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DrafterX Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Jun 8 2017, 4:18 PM EST
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Those who preach tolerance and equality are normally the least tolerant and least equal of all.

That’s why I was not terribly surprised to learn that organizers of a gay pride parade in Charlotte, North Carolina, banned a group of pro-Trump gays.

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“Gays for Trump” had submitted an application to display a float during this year’s Charlotte Pride parade.

“It was going to support Donald Trump,” group spokesman Derek Van Cleve told me. “It was going to be a patriotic float with American flags and a few ‘Make America Great Again’ flags.”

He also said the float would be populated with a number of drag queens – dressed as Uncle Sam and the Statue of Liberty.

“We wanted to have a couple of drag queens on the float dancing in ‘Make America Great Again’ dresses,” he said.

“All we wanted to do is let the community know the gay community does not speak for every single gay – just like the mayor of Pittsburgh does not speak for every single person in Pittsburgh,” Mr. Van Cleve said.

Nothing controversial, just patriotic.

“Not every single lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender citizen is anti-Trump,” he said. “Some of us love him and some of us support him – including myself.”

Mr. Van Cleve told me he was surprised when Charlotte Pride rejected their application.

It’s just unfortunate that Charlotte Pride does not practice what it preaches.

"For a group of people to claim to want tolerance, acceptance, and give it to every single person you can imagine to give it to, for them to sit back and judge me for exercising my right as an American to choose my leader without judgment is hypocritical," Gays for Trump organizer Brian Talbert told Fox 46.

But their decision to ban “Gays for Trump” smells of narrow-minded political bigotry.

Charlotte Pride should be celebrating diversity. Instead, it appears they are shoving gay Republicans back into the closet.


Film at 11.... Think


This smells of Victor and his friends... Not talking


victor809 Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Jun 8 2017, 4:23 PM EST
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Did anyone do a "gays for Obama " float in previous years?

Seeing as Trump hasn't even recognized GLB-XYZwhatever month... I'm not particularly surprised the organizers don't want to recognize him. But a blatant propaganda float like that doesn't strike me as appropriate anyway.

This isn't North korea... we don't have to recognize "dear leader" in every event... although you seem to want to.
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Jun 8 2017, 4:30 PM EST
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Just as I thought... you're lining right behind the anti-Trump gay-homos... Not talking
MACS Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Jun 8 2017, 4:32 PM EST
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Why do they need a parade, anyway? They don't want heterosexuals forcing their views on them... so why do they do it to us? Being heterosexual or lgbt xyzpdq isn't something to be proud of... it's just the way you are. It's like being proud of having green eyes.

Should we have a heterosexual pride parade? We can all wear "I love the kitty!" t-shirts, and the women can wear "I love the sausage!" t-shirts... and stuff.
victor809 Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Jun 8 2017, 4:34 PM EST
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So I did a search. Nothing came up when i looked for similar gays for Obama floats in Charlotte parades in the past.

Maybe they don't want to turn a lgbt parade into a political rally for one candidate? You wouldn't think for a moment that they may not allow that sort of float in the first place and someone just tried to submit one to make a scene and pretend it's something special to do with Trump, would ya?

Of course you wouldn't think that...
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#6 Posted: Thu, Jun 8 2017, 4:39 PM EST
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Vicky's back.....

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DrafterX Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Jun 8 2017, 4:39 PM EST
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I have no idea what gay-homos think... Not talking
JadeRose Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Jun 8 2017, 6:06 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Why do they need a parade, anyway?



Because they all look fabulous. They'd LOVE you with your dreamy, Freddie Mercury looks.
MACS Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Jun 8 2017, 7:12 PM EST
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I am a handsome man... but I don't fall fuh no banana in mah tailpipe, ayite?
frankj1 Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Jun 8 2017, 7:17 PM EST
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they should march at a Trump rally. The hugs would go on forever.
DrafterX Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Jun 8 2017, 8:03 PM EST
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They would prolly be welcome... Mellow
Mr. Jones Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Jun 8 2017, 8:48 PM EST
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Baptists "NO LIKE" moho's...

