him no matter what...just look at all that crazy stuff he has done and said...still about 40% solid support.

Given how the boss has behaved, I'm sure there is some there there...
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I've said this before, If Trump steps in it and has to go I'm cool with that.. 'He's not Hillary' was good enough for me.. But I'd like to see him get a fair shake.. Not cut off at the knees just because the DNC says he's bad... I'm truly amazed at how much hate and disrespect there is out there... I thought the Bush days were bad.... Obama had it easy... Mellow
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Robert Mueller is tasked with finding a crime that does not exist in the law. It is a legal impossibility.

As special counsel, Mueller can engage in all manner of spectacular jurisprudential gymnastics. However, it will not change the fact that colluding with Russia is not, under America’s criminal codes, a crime. It’s just not there.

Maybe it should be. Perhaps someday Congress will pass a law criminalizing such conduct in political campaigns. But for now, there is not a single statute outlawing collaboration with a foreign government in a U.S. presidential election. Or any election, for that matter.

Why, then, are so many people who are following the Trump-Russia saga under the mistaken impression that collusion is a crime? Principally, because it is a loaded word with an historic criminal connotation.

“Collusion” became a prominent part of the legal lexicon when Benjamin Harrison occupied the White House and Congress passed the Sherman Antitrust Act in 1890 outlawing collusion in some business practices. Specifically, price fixing and other anticompetitive activities became a criminal offense under Section 1 of the Act. Almost overnight, the word “collusion” was converted into a legal pejorative.

But collusion is only criminal in an antitrust setting. It has nothing whatsoever to do with elections. Yet that has not stopped politicians, pundits and journalists from either misunderstanding the concept and/or misconstruing its application to the Trump-Russia hysteria that has reached a deafening pitch.

Both the Department of Justice and the FBI seem equally oblivious.

Mueller’s Marching Orders

Under the law granting him legal authority (28 CFR 600), a special counsel is charged with investigating crimes. Only crimes. Nothing else. He has limited jurisdiction. Any other wrongdoing uncovered in the investigation which does not rise to the level of a criminal offense cannot even be made public by the special counsel. That is the law.

So what crime is Mueller instructed to investigate? Let take a look.

In his order appointing Mueller as special counsel (Order No. 3915-2017), Acting Attorney General Rod Rosenstein directed him to investigate “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump”.

But wait. If Mueller is supposed to look for evidence of a crime that is not, by legal definition, a crime…then isn’t the special counsel being asked to do something that is manifestly unattainable? Doesn’t the impossibility of his assignment render the exercise futile? The answer is yes.



Film at 11... Think
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When the enemy of our country acts in a way to disrupt our democratic process, that can be defined as an attack or act of war. If a citizen assists that enemy in this conduct of undermining our democracy, isn't that treason?

Regardless of what Russia intended, it is benefiting from a distracted and sputtering US federal govt. with a sympathetic Commander in Chief in charge...

Regardless of whether any person is charged criminally, shouldn't we know what Russia did so that we can prevent that from happening again?
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Why is everyone convinced it's the Russians anyways..?? Isn't it more likely that the leaks came from inside the DNC..?? Or is it impossible to phantom someone there actually had a conscience..?? Mellow
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Perjury is a felony.
Obstruction of justice can be a felony or misdemeanor.
Failure to register as a foreign agent a felony.
Interference in an election is a felony.

These are crimes the special posecutor could investigate.

This special prosecutor has the authority to investigate any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation. This is above and beyond the investigation of Russia' alleged interference in the 2016 presidential election.
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Hillary is guilty of three of those... will the SP look at her..?? Huh
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DrafterX wrote:
Hillary is guilty of three of those... will the SP look at her..?? Huh

she's not president
DrafterX Offline
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Has the statue of limitations for election fraud run out already...?? Huh
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I think the special prosecutor should look into Franklin Delano Roosevelt's time on Oak Island. There is defiantly something covered up there.
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everyone but trump gets a mention...absolutely no questions at all.
not expecting cries of "guilty" but was hoping one measly supporter would stand up and say "I would like to know what has been going on. I see enough smoke to warrant some clarity".

