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Speyside Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 8:14 AM EST
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I imagine this is what the socialists will be saying today. I was listening to the news on the radio and they said president Trump plans to pull out of the Paris accords because they are bad for business.
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 8:19 AM EST
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Well, the Paris Climate thing is a big hoax and stuff.... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 10:47 AM EST
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Nothing wrong with clean air and renewable energy.

But there is a lot wrong with crippling regulations that do nothing but put money into the hands of goverments and have negligible effect on the climate.
ZRX1200 Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 10:47 AM EST
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Progress has a price.
bgz Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 10:52 AM EST
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It's almost to the point already where it alternative energy sources will be more cost effective than fossil based fuels.

No point in worrying about it, the economy itself will take care of it.

I'm all for common sense regulation (don't dump your sh1t in the drinking water, k thnx)... but too much is too much.
Buckwheat Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 10:58 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Nothing wrong with clean air and renewable energy.

But there is a lot wrong with crippling regulations that do nothing but put money into the hands of goverments and have negligible effect on the climate.


Okay, I'm game. Specifically which regulations are crippling which specific businesses?
DrafterX Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 11:10 AM EST
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the ones the EPA writes regarding oil & gas... Mellow
Buckwheat Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 11:19 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
the ones the EPA writes regarding oil & gas... Mellow


Really that's not specific in the least. The devil is in the details. ram27bat
DrafterX Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 11:32 AM EST
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The ones Obama signed... Mellow
gummy jones Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 11:35 AM EST
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correct me if im wrong but arent india and china, the largest perpetrators, exempt for 20 or so years anyways?

the whole thing, at least with what is proven/provable, is a massive money grab and redistribution plan
TMCTLT Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 11:37 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Okay, I'm game. Specifically which regulations are crippling which specific businesses?



Well...two can play that game.....which ones aren't? Sneaky
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 11:37 AM EST
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True. .true. . Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 11:41 AM EST
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If other countries are serious about reducing emissions they can hire private contractors and consultants... they don't need the US to do it for them.. Mellow
Speyside Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 11:47 AM EST
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As per usual the rest of the world wants us to foot much more than our fair share of the cost. The same problem we face with NATO.
TMCTLT Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 11:53 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
As per usual the rest of the world wants us to foot much more than our fair share of the cost. The same problem we face with NATO.



Yessir, been doing it for far too long. And in that vein I'm absolutely back our President in calling the other nations out over it.
Buckwheat Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 11:53 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Well...two can play that game.....which ones aren't? Sneaky


The regulation of gasoline that took out the Tetraethyllead.

I'll try to find some others tonight as I actually have a lot of work to do today.
DrafterX Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 12:36 PM EST
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shoulda been optional instead of a total ban.... I want leaded gas damnit..!! Mad
jjanecka Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 12:43 PM EST
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Considering the faulty data which the Paris agreement was based upon, I think it is in the best interest of Americans to not sign the agreement.
frankj1 Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 1:00 PM EST
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what is Tillerson's (formerly of EXXON) opinion?
DrafterX Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 1:05 PM EST
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I heard he was all for it... but he was prolly gonna get paid to do a bunch of conversions and fracking and stuff over there somewhere... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 3:14 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Okay, I'm game. Specifically which regulations are crippling which specific businesses?


It's long and involved. So I'll just point to this as an example:

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/economic-intelligence/2015/07/16/climate-change-policy-wont-change-global-temperatures

Talks US clean air policy, world agreements such as China, costs based on GDP, etc.

Real regulations based on real speculation.
Monetarily handled by the government.
Everything related to fossil fuels has grown almost exponentially in the past 20 years.
Price of gas is lower today so we forget. But when I moved into my house 20 years ago I paid under 80 cents for heating oil. A couple years ago it was almost $4.
Regulations.

Profits go up for the big fat oil cats. But their percentage profit is actually lower. It's just that the numbers have become Monopoly money comical.

And which business?
I'm in the plastics industry. 20 years ago we purchased polyethylene resin under $.40/lb.
It's now not uncommon to see it over $1.25/lb.

20 years isn't a long time. And even thought there is a lot of inflation that doesn't account for what's been going on in the world related to fossil fuels.

And the worst part?
America is tasked with trying to compete with countries that won't have the same regulations. Won't require 20% or 30% reductions in carbon emmissions.
The current agreement is no better than the Cap and Trade debacle. It's just less obvious.
tailgater Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 3:19 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
The regulation of gasoline that took out the Tetraethyllead.

I'll try to find some others tonight as I actually have a lot of work to do today.


Add to that reasonable government mandates on gas mileage.

Regulations are often necessary, but previous ones were based on actual science: the finite availability of fossil fuels, and the danger of being dependent on foreign sources. (for instance).

Algore's money grab for carbon credits simply does not fall into this category.
DrafterX Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 3:24 PM EST
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And Ethanol has forced the Mexicans to quadruple the price of tortillas..!!! Mad
jjanecka Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 4:23 PM EST
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Those bassards!!!!!!
teedubbya Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 4:42 PM EST
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The agreement has no enforcement provisions. Largely symbolic to join largely symbolic not to.
DrafterX Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 4:48 PM EST
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well it is called an 'agreement'... no point in joining if you don't agree.... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, May 31 2017, 8:23 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
The agreement has no enforcement provisions. Largely symbolic to join largely symbolic not to.


So it's like our immigration policy.
DrafterX Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, Jun 1 2017, 7:08 AM EST
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85 billion would go a long ways here at home.... the wall is only 21 billion... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, Jun 1 2017, 3:19 PM EST
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Not gonna happen... Not talking Not talking


After days of drama and suspense, President Trump announced Thursday that his administration will exit the Paris climate agreement.