North Carolina is full of Baptists.
TMCTLT Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 8:23 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Why do they need a parade, anyway? They don't want heterosexuals forcing their views on them... so why do they do it to us? Being heterosexual or lgbt xyzpdq isn't something to be proud of... it's just the way you are. It's like being proud of having green eyes.

Should we have a heterosexual pride parade? We can all wear "I love the kitty!" t-shirts, and the women can wear "I love the sausage!" t-shirts... and stuff.




MACS, we agree on more chit than we disagree on.....Agree wholeheartedly with your reply and Love the t-shirt and float idea....let's just see how F'n tolerant they really are. ( even though that outcome is already KNOWN )
tailgater Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 8:31 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Did anyone do a "gays for Obama " float in previous years?

Seeing as Trump hasn't even recognized GLB-XYZwhatever month... I'm not particularly surprised the organizers don't want to recognize him. But a blatant propaganda float like that doesn't strike me as appropriate anyway.

This isn't North korea... we don't have to recognize "dear leader" in every event... although you seem to want to.


So you agree with the organizers of the Boston St. Patrick's Day parade when they wanted to ban the gay float?
Because there was never a float promoting heterosexual Irish.
tailgater Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 8:32 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
they should march at a Trump rally. The hugs would go on forever.


I like hugs.
DrafterX Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 8:39 AM EST
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well, I'd send you a hug but the gay-homo parade thread just doesn't seem like the right place.. Unsure
frankj1 Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 12:01 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I like hugs.

go to Charlotte.
victor809 Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 12:20 PM EST
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Tail... isn't every float promoting heterosexual Irish?

We're straight white males... jesus... the world is our oyster. Literally everything has been organizers around our amusement, our needs or our foibles. Complaining because some group that doesn't normally get recognized wants a float seems weak and childish. Like a 4 year old throwing a tantrum because the parents brought a new baby home...
DrafterX Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 12:33 PM EST
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what kind of baby..?? Is it deformed or somethin..?? Huh
delta1 Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 12:51 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Why do they need a parade, anyway? They don't want heterosexuals forcing their views on them... so why do they do it to us? Being heterosexual or lgbt xyzpdq isn't something to be proud of... it's just the way you are. It's like being proud of having green eyes.

Should we have a heterosexual pride parade? We can all wear "I love the kitty!" t-shirts, and the women can wear "I love the sausage!" t-shirts... and stuff.



The July Fourth parades and New Years Day parades all across our nation reinforce our heterosexual traditions and values.
DrafterX Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 12:54 PM EST
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And Snoopy..!! Laugh
delta1 Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 1:02 PM EST
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yea...that Belle is a looker...they make an awesome couple...too bad Charles Schulz died, or there woulda been some adorable puppies...
MACS Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 1:04 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
The July Fourth parades and New Years Day parades all across our nation reinforce our heterosexual traditions and values.


No they don't. They neither promote heterosexuality, nor condemn homosexuality. They're a celebration of our independence and the new year... and we ALL celebrate those things. Nobody is 'excluded' based on anything.
TMCTLT Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 1:07 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
No they don't. They neither promote heterosexuality, nor condemn homosexuality. They're a celebration of our independence and the new year... and we ALL celebrate those things. Nobody is 'excluded' based on anything.



Correct Applause
victor809 Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 1:55 PM EST
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... that's certainly not correct macs.
victor809 Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 1:59 PM EST
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Seeing as our government has had policies in place various times throughout it's history specifically excluding various races, genders and sexualities depending on the year an independence day parade is certainly an exclusion of a specific group.

Pretty sure slaves weren't celebrating US independence pre civil war. And I'm gonna bet plenty of women weren't thrilled with it pre sufferage. And given the disparate set of laws regarding gay rights there may be some who don't think this country stands for them yet.
TMCTLT Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 2:17 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Seeing as our government has had policies in place various times throughout it's history specifically excluding various races, genders and sexualities depending on the year an independence day parade is certainly an exclusion of a specific group.

