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opelmanta1900 Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 10:25 AM EST
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“My message to Londoners and visitors to our great city is to be calm and vigilant today. You will see an increased police presence today, including armed officers and uniformed officers. There is no reason to be alarmed by this. We are the safest global city in the world. You saw last night as a consequence of our planning, our preparation, the rehearsals that take place, the swift response from the emergency services tackling the terrorists and also helping the injured.” - Sadiq Khan
opelmanta1900 Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 10:27 AM EST
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kept reading over and over that trump was taking the london mayor's words out of context, but no news story I read was willing to put them into context... so here they are, in context...
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#3 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 10:31 AM EST
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major cities, in this day and age, that have cops without firearms is lunacy at best
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#4 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 10:32 AM EST
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i remember a few years ago when a couple jihadis sawed a man's head off in the street (i believe in england) and the cops had to try to detain them until a cop with a gun could show up
teedubbya Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 11:38 AM EST
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Saturday night, President Donald Trump responded to the London Bridge and market attacks with solidarity for London and the United Kingdom.

Sunday morning, Trump had harsh words for the city’s mayor, Sadiq Khan.

"At least 7 dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and Mayor of London says there is ‘no reason to be alarmed!’ " Trump wrote June 4.

The London mayor did use those words in a morning-after news conference about the van and stabbing rampage. But in no way, shape or form did Khan say them about the terrorist attack.

When Khan said there was "no reason to be alarmed," he was talking about the increased police presence around the city that residents and tourists would notice.

Khan condemned the attacks at London Bridge and Borough Market.

"I am appalled and furious that these cowardly terrorists would deliberately target innocent Londoners and bystanders enjoying their Saturday night," Khan said June 4. "There can be no justification for the acts of these terrorists. And I’m quite clear that we will never let them win nor will we allow them to cower our city or Londoners."

Khan talked about the stepped-up police presence three different times in the news conference, and twice he said people should not be alarmed by it. Here's one of the comments in context, via the BBC:

"Londoners will see an increased police presence today and over the course of the next few days.

"No reason to be alarmed. One of the things the police and all of us need to do is make sure we're as safe as we possibly can be.

"I'm reassured that we are one of the safest global cities in the world, if not the safest global city in the world, but we always evolve and review ways to make sure that we remain as safe as we possibly can."


The comment came up again when Khan was asked to give his message to Londoners and visitors (go to the 6:50 mark). In addition to saying they should remain calm and vigilant, he said, "You will see an increased police presence today, including armed officers, uniformed officers. There's no reason to be alarmed by this. We are the safest global city in the world."


At another point in the news conference, Khan said he did not want the general elections Thursday postponed as a result of the attacks, and the threat level remained "severe."




You can actually find a video of the news conference and watch it yourself. If you come away from watching it thinking Trump didn't take things out of context more power to you.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 11:52 AM EST
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dumb statement. at best... in context, the words are even dumber... the reason most mainstream media orgs aren't putting out the full statement is that the full statement is idiotic...

bull-f*cking-sh*t there's no reason to be alarmed... armed police are being stationed throughout the city because there's a sh*t load of alarm... alarms are being sounded across europe in the form of muslims mowing people down and stabbing them to death... and mayor khan is touting his city as "the safest global city in the world"... stupid... stupid, stupid, stupid...
teedubbya Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 11:54 AM EST
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ok
teedubbya Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 11:57 AM EST
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FDR was a moron then. I true leader would tell his people to be alarmed. Seems to me like he's doing a pretty good job, and only trump and his fans seem to disagree.
dstieger Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 12:19 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
FDR was a moron then.


Wonder if Trump would have challenged him to an IQ test...
frankj1 Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 12:22 PM EST
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You will see an increased police presence today, including armed officers and uniformed officers. There is no reason to be alarmed by this.

Trump understood this to mean no cause for alarm over terrorists...which would have been stupid if that was what was said...in context.
RMAN4443 Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 12:39 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Saturday night, President Donald Trump responded to the London Bridge and market attacks with solidarity for London and the United Kingdom.

Sunday morning, Trump had harsh words for the city’s mayor, Sadiq Khan.

"At least 7 dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and Mayor of London says there is ‘no reason to be alarmed!’ " Trump wrote June 4.

The London mayor did use those words in a morning-after news conference about the van and stabbing rampage. But in no way, shape or form did Khan say them about the terrorist attack.

When Khan said there was "no reason to be alarmed," he was talking about the increased police presence around the city that residents and tourists would notice.

Khan condemned the attacks at London Bridge and Borough Market.