"So we're getting out," Trump said. "The Paris accord is very unfair at the highest level to the United States."

His decision fulfills a campaign promise and satisfies strong Republican opposition to the global climate deal but isolates the U.S. and is certain to bring condemnation from world leaders and critics in the scientific community.
ZRX1200 Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, Jun 1 2017, 4:17 PM EST
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A treaty that's not a treaty, like a healthcare plan that wasn't a tax but was a tax.
DrafterX Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Jun 1 2017, 4:19 PM EST
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Laugh
DrafterX Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Jun 1 2017, 4:34 PM EST
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Think I'll go home and fire up the smoker and mow the lawn... prolly take the suburban to the beer store instead of the golfcar.. Think

I could prolly throw some plastics and stuff in da burn pit too... been meaning to do that... Think
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#33 Posted: Thu, Jun 1 2017, 4:50 PM EST
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I love the smell of burning plastics and pouring used motor oil on the ground. You gotta pour more oils so the earth knows it can make more oils.
DrafterX Offline
#34 Posted: Thu, Jun 1 2017, 6:02 PM EST
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Ok.. Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, Jun 1 2017, 6:18 PM EST
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Frank may be a genius, buy speyside is a savant.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/billionaire-clinton-donor-says-leaving-paris-accord-would-be-a-traitorous-act-of-war/
frankj1 Offline
#36 Posted: Thu, Jun 1 2017, 6:53 PM EST
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see how the liberal media lies? I'm only like a genius, but they keep insisting I am a genius.

but I'll have to read that later
deadeyedick Offline
#37 Posted: Thu, Jun 1 2017, 7:58 PM EST
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Trump is going to negotiate a better deal that's all. Nothing to see here.
Abrignac Offline
#38 Posted: Thu, Jun 1 2017, 8:17 PM EST
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Tons of jetsetting Hollywood types have a fresh case of butt rash over his announcement. Especially little Leo who flys private gas guzzling jets all over the world.

Phug'em.
DrafterX Offline
#39 Posted: Thu, Jun 1 2017, 8:46 PM EST
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Leo sucks balls... I've hated him since he sued that ice cream place that had been in bidness for 30 years for using his name... piece of chit he is.. Mellow
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#40 Posted: Fri, Jun 2 2017, 11:45 AM EST
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https://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/journals/noaa/QC851U461974oct.pdf

a fun read
MACS Offline
#41 Posted: Fri, Jun 2 2017, 11:49 AM EST
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Lets spend trillions to possibly affect the climate by less than one degree.

Seems legit. Sarcasm
dstieger Offline
#42 Posted: Fri, Jun 2 2017, 12:06 PM EST
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I don't feel strongly one way or another...I'll be long gone....but, I wouldn't be surprised if one degree of change could cost more than those same trillions
DrafterX Offline
#43 Posted: Fri, Jun 2 2017, 12:28 PM EST
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There's a reason they don't call it Global Warming anymore. .. Mellow
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#44 Posted: Fri, Jun 2 2017, 6:57 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
I don't feel strongly one way or another...I'll be long gone....but, I wouldn't be surprised if one degree of change could cost more than those same trillions


It'll prolly be more, in social and economic costs. Perpetuating the fossil fuel and coal industries will accelerate the forces that are causing sea levels to rise, potentially inundating coastal businesses and communities.

There will prolly be an international legal effort to hold the oil and gas companies responsible for the damages. Internal documents of the largest oil companies show that they have been girding for that liability tsunami internally for decades, all the while decrying the global warming climate change study a hoax.

Climate change has worsened droughts and caused expansion of desert areas all over the world, already affecting agriculture and water supplies. More violence between nations fighting for scarcer resources to feed their people will happen. Human migration resulting from starvation and violence will put increased burdens on nations that are barely able to cope...

As for Trump's rationale to withdraw, he didn't seem all that assertive in making the case. He said he was keeping a campaign promise to the coal industry, helping to create jobs and saving the US a few billions of dollars. He prolly was told the switching to sustainable energy sources, like most of the big oil companies are already initiating, will prolly create more jobs in the long run...
gummy jones Offline
#45 Posted: Fri, Jun 2 2017, 7:02 PM EST
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Gasp
DrafterX Offline
#46 Posted: Fri, Jun 2 2017, 7:12 PM EST
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Well, wind energy is a bust... ethanol sucks... environmental protectionist won't let solar fields go up cause of salamanders.. natural gas is our best solution. .. Mellow
Abrignac Offline
#47 Posted: Fri, Jun 2 2017, 8:33 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Well, wind energy is a bust... ethanol sucks... environmental protectionist won't let solar fields go up cause of salamanders.. natural gas is our best solution. .. Mellow


The most irrational group alive. They want to save everything from the spotted owl to the spotted ass ape. The only thing that will ever satisfy that group is for everyone to live like vegan cave people.
Speyside Offline
#48 Posted: Fri, Jun 2 2017, 8:39 PM EST
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VHEMT, Voluntary Human Extinction Movement. I kid you not, this group exists.
frankj1 Offline
#49 Posted: Fri, Jun 2 2017, 10:51 PM EST
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a much larger reason for the decline of the coal industry than anything related to global warming/environmental protection laws/ fake science/ Paris Accords/etc, is fracking and natural gas.
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#50 Posted: Sat, Jun 3 2017, 9:00 AM EST
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Prolly true... if the gubment wanted to do somethin they should give incentives to convert cars & trucks to CNG... I'd do it... well, if it was more accessible. .. Mellow
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