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DrafterX Offline
#51 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 8:39 AM EST
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unfortunately the sick bassard is dead and we'll never know what eh was thinking at the time... but living in his car for 3 months lurking around DC sounds to me like he was looking for an opportunity... he was specific with his targets... you can't convince me he just woke up one day and snapped... Mellow
TMCTLT Offline
#52 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 8:43 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
unfortunately the sick bassard is dead and we'll never know what eh was thinking at the time... but living in his car for 3 months lurking around DC sounds to me like he was looking for an opportunity... he was specific with his targets... you can't convince me he just woke up one day and snapped... Mellow



Totally agree, and while I also agree that immediately after the tragedy may NOT be the time to get " all political " there's NO DOUBT in my mind this WAS very much politically motivated and one would have to be blind not to see it.

I'm not sure what could be gleaned from him personally that can't be discovered from his social media rants etc. so in the end....I'm good with the SOB being dead, why house and feed the prick and pay for a trial. JMO
DrafterX Offline
#53 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 8:44 AM EST
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so how many more times does this have to happen before we can talk about why it happened..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#54 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 8:48 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
so how many more times does this have to happen before we can talk about why it happened..?? Huh



We can and should talk about it now. My only issue is the one sided nature of the conversation some take. This isn't the only instance, and that nut job the only example. it isn't only about how trump is being treated, nor is it only about how hillary was treated (lock her up, jumpsuits, she should be in jail but it's fixed etc...)

That's my only point. Sarns piece is a one sided slant. That is not to say there is nothing accurate or of mertit in it, but in it's entirety it is a political hack piece, not constructive. It has an agenda that is partisan in nature.

No one said anything about not talking about why. I suspect part of the reason is the hyper partisan crap on BOTH sides. Something missed by many. It's always the other sides fault.
dstieger Offline
#55 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 8:52 AM EST
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All the politicized analysis of this is totally superfluous. Frank's right. The guy was fucked up in the head. Everything else is grandstanding or interpreting the event in such a way as to support some opinion, when in fact, the only pertinent fact is that the guy was a whack job.
teedubbya Offline
#56 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 8:53 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Totally agree, and while I also agree that immediately after the tragedy may NOT be the time to get " all political " there's NO DOUBT in my mind this WAS very much politically motivated and one would have to be blind not to see it.

I'm not sure what could be gleaned from him personally that can't be discovered from his social media rants etc. so in the end....I'm good with the SOB being dead, why house and feed the prick and pay for a trial. JMO



I'm glad he is dead too. And most definitely it was politically motivated given what we know so far. Our politics needs to ratchet down. The other side is not the enemy.

Dst - he is a nut job that used politics as a reason. But The current environment fosters that.
Speyside Offline
#57 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 9:06 AM EST
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What has happened to knowing the difference between right and wrong? Every day we hear of horrendous events in our country. It seems there are some people that no longer have a sense of morality. Shooting people because they are something other than what you are goes much deeper than politics, religion, sexual preference, and whatever else you want to add to the list.
DrafterX Offline
#58 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 9:25 AM EST
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So I guess calling him a 'Liberal Extremist Terrorist' is way over the top ehh..?? Huh
Speyside Offline
#59 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 10:05 AM EST
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Drafter, I think that is exactly what he was.
DrafterX Offline
#60 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 10:08 AM EST
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But it's not politically correct... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#61 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 10:24 AM EST
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True, true.
dstieger Offline
#62 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 10:24 AM EST
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Just think....with a taxpayer-funded, government-provided, fully functioning social 'support system' providing for his every physical, mental, and emotional need....and with extremely strict gun control....one less conservative might have been shot....almost makes you want to be a Democrat, huh?
ZRX1200 Offline
#63 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 10:29 AM EST
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#57 Spey nailed it.

^ or nationwide reciprocity. It is a denied civil right.
DrafterX Offline
#64 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 10:30 AM EST
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or a little respect for the Commander-in-Chief... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#65 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 10:39 AM EST
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http://video.foxnews.com/v/5472216378001/?#sp=show-clips

Think
teedubbya Offline
#66 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 11:17 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
or a little respect for the Commander-in-Chief... Mellow



regardless of party.

There are monsters out there feeding off both sides. In one sense it's no ones fault but the monster, however what would be wrong with a little decency and civility on both sides.

This guy was apparently a liberal. Some may take glee or run with that to serve their agenda. The next one may not be a liberal. And respect for the commander in chief is something that should not only apply when your guy is in there. If it is Obama or Hillary (shudder) it should apply there too. That doesn't mean agree with... but all you have to do is read in here over the last couple years to see things that do not have that respect.