"I am appalled and furious that these cowardly terrorists would deliberately target innocent Londoners and bystanders enjoying their Saturday night," Khan said June 4. "There can be no justification for the acts of these terrorists. And I’m quite clear that we will never let them win nor will we allow them to cower our city or Londoners."

Khan talked about the stepped-up police presence three different times in the news conference, and twice he said people should not be alarmed by it. Here's one of the comments in context, via the BBC:

"Londoners will see an increased police presence today and over the course of the next few days.

"No reason to be alarmed. One of the things the police and all of us need to do is make sure we're as safe as we possibly can be.

"I'm reassured that we are one of the safest global cities in the world, if not the safest global city in the world, but we always evolve and review ways to make sure that we remain as safe as we possibly can."


The comment came up again when Khan was asked to give his message to Londoners and visitors (go to the 6:50 mark). In addition to saying they should remain calm and vigilant, he said, "You will see an increased police presence today, including armed officers, uniformed officers. There's no reason to be alarmed by this. We are the safest global city in the world."


At another point in the news conference, Khan said he did not want the general elections Thursday postponed as a result of the attacks, and the threat level remained "severe."




You can actually find a video of the news conference and watch it yourself. If you come away from watching it thinking Trump didn't take things out of context more power to you.


Isn't keeping America "as safe as we possibly can" what Trump is trying to do with the Travel Ban? Where was the outrage when Obama came up with the list of nations Trump has named on his banned list?
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 12:56 PM EST
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Of course Obama kept us all safer by just eliminating the terror alerts.. Mellow
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#13 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 1:02 PM EST
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Oh my yes....let us be calm and vigilant and UNARMED as these animals with no regard for human life go about our fair city / cities slaughtering the citizenry. Nothing to be concerned about my fellow Brits....Carry On!!!!
victor809 Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 1:55 PM EST
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Reading this is like a whak-a-mole of stupid.
DrafterX Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 1:58 PM EST
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TW was just expressing his personal point of view... Shame on you
victor809 Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 2:02 PM EST
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Don't make me hit you with a mallet too.
DrafterX Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 2:02 PM EST
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Laugh
Speyside Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 2:04 PM EST
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You really think it's that intelligent?
teedubbya Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 2:52 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Isn't keeping America "as safe as we possibly can" what Trump is trying to do with the Travel Ban? Where was the outrage when Obama came up with the list of nations Trump has named on his banned list?



Not really. he is trying to get everybody alarmed and play off their fear... it's his leadership style.... be afraid...

And since the ban was just for 90 days (or 120) while we figure out what the hell is going on and fix the vetting process (that doesn't appear to be broken so no one is really working on fixing it...since the reason for the obama list was to fix it then) and it's been about that long already it's no longer needed because we fixed it right?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 2:52 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
You will see an increased police presence today, including armed officers and uniformed officers. There is no reason to be alarmed by this.

Trump understood this to mean no cause for alarm over terrorists...which would have been stupid if that was what was said...in context.


Are we sure that's what he "understood this to mean"? Khan meant that there was no reason to be alarmed over a heavy police presence, which of course we know is bullsh*t... if you go into work tomorrow and see police officers stationed at every cubicle, be very f*cking alarmed! Sh*t is going down... doesn't mean you need to be alarmed BY the police, but you can be certain the police are alarmed... you probably should be too...
teedubbya Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 2:53 PM EST
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Please be alarmed. The terrorists don't want that.


Are you actually arguing that our leaders should want us to be alarmed? vigilant maybe. aware maybe.... alarmed really? You want them to be alarmed by a greater police presence rather than to feel safer because of it?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 2:58 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Not really. he is trying to get everybody alarmed and play off their fear... it's his leadership style.... be afraid...

And since the ban was just for 90 days (or 120) while we figure out what the hell is going on and fix the vetting process (that doesn't appear to be broken so no one is really working on fixing it) and it's been about that long already it's no longer needed because we fixed it right?

If you're not alarmed by the increase in terror attacks happening across Europe, what will alarm you? Or are you of the mindset that there's never any need for alarm no matter what's happening?
teedubbya Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 2:59 PM EST
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I heard FDRs speech was taken out of context. He really said you should be really scared. Really really scared. Alarmed even. Run screaming like girls and push others out of the way. This is awful we are all going to die.
teedubbya Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 3:02 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
If you're not alarmed by the increase in terror attacks happening across Europe, what will alarm you? Or are you of the mindset that there's never any need for alarm no matter what's happening?



