America's #1 Online Cigar Auction
first, best, biggest!

Last post 6 years ago by tailgater. 69 replies replies.
2 Pages12>
Senate healthcare bill draft is out.
Jump to Bottom | Previous Topic | Next Topic
Speyside Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 11:17 AM EST
Joined: 03-16-2015
Posts: 13,106
What do you think of it?
dstieger Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 11:18 AM EST
Joined: 06-22-2007
Posts: 10,889
Try not to judge....just gently praise it for coming out
MACS Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 11:32 AM EST
Joined: 02-26-2004
Posts: 79,773
Well, since I am totally against the government providing healthcare... it's safe to say I don't like it.

(haven't read it)
ZRX1200 Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 11:54 AM EST
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,599
Establishment will control this, change "enough" to claim defeat of Obama''s debacle......while we get socialist lite.
delta1 Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 12:26 PM EST
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,784
Haven't read it yet, but given that the Senate GOP have excluded Dems from the process and kept it hidden from view, causing blowback from some GOP, it prolly will be very much like the House's AHCA with a few minor tweaks... most likely will provide less health insurance at a higher cost for people who need it most, and some people will lose healthcare because it won't be affordable coupled with Medicaid expansion cut...gotta see what the CBO score says...

...oddly enough, the evil and rotten healthcare failure known as Obamacare is now more popular than ever, with three times as many people saying they prefer it over the House's GOP plan...proves why the GOP fought so hard against it...once you let people have a taste of real ice cream it's tough to sell them on the idea that ice cubes taste better...
rfenst Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 1:38 PM EST
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,302
MACS wrote:
Well, since I am totally against the government providing healthcare... it's safe to say I don't like it.

(haven't read it)


Does that include VA benefits?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 1:52 PM EST
Joined: 01-10-2012
Posts: 13,954
delta1 wrote:

...oddly enough, the evil and rotten healthcare failure known as Obamacare is now more popular than ever, with three times as many people saying they prefer it over the House's GOP plan...proves why the GOP fought so hard against it...once you let people have a taste of real ice cream it's tough to sell them on the idea that ice cubes taste better...


Well I'd prefer cancer to AIDS... doesn't mean cancer tastes like ice cream...
victor809 Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 1:57 PM EST
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
I dunno... depends on the cancer. I have a friend with hiv who's doing quite well....
rfenst Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 2:02 PM EST
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,302
GOP lacks the votes as of now.
SteveS Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 2:10 PM EST
Joined: 01-13-2002
Posts: 8,751
There is no way in hell for the government to "fix" health care ... an old RFP they issued called for the "I" key on all keyboards they purchase to come out as a "U" ...

Mark Twain once said:
"The mania for giving the Government power to meddle with the private affairs of cities or citizens is likely to cause endless trouble, through the rivaly of schools and creeds that are anxious to obtain official recognition, and there is great danger that our people will lose our independence of thought and action which is the cause of much of our greatness, and sink into the helplessness of the Frenchman or German who expects his government to feed him when hungry, clothe him when naked, to prescribe when his child may be born and when he may die, and, in fine, to regulate every act of humanity from the cradle to the tomb, including the manner in which he may seek future admission to paradise."
SteveS Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 2:12 PM EST
Joined: 01-13-2002
Posts: 8,751
victor809 wrote:
I dunno... depends on the cancer. I have a friend with hiv who's doing quite well....


Put the government in charge of his care and that will change ...
jjanecka Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 2:15 PM EST
Joined: 12-08-2015
Posts: 4,334
When did this come down to repeal and replace? I was rold it would simply be repeal...
MACS Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 2:20 PM EST
Joined: 02-26-2004
Posts: 79,773
rfenst wrote:
Does that include VA benefits?


Veterans have earned those 'benefits'. But since you asked... that's your single payer health care system, right there and it's an unmitigated disaster. Gov't controlled healthcare sucks.

