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delta1 Offline
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Contrary to popular belief around here, the left doesn't own a monopoly on potentially deadly lunatics...


http://www.foxla.com/news/local-news/264249300-story

A Trump supporter was arrested after brandishing a firearm after a political rally regarding sanctuary cities...
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really..?? Self defense all the way on that one man... Not talking
MACS Offline
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Retired peace officer, carrying legally, didn't shoot anyone... only took his gun out when his car was surrounded.

Nice try, though.

On an unrelated note... you want to go fishing on Saturday? I plan on taking the boat out looking for tuna/yellowtail under kelp paddies.
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MACS wrote:
Retired peace officer, carrying legally, didn't shoot anyone... only took his gun out when his car was surrounded.

Nice try, though.

On an unrelated note... you want to go fishing on Saturday? I plan on taking the boat out looking for tuna/yellowtail under kelp paddies.

Are kelp paddies anything like cow patties?d'oh!
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Are kelp paddies anything like cow patties?d'oh!

city boy.
DrafterX Offline
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Yep.. kelp paddies are kinda like crab cakes... Mellow
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http://btb.fishing/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Paddy03-TnT-KelpPaddy.jpg

Free-floating kelp, out in the ocean, under which small bait fish hide. When you have little fish... they attract big fish. Most of the time, big fish can be found around kelp paddies.
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Macs likes tuna with his kelp patties.. Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
Macs likes tuna with his kelp patties.. Mellow


Hellz to the yes.
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health food!
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delta1 wrote:
Contrary to popular belief around here, the left doesn't own a monopoly on potentially deadly lunatics...


http://www.foxla.com/news/local-news/264249300-story

A Trump supporter was arrested after brandishing a firearm after a political rally regarding sanctuary cities...


Being a tad bit dramatic aren't you?

A bunch of people approach his car and attempt to block him in. So he draws a weapon and tells them to back off. Anywhere but California and the people surrounding the car would have been arrested.
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When it gets real hot some of the lakes get blue algae.. might be good with some tuna.. Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
When it gets real hot some of the lakes get blue algae.. might be good with some tuna.. Mellow


Prolly go better with waffles.
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Here in Portland they arrested a dude who drew his (legal CCH holder) glock when he got surrounded by BLM protesters. And they convicted him! Fugging northern Oregon man.....
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Here in Portland they arrested a dude who drew his (legal CCH holder) glock when he got surrounded by BLM protesters. And they convicted him! Fugging northern Oregon man.....


Liberal mindset. He should have taken an ass whooping from the crowd, apologized to them, then gave them all hugs before he left to seek medical attention.
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#14 ^^^ that is bullcrap, a threatening mob out numbering him and he gets arrested?
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Mr. Jones wrote:
#14 ^^^ that is bullcrap, a threatening mob out numbering him and he gets arrested?



Yup....something seriously wrong there!!!!! Un- Fing believable
delta1 Offline
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No problem with people going to a political rally and speaking their minds. Open debate should be encouraged. But civility should prevail. Pro Trump protesters have attended numerous events in "sanctuary cities" in SoCal, where rallies in support of efforts to assist illegal immigrants were being held. On many occasions they have been disruptive, confrontational, and some have been arrested for disturbing the peace.

When a person attends a rally with the intent to vocally disagree, and to loudly challenge those speaking, and to disrupt the event, the expectation is that there may be loud and vocal opposition. We witnessed many such confrontations during Trump rallies, where outspoken anti-Trump people were threatened, yelled at, pushed, spat upon, physically attacked with fists and kicks, all while the man at the mike said "beat the crap out of him", "take him out on a stretcher" and other incendiary statements to quell opposing viewpoints with threats of violence.

A man with a concealed handgun who attends a political rally and vocally opposes and disrupts the event and then has an expected confrontation afterwards, and instead of driving away from hostile people, but drives towards them while waving his gun...should know better and should be arrested.

Although it is a non-issue in this case, a CCW isn't a license to behave recklessly and then brandish a firearm when a ruckus happens. Nor did I find any mention that the suspect was a retired LEO, except at a web-site posted by an organizer of anti-sanctuary city protest groups who were acquaintances of the man and others who were in the car at the time of the confrontation and the arrests. I would expect a rational retired LEO would have more common sense...
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so these people who are upset because the city is harboring criminals are the bad guys.... Think
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delta1 wrote:
No problem with people going to a political rally and speaking their minds. Open debate should be encouraged. But civility should prevail. Pro Trump protesters have attended numerous events in "sanctuary cities" in SoCal, where rallies in support of efforts to assist illegal immigrants were being held. On many occasions they have been disruptive, confrontational, and some have been arrested for disturbing the peace.

