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tailgater Offline
#51 Posted: Sun, Jul 9 2017, 10:51 AM EST
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Not sure what you mean.
Have legal visas been reduced?
tailgater Offline
#52 Posted: Mon, Jul 10 2017, 2:47 PM EST
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Ahh.
I see what Frank is talking about.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2017/07/09/worker-shortage-continues-cape-employers-stretched-limit/NHZUyrFUtffddDX1ir3AMN/story.html?s_campaign=breakingnews:newsletter

The Boston Globe has written an article that blames government for tough times on the Cape and Islands.

Maybe in the cited towns of Wellfleet or Nantucket it's a problem. Towns with a bustling tourism that dwarfs the supply of local help.
But if a business can't keep good help it's because of supply/demand, not because we don't allow enough immigrants into the state.
Pay more and you'll see good workers travel to Wellfleet. Maybe not the island nation of Nantucket, but certainly to those towns on our floating peninsula.


Like I said previously, these types of service industries purposely hire part time help. My kids would rather work more hours at one job then to deal with the scheduling conflicts required when working two part time jobs.
The article is misleading and chooses to make the facts fit their agenda.
Give me the names of establishments in the living towns of the Upper Cape.

I don't want MY kid to have less hours because somebody felt it was better to bring in foreign help for less money.
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#53 Posted: Mon, Jul 10 2017, 6:42 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Ahh.
I see what Frank is talking about.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2017/07/09/worker-shortage-continues-cape-employers-stretched-limit/NHZUyrFUtffddDX1ir3AMN/story.html?s_campaign=breakingnews:newsletter

The Boston Globe has written an article that blames government for tough times on the Cape and Islands.

Maybe in the cited towns of Wellfleet or Nantucket it's a problem. Towns with a bustling tourism that dwarfs the supply of local help.
But if a business can't keep good help it's because of supply/demand, not because we don't allow enough immigrants into the state.
Pay more and you'll see good workers travel to Wellfleet. Maybe not the island nation of Nantucket, but certainly to those towns on our floating peninsula.


Like I said previously, these types of service industries purposely hire part time help. My kids would rather work more hours at one job then to deal with the scheduling conflicts required when working two part time jobs.
The article is misleading and chooses to make the facts fit their agenda.
Give me the names of establishments in the living towns of the Upper Cape.

I don't want MY kid to have less hours because somebody felt it was better to bring in foreign help for less money.






never saw the Globe article. NPR interviewed restaurant/hotel owners and managers and I'll have to research who was from the gov't commenting about H2B and J1 changes...not cuts, but changes. many Cape employers applied in tim ean d properly and still got half of what they were looking for despite proper paperwork.

But now I'm wondering how to explain why the local kids willing to work can't get enough hours. Why prefer part time when your biz needs more help?
tailgater Offline
#54 Posted: Mon, Jul 10 2017, 9:35 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
never saw the Globe article. NPR interviewed restaurant/hotel owners and managers and I'll have to research who was from the gov't commenting about H2B and J1 changes...not cuts, but changes. many Cape employers applied in tim ean d properly and still got half of what they were looking for despite proper paperwork.

But now I'm wondering how to explain why the local kids willing to work can't get enough hours. Why prefer part time when your biz needs more help?


Exactly!
Businesses want the foreign help because it's cheaper.
So they complain about government cutting back on visas.

So now we have fledgling restaurant owners.

Thank you $11 minimum wage.

The bar has been raised. And you can't put the toothpaste back into the tube.
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#55 Posted: Mon, Jul 10 2017, 9:48 PM EST
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I don't disagree with tail about minimum wage being an issue. (Someone go wake tail up... I think he fainted)

We saw much the same problem in the care facility. It was maybe 20min outside Seattle (where a $15 min wage was) and the facility couldn't keep workers. Why would you do hard, depressing work frequently expose yourself to bodily fluids for $15/hr when you could get the same amount flippijng burgers and flirting with your coworkers. Granted, I think they should have paid a lot more for their employees than they did. But because of their crappy pay we had to hire our own people to supplement their workers.
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#56 Posted: Mon, Jul 10 2017, 10:14 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Exactly!
Businesses want the foreign help because it's cheaper.
So they complain about government cutting back on visas.

So now we have fledgling restaurant owners.

Thank you $11 minimum wage.

The bar has been raised. And you can't put the toothpaste back into the tube.




the twist is they did not cut back, may have increased visas, actually. see if you can find the radio report. I have a flip phone, nuff said?

But either way, we still hear that the illegals are stealing our jobs, you and I are both pointing out the American kids don't want those particular jobs, the jobs remain unfilled now and businesses suffer...economy suffers.
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#57 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 12:59 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
the twist is they did not cut back, may have increased visas, actually. see if you can find the radio report. I have a flip phone, nuff said?