lock-stepping kool-aid drinkers, circle the wagons...HA!
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Orange kool-aid.
DrafterX Offline
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I'll wait for proof... I did with Hillary. .. Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
I'll wait for proof... I did with Hillary. .. Mellow

yup
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spent friday night with a close friend who "is an independent" [hes an obvious liberal who borders on a classic democrat but calling himself that provides his psyche with some sort of moral high ground, especially when the libs are extra crazy]

he presented me the "overwhelming" evidence that trump and putin rigged the election

after another few fingers of bourbon he agreed that most of it was hearsay and that the testimonies thus far had provided nothing solid

despite a good cigar and a little more bourbon he maintained that "it still really makes you wonder"

i guess that is why they set up a committee - enough people pounding the table and saying that despite the lack of evidence, it makes you wonder

i am sure russia had their trolls say bad stuff about hilary but then there was no shortage of trolls saying bad stuff about either candidate [the highest profile anti trump trolls are millionaire entertainers on major networks and donate money to the liberal coffers]

if trump actually colluded with russia to throw the election thats a different story

i will maintain innocent until proven guilty when such spectacular, far reaching claims are made without evidence and would hope that everyone would agree that in this country, that is the way it should be
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delta1 wrote:
When the enemy of our country acts in a way to disrupt our democratic process, that can be defined as an attack or act of war. If a citizen assists that enemy in this conduct of undermining our democracy, isn't that treason?

Regardless of what Russia intended, it is benefiting from a distracted and sputtering US federal govt. with a sympathetic Commander in Chief in charge...

Regardless of whether any person is charged criminally, shouldn't we know what Russia did so that we can prevent that from happening again?



Regardless of who know what (Trump, his staff, etc), what is it that Russia did?

I hear that so-and-so is "tied to Russia".
Or "had contact with Russians".

Over what?
Economic secrets?
Area 51?
That caviar is friggin fish eggs?

The liberal left is squirming in their seats because people whose job requirement includes dealing with foreign nations may have actually had contact with people from Russia.
I know that there is an implied evil twist here, but I haven't heard what it is.
The implication here is that simply contacting a Russian is somehow treasonous.

When adults debate we usually base the dialog on tangibles and facts or we at the very least provide context to the subject matter.
The media and her hoards of driveling lefties are doing nothing more than shaking trees and hoping the apple that falls out reveals what has to this point been entirely undefined.
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frankj1 wrote:
everyone but trump gets a mention...absolutely no questions at all.
not expecting cries of "guilty" but was hoping one measly supporter would stand up and say "I would like to know what has been going on. I see enough smoke to warrant some clarity".

lock-stepping kool-aid drinkers, circle the wagons...HA!


Mmmm.
Kool aid.


Speyside Offline
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Alegedly they tried to influence our presidential election. But you already knew that. Unfortunately it does not fit your agenda.
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tailgater wrote:
Mmmm.
Kool aid.



I know!
Shoulda served the hawaian punch stuff from Conan last week.
frankj1 Offline
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undisclosed actions employed by by foreign governments as foreign agents.
accepting income derived from foreign entities and failing to disclose...then even after it becomes known still gets appointed (albeit briefly) to a key national security position.

but wait, there's more...and I have still not related any concerns to a rigged election, more worried about policy influence.

and I will repeat, all may be cleared as harmless, but we need to know that the top office has cleared people making policy.

Why is that so threatening?
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He was fired right..?? Huh
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Should we hang him too..?? Huh
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frankj1 wrote:
undisclosed actions employed by by foreign governments as foreign agents.
accepting income derived from foreign entities and failing to disclose...then even after it becomes known still gets appointed (albeit briefly) to a key national security position.

but wait, there's more...and I have still not related any concerns to a rigged election, more worried about policy influence.

and I will repeat, all may be cleared as harmless, but we need to know that the top office has cleared people making policy.

Why is that so threatening?


its not threatening

its just funny that no one cared about the queen of the clinton money laundering foundation potentially being influenced by foreign powers - heck didnt even hear a peep

but now it is 24/7 and the world is ending
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