When a person attends a rally with the intent to vocally disagree, and to loudly challenge those speaking, and to disrupt the event, the expectation is that there may be loud and vocal opposition. We witnessed many such confrontations during Trump rallies, where outspoken anti-Trump people were threatened, yelled at, pushed, spat upon, physically attacked with fists and kicks, all while the man at the mike said "beat the crap out of him", "take him out on a stretcher" and other incendiary statements to quell opposing viewpoints with threats of violence.

A man with a concealed handgun who attends a political rally and vocally opposes and disrupts the event and then has an expected confrontation afterwards, and instead of driving away from hostile people, but drives towards them while waving his gun...should know better and should be arrested.

Although it is a non-issue in this case, a CCW isn't a license to behave recklessly and then brandish a firearm when a ruckus happens. Nor did I find any mention that the suspect was a retired LEO, except at a web-site posted by an organizer of anti-sanctuary city protest groups who were acquaintances of the man and others who were in the car at the time of the confrontation and the arrests. I would expect a rational retired LEO would have more common sense...


That's interesting because I don't recall too many incidents where trouble makers attending Trump rallies got roughed up. And let's be honest like we continue to see...the media also only covers what they see fit to cover based on their narrative. Many Trump supporters were attacked by the " mild mannered Dems "

I hope our President withholds big sums of cash from your home state until which time your elected officials show a willingness to UPHOLD our countries LAWS regarding immigration.


The only assistance the Illegal Invaders should be receiving is a ticket back to Mother Mexico. The Democratic party and it's followers know nothing of civility
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During the campaign, I did notice a difference in the coverage. There were numerous days when CNN showed anti-Trump people confronted and attacked outside of Trump rallies. The confrontations were especially violent when anti-Trump people got into the venue and made their presence known: punches, spitting, shoving and pushing, some all-out brawls, with the miscreant(s) usually hauled out by security/law enforcement, often bloodied.

Did you see the incident where Corey Lewandowski, Trump's campaign manager, grabbed a female reporter (a Breitbart reporter, of all things) by the upper arm and forcibly pushed her away from Trump? She filed charges, he denied touching her until the video came out, the prosecutor later dropped the charges. Lewandowski apparently apologized to her...

All of these events got played in most news reports, local, cable and national, with one exception...


Did you hear about the GOP House candidate in Montana body slamming a reporter for asking him a question? He won, even though he was charged with battery...

Civility IS needed...both sides...
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Reporters aren't humans. They're lower than politicians.
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Yea that's useful
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That statement certainly helps explain a lot of the problems we have today
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It Can't Happen Here

Sinclair Lewis 1935
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frankj1 wrote:
It Can't Happen Here

Sinclair Lewis 1935


......But It Could Happen There, And If You Go There, Then There Would Be Here, And Then It Could Happen Here

Rick Amann 7/2/2017

Punctuation doesn't count, does it? Think Anxious
RMAN4443 Offline
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Anxious double post
frankj1 Offline
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RMAN4443 wrote:
......But It Could Happen There, And If You Go There, Then There Would Be Here, And Then It Could Happen Here

Rick Amann 7/2/2017

Punctuation doesn't count, does it? Think Anxious

good point.
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frankj1 wrote:
good point.

......well,its A point anyway Anxious
TMCTLT Offline
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delta1 wrote:
No problem with people going to a political rally and speaking their minds. Open debate should be encouraged. But civility should prevail. Pro Trump protesters have attended numerous events in "sanctuary cities" in SoCal, where rallies in support of efforts to assist illegal immigrants were being held. On many occasions they have been disruptive, confrontational, and some have been arrested for disturbing the peace.

When a person attends a rally with the intent to vocally disagree, and to loudly challenge those speaking, and to disrupt the event, the expectation is that there may be loud and vocal opposition. We witnessed many such confrontations during Trump rallies, where outspoken anti-Trump people were threatened, yelled at, pushed, spat upon, physically attacked with fists and kicks, all while the man at the mike said "beat the crap out of him", "take him out on a stretcher" and other incendiary statements to quell opposing viewpoints with threats of violence.