Pretty sure slaves weren't celebrating US independence pre civil war. And I'm gonna bet plenty of women weren't thrilled with it pre sufferage. And given the disparate set of laws regarding gay rights there may be some who don't think this country stands for them yet.




Okay now be honest, how F'n loud were you laughing as you typed this? Is it meant to be " humorous " OR
" justification " for their NOT SO INCLUSIVENESS??????
MACS Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 2:43 PM EST
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Victor has a dissenting view. Damn. Didn't see that coming.

You're living in the past. MAYBE back in the 1800's and early 1900's... but we're talking about TODAY. Now. The present. And I am pretty sure even back then, people weren't saying "Whoa, you can't participate in celebrating, you're a woman... or black, or chinese..."

Please, for the love of all that is holy, explain to me how the celebration of July 4th or New Year's day is about anything more than a celebration of our country and the new year? It isn't.

Fact is... we have policies in place TODAY to prevent discrimination based on race, color, creed, religion, sexual orientation, etc... etc... (unless you're white)

Your point has been rendered moot.
victor809 Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 2:56 PM EST
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Seeing as there is still debate in multiple states about what exactly the rights are for gays regarding marriage or transgender regarding bathrooms or women regarding their bodies.... I think my point still stands.

Is this as serious as back when we used to just kill those groups for speaking up? No. But I certainly can see how if someone were part of that group they may not consider the US independence day as a parade they're included in...

But you'll just dismiss my point and say something like "it looks like everyone is included in the USA from my point of view as a straight white male and there's no way I could be wrong"... and we'll go back and forth again. You're not going to change your view... because you're convinced everything must be good for everyone else because it looks like it must be from your viewpoint.
victor809 Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 2:57 PM EST
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And so I don't forget... tcby is an idiot.

There... that's about as much effort any of his posts deserve.
SteveS Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 3:00 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Complaining because some group that doesn't normally get recognized wants a float ...


doesn't get recognized ???

Vic, I know you're just kidding us with that one ... even the blind and deaf residents of SF recognize the group in question and you're neither blind nor deaf ...
MACS Offline
#32 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 3:19 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Seeing as there is still debate in multiple states about what exactly the rights are for gays regarding marriage or transgender regarding bathrooms or women regarding their bodies.... I think my point still stands.

That has nothing to do with independence day. AFAIK - the federal gov't has already recognized the rights of gays to openly serve in the military, file tax returns together, be on each other's insurance policies, etc... the only question is whether it is called a 'marriage' or a civil union. States have the right to do what they do, right? So move, if your state doesn't support what the federal gov't does.

Is this as serious as back when we used to just kill those groups for speaking up? No. But I certainly can see how if someone were part of that group they may not consider the US independence day as a parade they're included in...

Then that would be them, excluding themselves... not anyone else excluding them.

But you'll just dismiss my point and say something like "it looks like everyone is included in the USA from my point of view as a straight white male and there's no way I could be wrong"... and we'll go back and forth again. You're not going to change your view... because you're convinced everything must be good for everyone else because it looks like it must be from your viewpoint.

There you go again... putting words and ideas into someone's post because that's how you read it. I'm not going to change my view because I'm right. The USA is not perfect, but we are far and away better and more inclusive and tolerant than any... other... country. AND - we continue to improve.

victor809 Offline
#33 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 3:31 PM EST
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You just proved my point. A state in the union chooses to restrict the rights of some groups and your answer is that they should move... because in your view states rights Trump individual rights in this case ... of course it's coincidentally an issue that doesn't impact you. But I'm sure that has no bearing on whether you find states rights to be more important... and whether you consider having to move to have equal rights an inconvenience.

