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teedubbya Offline
#101 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 10:09 AM EST
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and since the meme was the reason they looked but the racist crap is the issue does that mean jj post racist crap?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#102 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 10:15 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
... it's not a 15 year old... it's a middle aged man. I thought we addressed this.

And I'm seeing what the problem is. You're jealous you didn't get dozed by cnn...

You mean roofied?
teedubbya Offline
#103 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 10:22 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
You mean roofied?



then fisted by a black male apparently
Mr. Jones Offline
#104 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 12:06 PM EST
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What the ****!!!
Is a meme?
teedubbya Offline
#105 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 12:07 PM EST
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its those "artists" that don't talk and walk against the wind and stuff wearing white make up
DrafterX Offline
#106 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 12:42 PM EST
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that would be gay... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#107 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 12:54 PM EST
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so who are we bashing here? CNN? Because they didn't ID some internet bigot troll who is an adult, not a 15 year old, who backed down and deleted his website full of his crap because CNN said they would ID him? Wonder who initiated that agreement? CNN would've outed him from the start, but my guess is that he begged them not to...
DrafterX Offline
#108 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 12:55 PM EST
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I heard CNN threatened to tell his momma... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#109 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 12:57 PM EST
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Why are bad people always so ascared of their mommas?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#110 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:01 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
so who are we bashing here? CNN? Because they didn't ID some internet bigot troll who is an adult, not a 15 year old, who backed down and deleted his website full of his crap because CNN said they would ID him? Wonder who initiated that agreement? CNN would've outed him from the start, but my guess is that he begged them not to...

pretty sure all parties involved deserve bashing... but a major news network threatening to dox a private citizen because he did something that hurt their feelings, that is the beginning of something much uglier and much more dangerous... think fox news doxing muslims living in the US after the next big terror attack... ugly...
teedubbya Offline
#111 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:05 PM EST
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other than that's likely not how it went down. They likely didn't threaten anything. A deal was struck fot the benefit of the bigot presumably and if he doesn't live up to his side of the deal the original situation exists. It's not hard to understand and happens every day. CNN actually is taking it on the chin when they simply could have and could publish. They really didn't gain anything and lost a lot in PR

I don't hear bigot dude asking for the deal to be broken. If it is his concern he could just start posting again or ask CNN to publish


this threat/blackmail narrative is garbage.
victor809 Offline
#112 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:07 PM EST
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... to be fair, if there were a Muslim involved in a news story most places would use their real name.

"We interviewed Mr Frank McMuslim about what it is like living in the USA following last week's terrorist attack."... doesn't seem like an odd thing.

CNN wasn't randomly doxxing internet trolls... they were identifying the one who was claiming to be the originator of a meme the president tweeted. Keep in mind HE claimed responsibility up to the point where the notoriety had a chance of people in the real world finding out what he says online. That's kind of messed up.
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#113 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:08 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
other than that's likely not how it went down. They likely didn't threaten anything. A deal was struck fot the benefit of the bigot presumably and if he doesn't live up to his side of the deal the original situation exists. It's not hard to understand and happens every day.

spin it how you want... even liberal media organizations saw cnn's statement for exactly what it was... a threat to dox this guy if he ever made fun of cnn again...
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#114 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:09 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
spin it how you want... even liberal media organizations saw cnn's statement for exactly what it was... a threat to dox this guy if he ever made fun of cnn again...



not so much. and I'm not spinning anything. I have no love or hate for CNN (can you say the same?). They gained nothing. There have been and still are plenty of memes against them and that wont change. They know that and are pro 1st amendment.
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#115 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:10 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
... to be fair, if there were a Muslim involved in a news story most places would use their real name.

"We interviewed Mr Frank McMuslim about what it is like living in the USA following last week's terrorist attack."... doesn't seem like an odd thing.