In the end it's on the monster. But why unnecessarily feed that crap, and why leverage an agenda when this **** happens. Next time the leverage will be on the other side and the game begins.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#67 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 11:28 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
regardless of party.

There are monsters out there feeding off both sides. In one sense it's no ones fault but the monster, however what would be wrong with a little decency and civility on both sides.

This guy was apparently a liberal. Some may take glee or run with that to serve their agenda. The next one may not be a liberal. And respect for the commander in chief is something that should not only apply when your guy is in there. If it is Obama or Hillary (shudder) it should apply there too. That doesn't mean agree with... but all you have to do is read in here over the last couple years to see things that do not have that respect.


In the end it's on the monster. But why unnecessarily feed that crap, and why leverage an agenda when this **** happens. Next time the leverage will be on the other side and the game begins.



Please. The blame game again? "Oh, its different because...." or "It's the other party!!!!". Give it a break already with the built in excuses. See this for what it is. 24x7 we have to see and hear on radio and TV that Trump is (insert whatever here). What did they think was going to happen? They've been barraging anyone paying attention with their agenda because that bitch didn't win. Did they think someone from the more radical side of a fringe was going to bring flowers, candy and take them to a really great restaurant? Make me laugh. They elicited this response. They OWN it. Perhaps, IF and I know most can't go with it but IF they were to dial down the hate and the rhetoric to a civil level then perhaps these types of events won't happen. No, instead let's keep up the respect issue. I loathed the Kenyan King. Why? Because he wasn't qualified to do the job and everything I pretty much claimed he was going to do, he did. I didn't grab a gun and shoot Nancy Pelosi though did I? Put the blame where it belongs. Squarely on the media and the incessant droning dumpster firebombing they've projected non-stop. Putting more money into mental health and mental institutions would go a long way too!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYm_2oCVdSM
teedubbya Offline
#68 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 11:39 AM EST
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No blame game. Just saying it's bigger than this individual and not one sided. I consider "blaming" one side over the other as the blame game. All sides can be civil. If you insist its completely the fault of the other side then it will never be addressed. It's both/all. Our politics is not good vs evil like so many see it.

And for the record to my knowledge no one in here from either side grabbed a gun and shot anyone (thankfully) so the fact you didn't doesn't tell me much LOL
dstieger Offline
#69 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 11:43 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I didn't grab a gun and shoot Nancy Pelosi though did I? Put the blame where it belongs.


better get that mirror fixed
DrMaddVibe Offline
#70 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 11:46 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
better get that mirror fixed



What?
teedubbya Offline
#71 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 11:50 AM EST
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It is humorous that someone who completely lays the blame at the feet of those that disagree with their politics/agenda and ignores that of the folks that agree with them considers the suggestion of taking a broader look at things without placing blame "the blame game". For those folks there is no resolution, and sadly that may be the end result anyway.
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#72 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 12:14 PM EST
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I got in trouble in 6th grade for orchestrating a black out the day after Bill Clinton was elected... i went to a small private school and convinced a large number of students to wear all black to school to show our disapproval of the elected president...

My African American teacher (who already greatly disliked me because of something that had nothing to do with me) didn't care much for it... but she was smart... she appealed to scripture and pointed out that God calls for his people to respect and honor all authority on earth - kings, queens, governors, mayors - regardless of what we think of them or their policies.... she further pointed out that the firmest of these instructions were delivered when Nero was Caesar...

One saying that has always stuck with me - if the king is good, God uses him, and if the king is bad, God uses him... it isn't up to the king, but up to the king's king...
DrafterX Offline
#73 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 12:26 PM EST
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God made him do it..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#74 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 12:31 PM EST
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I saw Billie Jean King's boobs once
Stinkdyr Offline
#75 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 1:25 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
FORTUNATELY the sick bassard is dead ......... Mellow



FIFY


fog
tailgater Offline
#76 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 1:28 PM EST
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This isn't a broad scope. It's not bigger than the individual. It's not partisan. It's not the weapon's fault. It's not the climate in the world today. It's not social media. It doesn't matter who he voted for. Or campaigned for.
It's actually quite simple.
Some nut-job decided to attempt mass murder.

Hi victims were chosen based on politics.
But his nut-baggery is 100% on him and him alone.
MACS Offline
#77 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 1:31 PM EST
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^Hard to argue with that.
teedubbya Offline
#78 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 1:33 PM EST
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I'm fine with that. I guess in my rant it could be interpreted as trying to blame everyone (I'm not). In fact Tail you hit it about right. I said it above... it comes down to the nut. I do think our politics need to become more civil though.
teedubbya Offline
#79 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 1:35 PM EST
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And I am glad the perp has assumed room temperature and pray no one else does as a result of his nut-baggery
tailgater Offline
#80 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 1:39 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
... In fact Tail you hit it about right. I said it above... it comes down to the nut. .