I needed surgery on my shoulder and I had it done by Kaiser (my own insurance through work). A VA doctor hasn't touched me since I left the service and had my retirement physical done by them. They rated me at 30%. Since I'm not over 50%, whatever they give me in disability, they remove from my retirement... so in effect, I get a 30% tax break on my military retirement.

I've never gone to the VA to get my ID card, and I've never received services from them. In fact... since I've had surgery on a shoulder they rated as a service connected injury, I could go back and have my disability increased but I have not.

I see many cases of fraud with the VA. Retirees and vets I work with all talk to each other. I hear, "Tell them such and such, and you get --%." A co-worker recently told me, "I just got my 90%!" And I told him he was a fraud. How can you be 90% disabled and work, let alone in a jail?

That broke dick system right there is what ya'll want for the whole country... at the taxpayers' expense. Not only no, but hell no. What the hell ever happened to personal responsibility?? The gov't should not be in the business of providing people's basic needs.

1. it's basically rewarding bad behavior.
2. how can anyone not see that it's the gov't 'buying' votes with the promise of goods/services?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 2:20 PM EST
Joined: 01-10-2012
Posts: 13,954
victor809 wrote:
I dunno... depends on the cancer. I have a friend with hiv who's doing quite well....

Nut cancer... but just in one...
victor809 Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 2:41 PM EST
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
Steve... the government did provide for his care. He came to SF to get care from the clinic here (city funded) the instant he got diagnosed. I picked him up at the airport and he had severe pneumonia, could barely walk down a hallway... blood ox down at 85%...
A couple weeks of hospital stay later and he was able to recover.

Opel... agreed then.
DrafterX Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 2:47 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,548
Hitler only had one ball... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 3:34 PM EST
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
delta1 wrote:
Haven't read it yet, but given that the Senate GOP have excluded Dems from the process and kept it hidden from view, causing blowback from some GOP, it prolly will be very much like the House's AHCA with a few minor tweaks... most likely will provide less health insurance at a higher cost for people who need it most, and some people will lose healthcare because it won't be affordable coupled with Medicaid expansion cut...gotta see what the CBO score says...

...oddly enough, the evil and rotten healthcare failure known as Obamacare is now more popular than ever, with three times as many people saying they prefer it over the House's GOP plan...proves why the GOP fought so hard against it...once you let people have a taste of real ice cream it's tough to sell them on the idea that ice cubes taste better...


First paragraph: I agree

Second paragraph: Bwah ha ha! LOL! That's a hoot!

"3 times as popular?" To who? Nobody outside of congress has even read it.
Real ice cream? Dude, you could provide frozen cow **** and if you deliver it "free" they'll love it. Nothing whets the appetite like free.
ZRX1200 Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 3:36 PM EST
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,599
www.paul.senate.gov/news/press/sens-paul-cruz-johnson-and-lee-issue-joint-statement-on-senate-health-bill
DrafterX Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 3:49 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,548
Fix it.... we don't want no dead frogs... Not talking
delta1 Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 6:28 PM EST
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,784
tailgater wrote:
First paragraph: I agree

Second paragraph: Bwah ha ha! LOL! That's a hoot!

"3 times as popular?" To who? Nobody outside of congress has even read it.
Real ice cream? Dude, you could provide frozen cow **** and if you deliver it "free" they'll love it. Nothing whets the appetite like free.



My learned colleague, read that 2nd paragraph more closely: I wrote the "House's GOP " plan, passed by the House and proudly supported by Trump in the WH Rose Garden a couple of months ago... before he learned what was in it. He recently said it was "mean."


April 2017 Gallup poll showed 55% of Americans approve of Obamacare.

Mar 2017 Quinnipiac Poll shows American's approval rating for the GOP House's Affordable Health Care plan was 17%.

...so...more than 3 times more people like Obamacare than the GOP House's healthcare plan.

