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Buckwheat Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Jul 12 2017, 11:37 AM EST
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What say you?
victor809 Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Jul 12 2017, 12:03 PM EST
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I'm not certain... but I believe our internet providers (especially those with infrastructure like cable) already received local government money to entice them to install the necessary infrastructure to be able to sell us access.

If that's the case the desire to control what we can access and at what speed seems to be a bit of double dipping.
Speyside Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Jul 12 2017, 12:08 PM EST
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You sure he isn't talking about fishing nets in international waters?
bgz Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Jul 12 2017, 12:13 PM EST
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I'm mixed on it.

I think in general, net neutrality is a good idea. I don't think it's right for ISPs to be able to throttle bandwidth to content providers who don't pay.

I also think it should be the ISPs right to sell content delivery space on it's network for less latency for content providers if the content providers choose to pay for it.
victor809 Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Jul 12 2017, 12:20 PM EST
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Philosophically speaking all else being equal I agree that an access provider should be able to sell some sort of package to the consumer which allows the access provider to also make money by selling speeds to the information providers.

However, in the real world this is a little different.
1 - current packages are for internet access... not necessarily access provider curated internet access. If they want to sell a different (cheaper) package to throttle my Netflix down that's another story.

2 - the possibility of local or state government involvement in their infrastructure installation makes the conversation a little more iffy. They shouldn't be able to take money yo put in cable to then say they want to limit the service they took money to install.

3 -when the rubber really meets the road I'd be afraid what might happen. I think a move like this may turn the internet into just another Comcast venue.
jjanecka Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Jul 12 2017, 12:26 PM EST
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It's the only way to force the people into buying cable. They can shut down all other news than mainstream outlets and brainwash everyone. I think it's a turn for the worst.
bgz Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Jul 12 2017, 12:40 PM EST
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Let me clarify my position...

I'm anti-throttling (in any direction), just let the bits fly at the fastest speeds they can.

But it doesn't bother me if ISPs allow content providers to provide CDN access on their networks as a separate service. This does not inhibit the end user of the ISP from doing what they want with their connection. It does allow content providers to purchase lower latency connections / faster speeds on specific networks that they choose to buy this service on. All this does is help the end users of the ISP that subscribe to the content provider services.

I don't think the ISP should be allowed to provide exclusive CDN services as that would be an anti-competitive practice.
jjanecka Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Jul 12 2017, 1:21 PM EST
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That sounds pretty reasonable actually. If they were to go this route it wouldn't be terrible.
frankj1 Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Jul 12 2017, 6:24 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I'm not certain... but I believe our internet providers (especially those with infrastructure like cable) already received local government money to entice them to install the necessary infrastructure to be able to sell us access.

If that's the case the desire to control what we can access and at what speed seems to be a bit of double dipping.

was that the 42 BILLION dollars thing?
Bluedevil Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Jul 12 2017, 6:30 PM EST
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Hows it going Julian????
Stinkdyr Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Jul 13 2017, 2:27 PM EST
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If you like the way the internet is now, essentially an open democratic, warts and all, envrionment.........then you like net neutrality.

If you would rather have Big Gubment and Big Corporations collude to charge you more $ to tell you what is good for you...then you want the other choice.

Beer
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Jul 13 2017, 2:56 PM EST
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Think
so, if I like my internet I can keep my internet..?? Huh
Stinkdyr Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Jul 13 2017, 3:32 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Think
so, if I like my internet I can keep my internet..?? Huh



Does sorta sound like the Big Gubment/AMA Union/Pharma complex rape and pillage the healthcare industry performs on us now.

Think
bgz Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Jul 13 2017, 3:55 PM EST
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Basically without net neutrality, ISPs could promote their own content services while denying other content providers from putting CDN nodes on their network.

They could throttle bandwidth to some content providers while providing a "fast lane" (non-throttled) access to others.

It would allow them to block services all together.

They could get very creative in their ways to pushing you to certain services depending on which content providers pay.

So, your internet will be your internet, but if Netflix decides not to pay, then the ISP would be able to throttle your connection to Netflix servers thus degrading your services to Netflix, then they would blame Netflix for your sh1tty connection to it.

Net neutrality is better for everyone except for the ISPs because without it, the ISPs can (and will) multi-dip at every opportunity they get while throttling non-payers so they will not tax their systems, which will give them no motivation to upgrade their networks.

You as a consumer want net neutrality.
DrafterX Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Jul 13 2017, 3:58 PM EST
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Obama said we'd get free net neutrality.... I want my free net neutrality damnit..!! Mad
delta1 Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Jul 13 2017, 3:58 PM EST
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makes sense...if you were glad that the government broke up Ma Bell, demand that the government keep net neutrality...
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