A man with a concealed handgun who attends a political rally and vocally opposes and disrupts the event and then has an expected confrontation afterwards, and instead of driving away from hostile people, but drives towards them while waving his gun...should know better and should be arrested.

Although it is a non-issue in this case, a CCW isn't a license to behave recklessly and then brandish a firearm when a ruckus happens. Nor did I find any mention that the suspect was a retired LEO, except at a web-site posted by an organizer of anti-sanctuary city protest groups who were acquaintances of the man and others who were in the car at the time of the confrontation and the arrests. I would expect a rational retired LEO would have more common sense...




So I'm curious Al....is it considered " reckless " or " confrontational " for these Illegal Invaders to carry signs while standing on OUR States Capitol steps (pick a state...certainly happens here and in Texas) that read:

HERE ILLEGALLY AND STAYING!!!!

I think if everyone here were being honest about the subject of immigration.... of course we'd all be hard pressed to say were NOT all descendants of immigrants if not one ourselves. That being said we also ALL KNOW there's a legal and honorable way in which to achieve this....THEY'RE NO LONGER INTERESTED IN THAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP and many of our representatives aren't either!!!!


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legality aside (certainly it is an important argument) but if businesses were being penalized for hiring illegal/undocumented workers, the issue would be minor.

Already the fear of being caught and deported has made it stressful on seasonal businesses in New England. tg can probably correct me or back me up regarding Cape Cod, but I hear over and over again that restaurants/hotels, etc. are unable to hire enough laborers to fill out their staffs.

Waiters/waitresses are probably still arriving from Ireland and Bulgaria, mostly college kids, but kitchen and clean up jobs go unfilled.

I was just on a golf trip in Vermont and heard about difficulties in hiring maid staff to get the rooms cleaned in the hotels.

It does raise anger to think people come here for handouts, but I believe it is fairly well documented that the vast majority are taking jobs that American kids refuse...

Illegal is illegal, they can be sent back I suppose. But while our industries that depend on an unskilled or low paying work force will simply replace workers with more illegals, perhaps those outraged by this should consider killing the head of the beast...those who write and sign pay checks.

I wish it was easy to get all of us on the same page, but for now I just want my lawn service guy to be able to take care of my yard, and I want to get good service at restaurants...cuz I am a member of the Consumers Club of America.

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So you're saying it's ok to hire illegals so your vacations are comfortable?
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Abrignac wrote:
So you're saying it's ok to hire illegals so your vacations are comfortable?



That's kinda what I got...well that and cut his grass. Whistle

And I'm sorry Frank but for me.....I CANNOT put the " legality part " aside, not even for a minute. We either are or are not a country of Law.....and if we're not then the rest of us need to know so we too can stop caring about them.
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TMCTLT wrote:
So I'm curious Al....is it considered " reckless " or " confrontational " for these Illegal Invaders to carry signs while standing on OUR States Capitol steps (pick a state...certainly happens here and in Texas) that read:

HERE ILLEGALLY AND STAYING!!!!

I think if everyone here were being honest about the subject of immigration.... of course we'd all be hard pressed to say were NOT all descendants of immigrants if not one ourselves. That being said we also ALL KNOW there's a legal and honorable way in which to achieve this....THEY'RE NO LONGER INTERESTED IN THAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP and many of our representatives aren't either!!!!




It has been long established, by decisions of the US Supreme Court, that all persons in the US, including illegal immigrants are protected by the US Constitution, so although misguided and offensive, those sign carriers have the right to do that, just as people have the right to wear US flags and carry signs saying "go home Rapists and Murderers". Neither one is protected if they behave violently or commit any other crime while exercising those Constitutional rights.
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sorry, gents, read it without the bad joke last line.

The majority won't come here if no one hires them...hence my "kill the head of the beast" phrase. Probably would be more effective and more efficient to penalize those who encourage cheap labor to cross the border...call it aiding and abetting a crime or some such legal term. It's worse actually, it is enticing.

Now that there is fear of deportation, these jobs are going unfilled, proving that they weren't taking our jobs away in the first place. There will be a domino effect on the economy.

Paul, I seem to recall that you risked and suffered personal financial loss by refusing to hire the types being hired by your competition. I admired that stance. But don't you feel that those principles should be law as well? Or at least enforced with some penalty to those hiring illegals? Wouldn't that have leveled the playing field for you to remain competitive?