The Obamacare healthcare plans have minimum levels of coverage and require all plans to provide coverage to people with pre-existing conditions: ice cream...

The House GOP plan does NOT require healthcare insurance to provide minimum levels of coverage; does not require coverage for those with pre-existing conditions; and removes funding for subsidies (for Medicaid expansion and for health care premiums for low-income people) to help keep premium prices affordable, even for crap health insurance coverage: frozen cow **** (your words)

...so basically, the GOP wants Americans to PAY for frozen cow ****...NICE...
ZRX1200 Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 6:30 PM EST
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,599
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wxUyKxxGYKs
dstieger Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 6:32 PM EST
Joined: 06-22-2007
Posts: 10,889
I'm watiting to learn about the parts of the bill that address health care costs.
MACS Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Jun 22 2017, 7:51 PM EST
Joined: 02-26-2004
Posts: 79,773
Those 55% are the ones who stand to get free or reduced health care... while the other 45% get fucked sideways.

Awesome.
tailgater Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 8:12 AM EST
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185


Healthcare is a big chunk of money.
America has a big economy.

And get this: America has the highest percentage of healthcare cost to our GDP.

Let that sink in.

And then remind me why anyone thinks it's a good idea to let our Federal Government play insurance company.

We're $20T in debt because they don't know how to handle the things they were designed to do.
Now we're giving them another 17% of our economy?

No sane person who understands even basic math could possibly be in favor of such a thing.
And I apologize for using the liberal tactic of denigrating, but this is very straight forward.
tailgater Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 8:14 AM EST
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
MACS wrote:
Those 55% are the ones who stand to get free or reduced health care... while the other 45% get ****ed sideways.

Awesome.


Romney said it was 49%.
MACS Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 9:13 AM EST
Joined: 02-26-2004
Posts: 79,773
Is there anyone here that would argue that, by providing for peoples' basic needs - such as food, housing, and health care - the government is NOT, in essence, buying votes with taxpayer dollars?

Who here is willing to argue that? If you think that government "social programs" are not "buying votes" please... I would love to hear your argument.
DrafterX Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 9:16 AM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,548
If I woulda got my Obama phone I prolly woulda voted Hillary... Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 10:02 AM EST
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,599
MACS......they're paying for basic human rights...
Speyside Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 11:12 AM EST
Joined: 03-16-2015
Posts: 13,106
First Peter 3:8 “Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble.”

They are being compassionate. No one should starve to death, no should be homeless, no one should die due to lack of medical care.

But for the grace of God there go I.
DrafterX Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 11:16 AM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,548
If someone is truly f'd in da head or somethin and can't support himself then I agree, we need to help the dude out... but if some dude is an idiot and and got drunk and killed his family or somethin then maybe he should live on da streets... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 11:32 AM EST
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
There is no room in our civilized society for people living like animals on the street. It's unsanitary, reduces the quality of life for tax paying citizens. If you don't want to take care of them then take them out back and shoot them in the head. We at least provide that much dignity to our unwanted dogs.
MACS Offline
#32 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 11:34 AM EST
Joined: 02-26-2004
Posts: 79,773
1 Thes: 3:10 - For even while we were with you, we gave you this command: “If anyone is unwilling to work, he shall not eat.”

1 Thes 4:11 - and to aspire to live quietly, to attend to your own matters, and to work with your own hands, as we instructed you.

Prov: 13:4 - The soul of the sluggard craves and gets nothing, But the soul of the diligent is made fat.

I can quote scripture, as well, Spey. I am not saying WE should not help our fellow citizens, I am saying the GOV'T should not be doing it.
Buckwheat Offline
#33 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 11:43 AM EST
Joined: 04-15-2004
Posts: 12,251
ZRX1200 wrote:
MACS......they're paying for basic human rights...