Being more inclusive and tolerant than any other country isn't the ultimate goal. General rights isnt graded on a curve. By that logic if every other country is as bad as North Korea we could still have slavery and say "we're great!"
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#34 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 3:51 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Just as I thought... you're lining right behind the anti-Trump gay-homos... Not talking


OMG, this is the funniest ****e I've read in weeks!!!
MACS Offline
#35 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 4:14 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
You just proved my point. A state in the union chooses to restrict the rights of some groups and your answer is that they should move... because in your view states rights Trump individual rights in this case ... of course it's coincidentally an issue that doesn't impact you. But I'm sure that has no bearing on whether you find states rights to be more important... and whether you consider having to move to have equal rights an inconvenience.

Being more inclusive and tolerant than any other country isn't the ultimate goal. General rights isnt graded on a curve. By that logic if every other country is as bad as North Korea we could still have slavery and say "we're great!"


I never said states' rights trump individual rights. Nor did I infer it. I don't like CA's ridiculous politics or taxes... so I'm moving as soon as I can. The LGBT etc... community doesn't want heterosexual views forced on them... yet they want to force their views on heterosexuals. Why can't we just exist? Be who we are?

They want to be treated the same when it comes to bathrooms? They are. If they have a penis they can use the men's room... just like everyone else who has a penis.

They don't want to be included, they want special treatment.
tailgater Offline
#36 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 4:39 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Tail... isn't every float promoting heterosexual Irish?

We're straight white males... jesus... the world is our oyster. Literally everything has been organizers around our amusement, our needs or our foibles. Complaining because some group that doesn't normally get recognized wants a float seems weak and childish. Like a 4 year old throwing a tantrum because the parents brought a new baby home...


So.
Different rules for different skin color or gender or orientation.
Gotcha.
tailgater Offline
#37 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 4:41 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Seeing as our government has had policies in place various times throughout it's history specifically excluding various races, genders and sexualities depending on the year an independence day parade is certainly an exclusion of a specific group.

Pretty sure slaves weren't celebrating US independence pre civil war. And I'm gonna bet plenty of women weren't thrilled with it pre sufferage. And given the disparate set of laws regarding gay rights there may be some who don't think this country stands for them yet.


America once had slaves.
So now we should give special consideration.
Bravo.
frankj1 Offline
#38 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 6:00 PM EST
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all kidding aside, what views are being forced on heterosexuals?
victor809 Offline
#39 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 6:14 PM EST
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"I'll be moving as soon as I CAN"...

Basically prove my point. What if what you want to run from is a little more oppressive than a little money?
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#40 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 6:47 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
No they don't. They neither promote heterosexuality, nor condemn homosexuality. They're a celebration of our independence and the new year... and we ALL celebrate those things. Nobody is 'excluded' based on anything.



Here's an article about the Rose Parade, typical of most American New Years Day parades, and how tightly their standards for "acceptable displays and performers" were historically enforced. They stirred up a firestorm when they let a gay male couple on a float into the parade...before that, only heterosexual couples were allowed...
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#41 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 7:12 PM EST
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MACS Offline
#42 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 7:45 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
all kidding aside, what views are being forced on heterosexuals?


The whole, "I identify as" and "I should be able to use the bathroom I identify with"... you can say what you want, you can do what you want, you can be what you want... but that pesky DNA and those pesky chromosomes make you either male, or female. The end.

That view.

Not mad at you, Frankie... just attempting to be succinct.
MACS Offline
#43 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 7:47 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Here's an article about the Rose Parade, typical of most American New Years Day parades, and how tightly their standards for "acceptable displays and performers" were historically enforced. They stirred up a firestorm when they let a gay male couple on a float into the parade...before that, only heterosexual couples were allowed...


So one parade has standards of who can actually be IN the parade. So? Does it prevent anyone from celebrating? Or going TO the parade? Or wearing flambuoyant costumes on the sidewalk AT the parade?