Correct, you and Anth, politics can not be put aside. I guess I'm addressing the cause and effect of overlooking those laws and the results overlooking AND enforcing yield...not so easy to say which would be worse for our economy.
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frankj1 wrote:
sorry, gents, read it without the bad joke last line.

The majority won't come here if no one hires them...hence my "kill the head of the beast" phrase. Probably would be more effective and more efficient to penalize those who encourage cheap labor to cross the border...call it aiding and abetting a crime or some such legal term. It's worse actually, it is enticing.

Now that there is fear of deportation, these jobs are going unfilled, proving that they weren't taking our jobs away in the first place. There will be a domino effect on the economy.

Paul, I seem to recall that you risked and suffered personal financial loss by refusing to hire the types being hired by your competition. I admired that stance. But don't you feel that those principles should be law as well? Or at least enforced with some penalty to those hiring illegals? Wouldn't that have leveled the playing field for you to remain competitive?

Correct, you and Anth, politics can not be put aside. I guess I'm addressing the cause and effect of overlooking those laws and the results overlooking AND enforcing yield...not so easy to say which would be worse for our economy.



Meh I knew what you meant. I just couldn't let that fast ball across the numbers go unchecked. It went over the green wall.
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delta1 wrote:
It has been long established, by decisions of the US Supreme Court, that all persons in the US, including illegal immigrants are protected by the US Constitution, so although misguided and offensive, those sign carriers have the right to do that, just as people have the right to wear US flags and carry signs saying "go home Rapists and Murderers". Neither one is protected if they behave violently or commit any other crime while exercising those Constitutional rights.



Yeah....there's been a lot of that. SCOTUS making law vs upholding law but that doesn't make it RIGHT. The framers were very clear that our constitution covered AMERICAN citizens.
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So we can discount Supreme Court decisions when we decide we know better?
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Abrignac wrote:
Meh I knew what you meant. I just couldn't let that fast ball across the numbers go unchecked. It went over the green wall.

I just wasn't sure, but shoulda known, ya bastid.

Though it would suck to see some fave spots on the Cape close down, especially with a line down the block waiting to get in.

Heard an interesting thing on NPR today, missed a bit of it but it dealt with h2b and j1 visas. Cape Cod businesses were the focus, impossible to fill positions with 6 month legal workers (limited placements allowed as Congress changed rules) so some turn to foreign college students, but the season goes to mid October.

Let's face it, everything is built upon the backs of cheap unskilled labor, and much like a house built on a poorly constructed foundation, without them the economy collapses as businesses are forced to close...ironically in a time of plenty!

Some hate those workers, many of whom came legally as visitors but illegally stayed (ain't no wall tall enough to stop that) but I point at business owners as the cause.

In retrospect, I guess it's true that it isn't politics aside, because these Captains of Free Enterprise select our political leaders to do their bidding for them.
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frankj1 wrote:
I just wasn't sure, but shoulda known, ya bastid.

Though it would suck to see some fave spots on the Cape close down, especially with a line down the block waiting to get in.

Heard an interesting thing on NPR today, missed a bit of it but it dealt with h2b and j1 visas. Cape Cod businesses were the focus, impossible to fill positions with 6 month legal workers (limited placements allowed as Congress changed rules) so some turn to foreign college students, but the season goes to mid October.

Let's face it, everything is built upon the backs of cheap unskilled labor, and much like a house built on a poorly constructed foundation, without them the economy collapses as businesses are forced to close...ironically in a time of plenty!

Some hate those workers, many of whom came legally as visitors but illegally stayed (ain't no wall tall enough to stop that) but I point at business owners as the cause.

In retrospect, I guess it's true that it isn't politics aside, because these Captains of Free Enterprise select our political leaders to do their bidding for them.



Perhaps part of the problem lies in the amount and ease at which one receives Government assistance. I suspect if 47% of the population wasn't able to get handouts, they would be willing to: 1) earn their income and 2) seek to upgrade their marketable skills. Absent cheap alien labor, businesses would have to pay more competitive wages to attract workers.

Win-win.
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I kinda support more competitive wages as the answer.
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Abrignac wrote:
Perhaps part of the problem lies in the amount and ease at which one receives Government assistance. I suspect if 47% of the population wasn't able to get handouts, they would be willing to: 1) earn their income and 2) seek to upgrade their marketable skills. Absent cheap alien labor, businesses would have to pay more competitive wages to attract workers.