Not being alarmed does not equate to being docile or not being vigilant. An increased police presence should do the opposite of alarming. It should help you feel safer. I have never heard an effective leader in a time of crisis recommend being alarmed rather than remain calm... that does not mean take no action... but alarmed?. It would be especially weird if they said we are increasing the police presence so you should be alarmed by that. You will see more police and police with guns. Do not be alarmed or panic. Not being alarmed does not mean ignoring. Alarmed is a fairly charged extreme word. To not be alarmed is not the extreme on the opposite side.

The brits know how to do this. From the battle of britain to the IRA crap to this. They are a stoic group. Trump is a moron for even making this an issue. Just wish them well and offer them any assistance we can. Don't be a complete tool and pick a fight with them. That mayor seems to be doing a good job trying to quell panic. I dread the day we rely on trump to remain calm and rational.
DrafterX Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 3:03 PM EST
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That wasn't the first time... Not talking
opelmanta1900 Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 3:19 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Not being alarmed does not equate to being docile or not being vigilant. An increased police presence should do the opposite of alarming. It should help you feel safer. I have never heard an effective leader in a time of crisis recommend being alarmed rather than remain calm. It would be especially weird if they said we are increasing the police presence so you should be alarmed by that. You will see more police and police with guns. Do not be alarmed or panic. Not being alarmed does not mean ignoring. Alarmed is a fairly charged extreme word. To not be alarmed is not the extreme on the opposite side.

The brits know how to do this. From the battle of britain to the IRA crap to this. They are a stoic group. Trump is a moron for even making this an issue. Just wish them well and offer them any assistance we can. Don't be a complete tool and pick a fight with them. That mayor seems to be doing a good job trying to quell panic. I dread the day we rely on trump to remain calm and rational.

I'm sorry you misinterpret the word "alarm" as being "charged" and "extreme"... you must have a damn near panic attack in the mornings, you know, when your "alarm" goes off...
teedubbya Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 3:23 PM EST
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well if trump means they should all set their alarm clocks then its ok.

I am surprised you are so ok with him being critical of what the mayor of London is saying and doing during a crisis especially when his words are clearly being taken out of context by Trump to suit his needs.

To me it is pretty indefensible and beneath the dignity of the office. Normally we support our allies in these instances. But the bar has been lowered. I'm not aware of anyone but Trump taking issue anywhere in the world. Maybe he's just that smart.... or.....

But we can agree to disagree. You think the people of london should be alarmed by an increased police presence and their Mayor is wrong. Cool.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 3:31 PM EST
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Getting ones Johnson sucked in the oval office by an employee was thought to be beneath the dignity of the office as well... Billy proved us wrong and now trump is doing the same....

I won't defend trump but i won't crucify him either, as you and the press are doing... to instruct people not to be alarmed - either by terrorists or by the extra police protection now needed just to avoid being killed by terrorists - seems retarded to me... to be alarmed is to "feel frightened, disturbed, or in danger"... 3 terrorists attacks in 3 weeks... what would it take to make you feel like you were "in danger"?
MACS Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 3:34 PM EST
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Son... of... a... beotch.

Sorry, Joel... in context, I have to agree with teedub. At least in my mind, when I read what was said I took it to mean do not be alarmed by the increased police presence.

*sigh*

Ol' Trumpelstiltskin needs to nix his twitter account, stfu, and be president.
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#30 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 3:37 PM EST
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MACS wrote:

Ol' Trumpelstiltskin needs to nix his twitter account, stfu, and be president.




Yep... I think we all agree on this.... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#31 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 3:39 PM EST
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deleted because I am getting redundant
teedubbya Offline
#32 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 3:40 PM EST
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Damn... MACS agrees... I should rethink LOL j/k
opelmanta1900 Offline
#33 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 3:43 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Son... of... a... beotch.

Sorry, Joel... in context, I have to agree with teedub. At least in my mind, when I read what was said I took it to mean do not be alarmed by the increased police presence.

*sigh*

Ol' Trumpelstiltskin needs to nix his twitter account, stfu, and be president.

Well to be fair, I probably agree with tw too... but if I don't argue with him this place turns into a bill Murray movie to him... and even though it's a good movie, he's seen it too many times... so i mix it up and encourage him to defend a stance that he probably thought he'd never encounter someone dumb enough to have to defend it to... but he underestimates how dumb i can be...
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#34 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 3:45 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:

For the President to nitpick what the mayor was saying, assign his own meaning to it, and play it with his base during this particular time is not worthy of the office....



This one may not have had anything to do with his base....he's got a negative history with the mayor and was going to jump his azz no matter what was said...my Trump/FDR IQ line was with tongue in cheek because Trump once challenged the mayor to an IQ test. Unless someone takes his phone away, we haven't seen the last of this twitterspat
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#35 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 3:45 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Well to be fair, I probably agree with tw too... but if I don't argue with him this place turns into a bill Murray movie to him... and even though it's a good movie, he's seen it too many times... so i mix it up and encourage him to defend a stance that he probably thought he'd never encounter someone dumb enough to have to defend it to... but he underestimates how dumb i can be...