So you're saying that when I said he's "Nuts", I took the word right outta your mouth...
teedubbya Offline
#81 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 1:44 PM EST
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why do I get the sense you are trying to give me the shaft?
tailgater Offline
#82 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 1:54 PM EST
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No.
Just thought it was funny that you had nuts in your mouth.
teedubbya Offline
#83 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 2:03 PM EST
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not the first, prolly not the last time.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#84 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 2:29 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I'm fine with that. I guess in my rant it could be interpreted as trying to blame everyone (I'm not). In fact Tail you hit it about right. I said it above... it comes down to the nut. I do think our politics need to become more civil though.


I misinterpreted the post then. Tail did hit it right too. Part of restoring a civil discourse is putting out the raging dumpster fire that our media outlets pour fire on. They're keeping people angry with their message.
DrafterX Offline
#85 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 2:38 PM EST
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I'm angry cause the Liberal Media & Hollywood made somebody else angry enough to go nuts on defenseless Congress peoples.. Mad
teedubbya Offline
#86 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 3:31 PM EST
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yea you are right. its all the fault of the commie libs and their front line... the press. too bad they can't be normal and decent and stuff like us
teedubbya Offline
#87 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 3:33 PM EST
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I don't know why I think of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_QLzthSkfM


^ thats for NINE!
DrafterX Offline
#88 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 3:36 PM EST
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why are they using the Frontline..?? Trifexis is da way to go... ThumpUp
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#89 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 5:02 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
This isn't a broad scope. It's not bigger than the individual. It's not partisan. It's not the weapon's fault. It's not the climate in the world today. It's not social media. It doesn't matter who he voted for. Or campaigned for.
It's actually quite simple.
Some nut-job decided to attempt mass murder.

Hi victims were chosen based on politics.
But his nut-baggery is 100% on him and him alone.


thank you.
frankj1 Offline
#90 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 5:06 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
What has happened to knowing the difference between right and wrong? Every day we hear of horrendous events in our country. It seems there are some people that no longer have a sense of morality.


probably very close to the definition of sociopath, maybe even paranoid schizophrenic.

these are people without political affiliations, despite their facebook posts and manifests left behind.
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#91 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 5:57 PM EST
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Nuts...bags...shafts...nut bags...shoot...nut...looks like there was a little positive that came out of the shooting...



I'd wager a $20 nutjob that we wouldn't be having this discussion, led by those on the right, if Pelosi had been shot...

...well, mebbe a post entitled "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead"...
MACS Offline
#92 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 7:05 PM EST
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I despise that woman, Al... but do you really think so poorly of me?

Well... maybe you're right. d'oh!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#93 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 8:14 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Nuts...bags...shafts...nut bags...shoot...nut...looks like there was a little positive that came out of the shooting...



I'd wager a $20 nutjob that we wouldn't be having this discussion, led by those on the right, if Pelosi had been shot...

...well, mebbe a post entitled "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead"...



Yeah...poor bullets.
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#94 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 9:04 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
I despise that woman, Al... but do you really think so poorly of me?

Well... maybe you're right. d'oh!

do people think that poorly of guys like me and Al?
MACS Offline
#95 Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017, 10:17 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
do people think that poorly of guys like me and Al?


Nope. I hang out with Al, and I'd hang out with you if you were closer.
frankj1 Offline
#96 Posted: Fri, Jun 16 2017, 7:32 AM EST
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I know, and agree.
But conservatives in general?
DrafterX Offline
#97 Posted: Fri, Jun 16 2017, 7:42 AM EST
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OhMyGod

How could you ask such a thing..?? We love you guys.. I might even take a bullet for ya... Think
DrafterX Offline
#98 Posted: Fri, Jun 16 2017, 7:44 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Nuts...bags...shafts...nut bags...shoot...nut...looks like there was a little positive that came out of the shooting...



I'd wager a $20 nutjob that we wouldn't be having this discussion, led by those on the right, if Pelosi had been shot...

...well, mebbe a post entitled "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead"...




And this is the discussion she wanted... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#99 Posted: Fri, Jun 16 2017, 7:48 AM EST
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And if Pelosi did go down it'd prolly be from one of her own... Mellow
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#100 Posted: Fri, Jun 16 2017, 12:09 PM EST
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...we should stop this speculative talk about people getting killed...there might be an unhinged lunatic lurking...and when he goes off, we'll all post that he seemed mild mannered and normal...
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