CNN wasn't randomly doxxing internet trolls... they were identifying the one who was claiming to be the originator of a meme the president tweeted. Keep in mind HE claimed responsibility up to the point where the notoriety had a chance of people in the real world finding out what he says online. That's kind of messed up.

turns out that's actually exactly what they were doing since this isn't even the guy who came up with the video, just someone who shared it...
jjanecka Offline
#116 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:10 PM EST
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Eventhough I generally do not post anonymously, I do believe anonymous activity should be protected by law providing that the person has done nothing illegal. Some people just don't have the mental and physical strength to defend themselves but they do have the right to free speech no matter how perverse, bigoted, or misogynistic it appears to be. Despite the fact that this person is a known active anti-semite, racist, bigot, et cetera the fact remains that exposing him means that later on they can censor other people for more reasonable things such as their religion, political leanings, or even just plain disagreement over any arbitrary case.
teedubbya Offline
#117 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:11 PM EST
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freedom of speech does not mean freedom from repercussions or personal responsibility. treat every email and every post as if the world will know it's you. they just might some day
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#118 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:13 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
not so much. and I'm not spinning anything. I have no love or hate for CNN. They gained nothing.

they thought they were gaining something... they thought they were showing the world that they flexed their muscle and silenced a troll... but it backfired and brought all the other trolls out of the woodwork... that's why they're playing victim now and you're apparently buying it...
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#119 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:13 PM EST
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CNN did the dude a favor...given the evolving hostile and belligerent nature of most anti-bigots (libtards) in the Trump era, as reported by Fox...lots of them are beating the crap outta pro-Trump peeps nowadays...does it seem as if somebody is ginning up a civil war?
teedubbya Offline
#120 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:14 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
they thought they were gaining something... they thought they were showing the world that they flexed their muscle and silenced a troll... but it backfired and brought all the other trolls out of the woodwork... that's why they're playing victim now and you're apparently buying it...



that's just dumb if they really thought that. I don't believe that at all. They contacted the dude about the story (routine) and he wanted it killed for his benefit. This other stuff is nonsense. It's a nice spin by CNN haters but doesn't pass the laugh test. It's just not logical.
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#121 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:15 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
freedom of speech does not mean freedom from repercussions or personal responsibility. treat every email and every post as if the world will know it's you. they just might some day

agreed... that's why cnn threatening someones life with doxing should be taken seriously, especially given how much violence we've seen from liberals over the last few months...
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#122 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:16 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
that's just dumb if they really thought that. I don't believe that at all. They contacted the dude about the story (routine) and he wanted it killed for his benefit. This other stuff is nonsense. It's a nice spin by CNN haters but doesn't pass the laugh test. It's just not logical.

bullsh*t... not at all what happened... stop listening to cnn...
teedubbya Offline
#123 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:16 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
agreed... that's why cnn threatening someones life with doxing should be taken seriously, especially given how much violence we've seen from liberals over the last few months...



no one is threatening anyones life and your spin (because you do hate cnn) is pretty hollow. It truly is info wars material.
teedubbya Offline
#124 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:17 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
bullsh*t... not at all what happened... stop listening to cnn...



I've not looked or listened to CNN. It is amazing how many assumptions about me you have made in this thread alone. All pretty much wrong. If that is what you need to do to support your position that is telling.

I do not support CNN

I could be wrong but I'm going with that one dudes razor thing and taking the most likely scenario. CNN playing bully to shut down memes is stupid. If they really did that they were completely retarded. It doesn't make sense. They can't stop anti cnn memes.

They researched this because of trump and made a deal to benefit the bigot.
jjanecka Offline
#125 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:20 PM EST
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TW is right, he's the one that made the video afterall...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#126 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:20 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
no one is threatening anyones life and your spin (because you do hate cnn) is pretty hollow. It truly is info wars material.

cnn published a story boasting about how they tracked down the guy that they thought made a video that trolled them... they further went on to boast that after contacting him and letting him know they knew who he was, he took down his account... then they finished by saying “CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change.”

there is literally no f*cking world in which outing the person who created this video qualifies as news... tmz doesn't resort to this trash... if you can't see that it's because you don't want to...
delta1 Offline
#127 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:21 PM EST
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...dayum...I'm gettin mad as hell...imabout to lose my mind...gotta go fishing...
teedubbya Offline
#128 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:21 PM EST
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jjanecka wrote:
TW is right, he's the one that made the video afterall...



keep trying but ultimately the rub isn't the video. that's why it's not about stopping CNN memes. thats not possible and they know that. The memes didn't start yesterday and will not end tomorrow. its intentional myopathy to support a skewed point.
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#129 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:22 PM EST
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What is the point? To outlaw racism? F'ck that...
teedubbya Offline
#130 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:23 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
cnn published a story boasting about how they tracked down the guy that they thought made a video that trolled them... they further went on to boast that after contacting him and letting him know they knew who he was, he took down his account... then they finished by saying “CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change.”

there is literally no f*cking world in which outing the person who created this video qualifies as news... tmz doesn't resort to this trash... if you can't see that it's because you don't want to...