That's not true. I've encountered much dumber arguments in here. Right drafter?
dstieger Offline
#36 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 3:46 PM EST
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Opel, not everybody misses Potts
teedubbya Offline
#37 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 3:46 PM EST
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The mayor is a mooslum right?
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#38 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 3:47 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Well to be fair, I probably agree with tw too... but if I don't argue with him this place turns into a bill Murray movie to him... and even though it's a good movie, he's seen it too many times... so i mix it up and encourage him to defend a stance that he probably thought he'd never encounter someone dumb enough to have to defend it to... but he underestimates how dumb i can be...

A little side note on how my brain isn't working the way it once was... i tried repeatedly to retool this sentence to say what i was trying to say and never could get it so i left it... a year ago, that would've never happened... it's like I'm missing small patches of my ability to form sentences... is this what getting old is? Is this how all you guys feel all the time?
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#39 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 3:48 PM EST
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MACS wrote:


Ol' Trumpelstiltskin needs to nix his twitter account, stfu, and be president.


Agreed.
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#40 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 3:48 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
This one may not have had anything to do with his base....he's got a negative history with the mayor and was going to jump his azz no matter what was said...my Trump/FDR IQ line was with tongue in cheek because Trump once challenged the mayor to an IQ test. Unless someone takes his phone away, we haven't seen the last of this twitterspat

Is it an Obama phone? Maybe Barak can just have it disconnected...
teedubbya Offline
#41 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 3:48 PM EST
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My brain is failing more and more every year but nothing like the other end. effin rhoids... hate them...
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#42 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 3:49 PM EST
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^ # 38 hehe...chuckle....lol.....roflmao....


MACS wrote:

Ol' Trumpelstiltskin needs to nix his twitter account, stfu, and be president.


DrafterX wrote:

Yep... I think we all agree on this....


Yeah...it'll help some...but he'll still be the same fool who has and would've posted stupid tweets...it'll just become apparent in other ways...
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#43 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 3:50 PM EST
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Even if Trump feels it is productive or positive to be alarmed..... there is a better time and way to go about it
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#44 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 3:51 PM EST
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I am glad trump is president... he's a deceitful and crooked millionaire who thinks he's above the law, and probably is to a degree... but we all know that... if Hillary had won, we would've had the same thing but less people would've realized it, i think... it's good for the long term....
teedubbya Offline
#45 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 3:52 PM EST
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I liked potts. his walter mitty imitation was spot on.
teedubbya Offline
#46 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 3:54 PM EST
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I'm not glad Trump is playing the part of President but I sure am glad Hillary isn't. That isn't a good enough reason for me to justify his BS and not be embarrassed by our bad choices though.
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#47 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 3:59 PM EST
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He's definitely profiting way more than she could've imagined...he and his kids are making hay while daddy's in office...and some of daddy's head scratching foreign policy moves may be designed to help his businesses post-presidency...
DrafterX Offline
#48 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 4:07 PM EST
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How is he profiting by President..?? By staying at his own hotel every now & then..?? Huh
MACS Offline
#49 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 4:10 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
He's definitely profiting way more than she could've imagined...he and his kids are making hay while daddy's in office...and some of daddy's head scratching foreign policy moves may be designed to help his businesses post-presidency...


Absolute 100% speculation. Unless you can show how he's profiting, or how his kids are. I understand the conflict, just as most people did who voted him in, but if he makes moves to help American businesses do better, of course it may help his as well. And if it gets our economy revved up... good.

And c'mon, man... the Clintons have been crooked as Lombard Street since way back when they were in Arkansas.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#50 Posted: Tue, Jun 6 2017, 4:17 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
He's definitely profiting way more than she could've imagined...he and his kids are making hay while daddy's in office...and some of daddy's head scratching foreign policy moves may be designed to help his businesses post-presidency...

I think that's one of those things we'll never know... who knows what the Clinton foundation would've become... Hillary certainly benefited from Bill being president and Chelsea likely would've benefited from her mother being president...

People make jokes about all politicians being liars and criminals and maybe I'm the only one, but i actually believe that... i think some honest men and women have gone into politics, but honesty isn't how they survived there...

Even my champion, Guatemalan president Jimmy Morales - the once unbribeable comedian - has a son and brother caught up in a fraud scheme that will certainly tarnish his literal joke of a presidency... Et tu, Yimmy? Et tu?
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