I bet they don't allow an NRA float, either... you don't see rednecks up in arms, do ya?
victor809 Offline
#44 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 7:54 PM EST
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Tell me MACS... when you're peeing... do you care who is next to you?

Maybe it's the life I've led ... but I sure as he'll am not inconvenienced by a transgender male using the men's room... or a transgender female using the women's room.

I mean... when I have my d33k in my hands I don't usually say to myself "thank you Jesus that there's a man with a d1ck standing next to me"....

But that's just me.
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#45 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 8:01 PM EST
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And interestingly enough... the chromosomes have been shown to not be the totality of sexual development in fetuses. Its much more complicated than that and leads to a much less binary set than you believe. I've explained this in this forum before... no one cared then about the science. I'm not gonna bother to explain it again. You're not going to care about the actual science either... you just want what supports your idea.
MACS Offline
#46 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 8:20 PM EST
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As an alpha male, I have the instinct to protect the kids and female of our species. I don't care if a chick or a trans dude pees by me... but I do care if they do so by females and children. Working in a jail... I know what pedos can and will do.

I'm not saying LBGT are pedos Most are not, they just like the same sex, not kids. I'm saying people who ARE pedos will use the "I identify as" bullshiat to prey on kids, and those who prey on females will, too.

As far as the science you've posted before... yeah, I probably missed it, and yeah... it will probably only solidify my belief that non-heterosexual people have chemical or mental issues that make them the way they are.
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#47 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 8:26 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
The whole, "I identify as" and "I should be able to use the bathroom I identify with"... you can say what you want, you can do what you want, you can be what you want... but that pesky DNA and those pesky chromosomes make you either male, or female. The end.

That view.

Not mad at you, Frankie... just attempting to be succinct.

Never worried if you are mad at me, never concerned if our views differ either, as you know.

I just can't get out of my head that it's really early in the evolution of a truly accepting free society/culture to allow every single human (I do not include sexual criminals) a life of full access to all the greatness that freedom means.

Just a few short decades ago, separate bathrooms, water fountains, seating sections on buses and restaurants (if allowed in at all) was considered to be tolerance and progress.

It was neither.

"Separate but equal" was grudgingly considered the answer to equality in education. I'm sure you would agree now that that was hideous.

I am not able to understand what it is like to be a member of the new class of Negroes.
MACS Offline
#48 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 8:44 PM EST
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I can't disagree with that. As I said above in this post... or one of the others... we're improving continually.

There is a difference between acceptance and celebration. Some claim to want acceptance when what they really want is to be exceptional. No. Sorry.

I hope we can agree that affirmative action is no longer necessary, and likely detrimental to true fairness now.
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#49 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 8:49 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
I can't disagree with that. As I said above in this post... or one of the others... we're improving continually.

There is a difference between acceptance and celebration. Some claim to want acceptance when what they really want is to be exceptional. No. Sorry.

I hope we can agree that affirmative action is no longer necessary, and likely detrimental to true fairness now.

You know we are pretty close here.

One day, hopefully in our lifetimes, this will all seem silly.
MACS Offline
#50 Posted: Fri, Jun 9 2017, 8:53 PM EST
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Let me ask you this, Frankie...

IF... IF American society is so bad at 'holding minorities back' or 'down' or whatever... why is it that immigrants can come here and not just get by, but THRIVE... Be exceptionally successful?

1. Because they SEE the opportunity.
2. Because they take advantage of it.
3. Because they work hard.
4. Because they appreciate the opportunity we actually do have here.
5. Because their countries don't have welfare, so they are not used to ANY help. They MUST do for themselves. And they do.

All cultures and countries, too.

Meanwhile... our poor want more and more taxpayer funded freebies.

As I said, I lived in Greece. I lived in the Philippines. I've visited wealthy countries and 3rd world countries. Ours is unparalleled in its opportunity, if one is willing (and possibly made) to work for it. No matter what color your skin is, or what God you do or do not believe in.
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