They reported what happened in the daylight which in itself does not support blackmail. And yes it is news (as is the name) if you find the kind of garbage he was apparently posting and a connection to Trump. They also printed names of grand masters back in the day when discovered much to the dismay of the members.

Blame trump. Without him this wasn't news.
teedubbya Offline
#131 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:24 PM EST
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jjanecka wrote:
What is the point? To outlaw racism? F'ck that...


no one is outlawing anything..... DRAMA!
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#132 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:24 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I've not looked or listened to CNN. It is amazing how many assumptions about me you have made in this thread alone. All pretty much wrong. If that is what you need to do to support your position that is telling.

I do not support CNN

I could be wrong but I'm going with that one dudes razor thing and taking the most likely scenario. CNN playing bully to shut down memes is stupid. If they really did that they were completely retarded. It doesn't make sense. They can't stop anti cnn memes.

They researched this because of trump and made a deal to benefit the bigot.



"This line is being misinterpreted. It was intended only to mean we made no agreement w/the man about his identity." - andrew kaczynski
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#133 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:26 PM EST
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Opel... he created the video.

It just appears that there is someone close to Trump who took the video, cropped it etc and added sound then sent it directly to trumps iphone...

This is what should be more disturbing... that someone in the Trump inner circle went to the effort to make that video more Twitter friendly begore he posted it.
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#134 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:26 PM EST
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Opel... he created the video.

It just appears that there is someone close to Trump who took the video, cropped it etc and added sound then sent it directly to trumps iphone...

This is what should be more disturbing... that someone in the Trump inner circle went to the effort to make that video more Twitter friendly begore he posted it.
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#135 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:26 PM EST
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He says thatbnow after he extorted the poor bloak. I bet it was Hillary Clinton that posted it.
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#136 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:26 PM EST
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they agreed to not identify after he agreed to cease and desist. I don't know how direct or indirect the deal is but CNN retains the right to publish who he is if he continues. If he doesn't continue they likely won't (but still can) I'm not sure where you are going but it is amusing


He can continue..... or not
They can publish.... or not


The situation is not secret..... the name has not been released (for his benefit not cnns). Maybe they just should release it.... this really was not to their advantage
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#137 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:27 PM EST
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jjanecka wrote:
He says thatbnow after he extorted the poor bloak. I bet it was Hillary Clinton that posted it.



thats about as real as your other arguments on this lol
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#138 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:29 PM EST
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So it's 100% true or 100% false.... no one knows.
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#139 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:29 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Opel... he created the video.

It just appears that there is someone close to Trump who took the video, cropped it etc and added sound then sent it directly to trumps iphone...

This is what should be more disturbing... that someone in the Trump inner circle went to the effort to make that video more Twitter friendly begore he posted it.

first, no he didn't... he shared it, he took credit for it, but he didn't create it... ultimately, doesn't matter, just wanted you to be aware...

second, everything else you said sounds like news to me... like actual news... like that's what should be reported on... cuz it sounds like our tax dollars are paying government officials to troll cnn, and that's f*cked up cuz the rest of us are over here doing it for free... so I either want a check for my work, a refund for my taxes, or another obama phone... a red one...
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#140 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:30 PM EST
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jjanecka wrote:
So it's 100% true or 100% false.... no one knows.



You are right. Hillary did it.
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#141 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:30 PM EST
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And honestly... no one has a right to anonymity when they post something. You have a right to not post your personal information. But if you put enough crap on the internet to make it feasible to track who you are... and you post inflammatory enough crap that someone is curious who you are, you should be strong enough to accept the publicity.
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#142 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:31 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
they agreed to not identify after he agreed to cease and desist. I don't know how direct or indirect the deal is but CNN retains the right to publish who he is if he continues. If he doesn't continue they likely won't (but still can) I'm not sure where you are going but it is amusing


He can continue..... or not
They can publish.... or not


The situation is not secret..... the name has not been released. Maybe they just should release it.... this really was not to their advantage

my point is that everything you just said, cnn says is false... no agreement reached, no deal struck... so I apologize for accusing you of watching cnn... apparently you're just making this stuff up as you go...
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#143 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:33 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
And honestly... no one has a right to anonymity when they post something. You have a right to not post your personal information. But if you put enough crap on the internet to make it feasible to track who you are... and you post inflammatory enough crap that someone is curious who you are, you should be strong enough to accept the publicity.

agreed 100%... but if that someone who is curious is a person in position of power - police officer, judge, enormous news organization - and abuses that power to discover or disseminate that information, then I'd say there's a problem... that's like cyber-bullying on horse steroids...
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#144 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:35 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
my point is that everything you just said, cnn says is false... no agreement reached, no deal struck... so I apologize for accusing you of watching cnn... apparently you're just making this stuff up as you go...