Funny that I don't see healthcare and food listed in the constitution or bill of rights.
http://www.americansentinel.edu/blog/2011/09/07/how-the-constitution-protects-our-rights/
And yes MACS they are buying votes with our money. That's been going on since forever. fog

MACS Offline
#34 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 11:49 AM EST
Joined: 02-26-2004
Posts: 79,773
Buckwheat wrote:
Funny that I don't see healthcare and food listed in the constitution or bill of rights.
http://www.americansentinel.edu/blog/2011/09/07/how-the-constitution-protects-our-rights/
And yes MACS they are buying votes with our money. That's been going on since forever. fog



Jamie was being sarcastic, buddy. Laugh
Speyside Offline
#35 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 11:55 AM EST
Joined: 03-16-2015
Posts: 13,106
Serious question MACS. Should we let people die due to hunger, homelessness, lack of medical care, and whatever else?

I give donations to food pantries, and homeless shelters. I also am glad the government steps in.

My reason for quoting scripture is I think helping those less fortunate is the right thing to do. It is the Christian thing to do.
MACS Offline
#36 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 12:01 PM EST
Joined: 02-26-2004
Posts: 79,773
Speyside wrote:
Serious question MACS. Should we let people die due to hunger, homelessness, lack of medical care, and whatever else?

I give donations to food pantries, and homeless shelters. I also am glad the government steps in.

My reason for quoting scripture is I think helping those less fortunate is the right thing to do. It is the Christian thing to do.


Of course not. Once again, I am not saying we should not help the less fortunate, I am saying the government should not. We should also be holding people accountable for their poor decisions. The vast majority of homeless people put themselves in that situation through not just one bad decision, but a series of them. Alcohol, drugs, crime... etc. These people have families who are so done with their behavior that even they are unwilling to help.
DrafterX Offline
#37 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 12:04 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,548
We can't keep giving them fishes forever...Mellow
jjanecka Offline
#38 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 12:04 PM EST
Joined: 12-08-2015
Posts: 4,334
Spey, It's not possible to die of hunger, homelessness, and lack of medical care in America unless you allow yourself to die in that manner.

If you wanna get Biblical, we cannot justify helping the hypocrites on the streetcorner, the servants who buried their one gold coin, or the beggar who didn't open his mouth for a wedding garb any longer. It's time to send them to the place of wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mr. Jones Offline
#39 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 12:05 PM EST
Joined: 06-12-2005
Posts: 19,421
#5 delta1

+1 in total agreement with you, as usual
Why would anyone on God's green Earth tink the Republican party would provide better and cheaper healthcare to poor people than the Democrats....it just does not compute, the healthcare insurance industry is the biggest republican party supporter.

#13 MACS
WHAT ARE YOU CRYING ABOUT??? CHEATING THE SYSTEM??
YOU GET ENVELOPES OF UNDECLARED BLACKBUDGET CASH from the FBI-SSG DIVISION,
YOU ARE A FELON, whether you realize it or not is your problem.
I have more respect for the guy cheating the system than I do for gangstalking SSG COLLUDERS.
MACS Offline
#40 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 12:52 PM EST
Joined: 02-26-2004
Posts: 79,773
The resident lunatic just called me a felon.

I'm not certain if I should be insulted or flattered. Think

On a side note... The gov't doesn't pay me in cash. No envelopes, bro, it's direct deposit and very much declared and taxed.
DrafterX Offline
#41 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 12:55 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,548
Cause you gotta blame someone..
For your own confusion... Mellow
Buckwheat Offline
#42 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 1:09 PM EST
Joined: 04-15-2004
Posts: 12,251
MACS wrote:
The resident lunatic just called me a felon.

I'm not certain if I should be insulted or flattered. Think

On a side note... The gov't doesn't pay me in cash. No envelopes, bro, it's direct deposit and very much declared and taxed.