But either way, we still hear that the illegals are stealing our jobs, you and I are both pointing out the American kids don't want those particular jobs, the jobs remain unfilled now and businesses suffer...economy suffers.


I'm saying that government intervention is the reason the economy "suffers".
And although I didn't mention it, the illegal workers do factor in as well.
I worked several summers doing construction and landscaping jobs. Made over minimum wage because the work was hard. Got all the hours I wanted.
That opportunity isn't available to kids in this region any more. You might want to blame the kids by saying they don't want those jobs, but I blame the government for being too involved with the market.

That's not to say that kids today have the strongest work ethic. I think the lack of hours is one way to buffer the impact that lazy and unreliable kids have on small businesses. So the employer hires 10 kids at 15 hours rather than 5 kids at 30 hours each.
I don't blame them.
I just find it disheartening that they'd rather whine about needing more foreign workers than to find a collective way to hire local help.
tailgater Offline
#58 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 1:01 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I don't disagree with tail about minimum wage being an issue. (Someone go wake tail up... I think he fainted)

We saw much the same problem in the care facility. It was maybe 20min outside Seattle (where a $15 min wage was) and the facility couldn't keep workers. Why would you do hard, depressing work frequently expose yourself to bodily fluids for $15/hr when you could get the same amount flippijng burgers and flirting with your coworkers. Granted, I think they should have paid a lot more for their employees than they did. But because of their crappy pay we had to hire our own people to supplement their workers.


I didn't faint. But I did gasp out loud.
frankj1 Offline
#59 Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017, 6:02 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I'm saying that government intervention is the reason the economy "suffers".
And although I didn't mention it, the illegal workers do factor in as well.
I worked several summers doing construction and landscaping jobs. Made over minimum wage because the work was hard. Got all the hours I wanted.
That opportunity isn't available to kids in this region any more. You might want to blame the kids by saying they don't want those jobs, but I blame the government for being too involved with the market.

That's not to say that kids today have the strongest work ethic. I think the lack of hours is one way to buffer the impact that lazy and unreliable kids have on small businesses. So the employer hires 10 kids at 15 hours rather than 5 kids at 30 hours each.
I don't blame them.
I just find it disheartening that they'd rather whine about needing more foreign workers than to find a collective way to hire local help.



that's moving toward my beliefs.
tailgater Offline
#60 Posted: Wed, Jul 12 2017, 11:58 AM EST
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I was there first!
teedubbya Offline
#61 Posted: Wed, Jul 12 2017, 12:00 PM EST
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Frank doesn't make you move a little?
tailgater Offline
#62 Posted: Wed, Jul 12 2017, 12:01 PM EST
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TW wants to move a little frank?
teedubbya Offline
#63 Posted: Wed, Jul 12 2017, 12:09 PM EST
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The word tripod translates to "boing" in Russian.
frankj1 Offline
#64 Posted: Wed, Jul 12 2017, 12:28 PM EST
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there's no such thing as a little "frank"
delta1 Offline
#65 Posted: Wed, Jul 12 2017, 3:04 PM EST
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yes there is...

https://vimeo.com/56939001
frankj1 Offline
#66 Posted: Wed, Jul 12 2017, 6:36 PM EST
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HA! I remember her. We worked together on my epic Three Tracks in the Snow.
I see she hasn't recovered. Sad, nice kid.

Oh, the "Little Frank" was an obvious joke that caught on with the film crew.

Thanks for remembering, Al.
teedubbya Offline
#67 Posted: Wed, Jul 12 2017, 6:56 PM EST
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My favorite was Abbie Costello meats Frankenstein. The stitches and bolts looked so real.
frankj1 Offline
#68 Posted: Wed, Jul 19 2017, 10:23 PM EST
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Adam Lucente
Cape Cod Times-
More Temp Work Visas OK'd

exerpts-
The annual cap of 66,000 H-2B visas was met in March, a record time.

(H-2B workers) can work longer time frames than college students.

(Due to shortages) some restaurants have closed for a day a week to give staff a day off, and some hotels have decommissioned rooms because they do not have enough cleaners.
delta1 Offline
#69 Posted: Wed, Jul 19 2017, 10:35 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
My favorite was Abbie Costello meats Frankenstein. The stitches and bolts looked so real.



Did you mean Abbott and Costello? They were some funny funny dudes...who's on first indeed...
teedubbya Offline
#70 Posted: Wed, Jul 19 2017, 10:42 PM EST
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No. I was thinking like romancing the bone.

Go back and re read knowing I intentionally meant a woman and misspelled meet
delta1 Offline
#71 Posted: Wed, Jul 19 2017, 10:57 PM EST
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d'oh!

LOL

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