I don't know if a formal "deal" was made but apparently there was an agreement (for the benefit of the bigot). Maybe it wasn't a legal deal or completely spelled out on both ends but it doesn't matter much to me. CNN is likely saying there is nothing binding which is likely true. At that point you are arguing minutia which distracts but doesn't add much.

And no I have not looked for CNNs take on it. I suspect it would be biased, or at least have that appearance, and I don't think they've really gone much beyond the original statement. thus I wouldn't completely hang my hat on it. The quit listenening to cnn thing is as old as quit listening to mort... its cheap

CNN chose to not publish for the benefit of the bigot presumably based on what he said and did. They still can if he continues (thus shows he doesn't mean what he said to them or said he would or wouldn't do) or just because they want to.

its not complicated or blackmail. and IDGAF about CNN. It just makes no sense that anyone would think they thought they could stop CNN memes. that's just silly (if cnn thought that). I don't think they are that stupid. you may. Alex Jones for 100 alex.
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#145 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:44 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I don't know if a formal "deal" was made but apparently there was an agreement (for the benefit of the bigot). Maybe it wasn't a legal deal or completely spelled out on both ends but it doesn't matter much to me. At that point you are arguing minutia which distracts but doesn't add much.

And no I have not looked for CNNs take on it. I suspect it would be biased, and I don't think they've really gone much beyond the original statement. thus I wouldn't completely hang my hat on it. The quit listenening to cnn thing is as old as quit listening to mort... its cheap

CNN chose to not publish for the benefit of the bigot presumably based on what he said and did. They still can if he continues (thus shows he doesn't mean what he said to them or said he would or wouldn't do)

its not complicated or blackmail. Alex Jones for 100 alex.


an enormous organization devoted an entire team to tracking down a private citizen who posted something critical of them...

they then threatened to expose (or said they wouldn't expose for now because they'd fallen in line) their personal information to a national audience...

you act like this great...
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#146 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:46 PM EST
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I saw some guys with CNN handles lurking around this thread... Think
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#147 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:50 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
an enormous organization devoted an entire team to tracking down a private citizen who posted something critical of them...

they then threatened to expose (or said they wouldn't expose for now because they'd fallen in line) their personal information to a national audience...

you act like this great...



I don't think or act like it's great. I don't really have a dog in the hunt. I don't love or hate cnn.


The President tweeted something unprecedented through the official Presidential account. CNN researched it as I would guess many other outlets are doing. In doing so they uncovered a person with apparently other bigoted posts etc... and maybe... links to the whitehouse. maybe not.

They contacted the individual (routine...just like they contact the white house following leaks to give them a chance to respond) to geve the bigot a chance to respond (journalism 101) and the exchange ended with CNN willing to not release the name (but not bound to in a "deal" or "agreement") and the person indicated remorse, or embarrassment, a desire not to be identified and that they would quit (but also not bound to a deal or agreement). Both can do whatever they like.

no threats... no trying to do the impossible in squashing memes....

but no not great. i wish the whole thing wasn't happening and we had an adult president that didn't tweet such things nad respected the office.


We will find out more. If it was blackmail or threat I'll admit that. I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong. It just doesn't add up though, and I suspect we will find that it wasn't like that at all. I'm just calling it as I see it, and what I think is down the middle but thats not tollerable when you hate an entity and it doesn't fit your agenda.
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#148 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:52 PM EST
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I wish we had an adult media that didn't generate blatantly false stories.
teedubbya Offline
#149 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:55 PM EST
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jjanecka wrote:
I wish we had an adult media that didn't generate blatantly false stories.


me to but we really never have.

rosebud.

don't mistake calling this like I see it as supporting CNN or the news media just like hating the news media should not drive you to accepting false stories that bag on them.

I'm beating a dead horse and it's getting repetitive. Meh lets see. I don't see any blackmail convictions coming anytime soon though.
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#150 Posted: Thu, Jul 6 2017, 1:58 PM EST
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I could care less honestly, other than the fact that a media outlet has more on their plate than bullying a private citizen.
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