Win-win.




Yessir on all counts!!!
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Thought Hillary wrecked the clown car, injuring all of the jokers.
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lol...

a majority of the 47% are employed, but barely earn enough to clear the poverty line, so they qualify for some type of federal/state assistance...it is a myth (or exaggeration...or fantasy...or lie) that nearly half of all Americans are lounging around on the gubment dime... our economy has shifted from manufacturing to low-paying service type jobs...
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delta1 wrote:
lol...

a majority of the 47% are employed, but barely earn enough to clear the poverty line, so they qualify for some type of federal/state assistance...it is a myth (or exaggeration...or fantasy...or lie) that nearly half of all Americans are lounging around on the gubment dime... our economy has shifted from manufacturing to low-paying service type jobs...


Perhaps if they put more focus on making themselves marketable their life would be more prosperous. Pair that with bringing jobs back for overseas and the future is much brighter.

I'll give you two examples.

1) In the aftermath of the flood, I started a construction business since the pickle market floated away. I had a young man working for me. I paid him $100 a day cash. Every AM I drove 30 miles round trip to pick him up. In the afternoon I did the same thing. I also bought him breakfast and lunch everyday. I bought all the tools he needed to do the work we were doing. On day we were hired to install industrial metal pipe shelving for a large auto parts store. It required climbing 20' on ladders to install. We worked one day. I picked him up the next morning and he smelled like he'd been to a reefer fire. I told him to get out and haven't talked to him since.

2) On any given morning if you rode by Home Depot on Coursey in Baton Rouge you would find 30+ (no mistype) illegals sitting under the oak trees waiting for someone to offer them work. By noon, they would be gone. I saw many picked up by local contractors to work. However, you wouldn't find locals out waiting for those jobs.

If people want to work, there are jobs to be had. It may not pay $100k a year, but it will pay the bills and buy groceries.
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Abrignac wrote:
If people want to work, there are jobs to be had. It may not pay $100k a year, but it will pay the bills and buy groceries.



You would be 100% correct.
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I agree there are plenty of jobs... but part of the problem (only part mind you) is that many of these jobs aren't paying enough to live off (ie it won't pay the bills and buy groceries)... I suppose it's different in Louisiana but $100/day will just barely cover rent on a small (400sq ft) 1br in SF.

Don't get me wrong... people need to work these jobs to get the skills to be able to get jobs later in.life that can pay their rent... but we have a gap now where people are getting these low pat jobs much later in their lives when they are supposed to be established. Maybe there is a gap in skill training...
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victor809 wrote:
I agree there are plenty of jobs... but part of the problem (only part mind you) is that many of these jobs aren't paying enough to live off (ie it won't pay the bills and buy groceries)... I suppose it's different in Louisiana but $100/day will just barely cover rent on a small (400sq ft) 1br in SF.

Don't get me wrong... people need to work these jobs to get the skills to be able to get jobs later in.life that can pay their rent... but we have a gap now where people are getting these low pat jobs much later in their lives when they are supposed to be established. Maybe there is a gap in skill training...



$1200 a month down here will get you a 1500 sqft 3 BR 2 BA house on a 60 x 120 lot in a virtually crime free neighborhood. So $500 a week that includes transportation to and fro plus 10 meals a week is money for a 22 year old Jr high dropout.
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Frank, it's not that Americans won't work the jobs.
On the Cape, it's that the owners keep kids hours so low that my kids have 2 jobs each this summer. 18 hours won't cut it if they're going to save money AND have fun.
And because minimum wage is so high already, nobody wants to work the crappy jobs for the same pay they'd get doing the easier jobs.
Why get $11/hour to clean crap stains from hotel sheets when you get the same $11 to scan groceries and flirt with the bagger?
If we have no illegals to accept the low pay crappy jobs, then the pay rates for the crappy jobs go UP. I don't know why otherwise intelligent people don't understand supply/demand.
The cashier will still make minimum (whatever that is) but the ditch digger and crap cleaner will make more. And the skilled labor will make more than that. And the degreed manager even more still.

And if immigrants are needed then we should bring them here legally. Like our laws are designed to do.

There is no gray area on this one.
Illegals are NOT needed in this part of the country.

YMMV.



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yet even the legal supply has been greatly reduced...
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