“How 'bout a shot of truth in that denial cocktail.” Beer
MACS Offline
#43 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 2:03 PM EST
Joined: 02-26-2004
Posts: 79,773
Buckwheat wrote:
“How 'bout a shot of truth in that denial cocktail.” Beer


Can you explain that? I'm not quite sure what you mean.
rfenst Offline
#44 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 2:31 PM EST
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,302
5 Republicans won't support the bill. Dead on arrival as it is presently written.
DrafterX Offline
#45 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 2:34 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,548
well, Repeal means Repeal.. not modify... dump it all and start over I say... nobody died cause they didn't have insurance before Obamacare came along... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#46 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 3:40 PM EST
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
People died from not having sufficient health care all the time... and it's hilarious. Technically people also die all the time from not having sufficient preventative care as well. Also hilarious.

Insurance is a cobbled together poorly contrived method the government attempted to make health care and preventative health care affordable for people to reduce the number that died simply because they couldn't afford it, or to reduce the impact they had on the system when the hospital would just give it to them (yeah... that's why you were paying 50$ for a tongue depressor)... that was much less amusing.

Now they are claiming that reducing this insurance assistance is helping people in some way. That's hilarious again.

Take the insurance away completely. That's fine with me. But someone better stay on top of cleaning the dead off the street and keeping the poor out of the hospitals. I don't want to have to see them.
Mr. Jones Offline
#47 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 5:05 PM EST
Joined: 06-12-2005
Posts: 19,421
#42 buckwheat
Thanks..
I think you have real "insight...inbetween
The lines and Navy Veteran smokescreen"

#43 MACS

ABOUT 8-14 months ago...

I Asked you how the SSG PAID YOU?
In C.A.S.H. OR BOAT GAS CARDS?

You answered "in cash"...
With NO IMOGEES , NO SARCASM SIGNS , NO
LOL's AND NO JK's...
Side bars to let me know it was a joke.

So , I took you on what you said as... truth...


You sound like a " truly coached SSG POS" the way you treat me on here...

Perhaps ? Your not an SSG POS...

NOW IS YOUR TIME TO CHANGE YOUR PREVIOUS ANSWER... OR GIVE ME " a coached and directed
Response from your SSG Handler...who pays you
IN C.A.S.H."

Either way, your one of the few level headed hard working guys on here...who lives on the west coast
who may need extra cash for very little time and risk...I really can't blame you...But if you are a LYING
SSG COWARD HACK? Have the BALLS to own up on it... ( But remember , your COWARD handlers
NEVER BREAK COVER , AND MAY CUT OFF YOUR CASH).

Oh yea,
ANYBODY WHO PARTICIPATES IN ORGANIZED GANGSTALKING WHETHER PHYSICAL OR ELECTRONCALLY...
IS
A
*****IN
LOW-LIFE
FELON
CRIMINAL
DrafterX Offline
#48 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 5:12 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,548
No insurance is not a disease...Not talking
ZRX1200 Offline
#49 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 5:19 PM EST
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,599
This got better..


Julian, as MACS said I was being sarcastic.

Post #2 is my nomination for funniest post of the year.

Jonsie, who wrote Obummercare? INSURANCE COMPANIES.
2 wings. Same schïtty bird.....we're destroying this nation with debt and are damning or future progeny.
delta1 Offline
#50 Posted: Fri, Jun 23 2017, 5:38 PM EST
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,784
So many myths by the right about Obamacare...the most glaring and false one is that it gave free health care to all who didn't have it before. Not true: only people who had income less than 133% of the poverty line/those who qualified for Medicaid got free insurance...about 15% of Americans...

At least MACS is honest...if you can't afford healthcare insurance, don't get sick...that's basically the GOP stance, but they use flowery language to fool the gullible people(their voters) that the frozen cow **** they are proposing to replace Obamacare ice cream will be better for everybody...

The GOP won't say anything about how the rich, who already have the best health insurance, will stand to benefit the most because they will get a huge tax-cut from the bill...NOT just MEAN...also HEARTLESS...
Users browsing this topic
Guest
2 Pages12>
Back to Top