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Stop the induction of Michael Vick into the Virginia Tech Sports Hall of Fame
jackconrad Offline
#1 Posted:
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Hello,

I just signed the petition, “President Sands: Stop the induction of Michael Vick into the Virginia Tech Sports Hall of Fame..” I think this is important. Will you sign it too?

Here’s the link:
https://www.change.org/p/president-sands-stop-the-induction-of-michael-vick-into-the-virginia-tech-sports-hall-of-fame?utm_medium=email&utm_source=notification&utm_campaign=petition_signer_receipt&share_context=signature_receipt&recruiter=68067141

Thanks,ram27bat ram27bat ram27bat
Mayor Jack
Speyside Offline
#2 Posted:
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Ageed, done.
chazbo Offline
#3 Posted:
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Glad to see your still posting Jack😎
jespear Offline
#4 Posted:
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Done !
reckless Offline
#5 Posted:
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Signed for Drafter cause he loves puppys
gummy jones Offline
#6 Posted:
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i found vick generally awful prior to being caught torturing animals
i disliked him much more after that

i believe he is reformed or at least contrite
bgz Offline
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gummy jones wrote:
i found vick generally awful prior to being caught torturing animals
i disliked him much more after that

i believe he is reformed or at least contrite


I would agree with that. After researching this a bit, I would say a lot of good came from the Vick incident is that it greatly increased awareness. He has also done many things to help the humane society after he served his time along with being an advocate for animals since his incarceration.

I'm going to have to abstain from this petition because it is not for me to judge this man.
jjanecka Offline
#8 Posted:
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Bgz, I bet you've had a troubled history of fighting dogs too huh?
LetsRock Offline
#9 Posted:
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I have the same feelings about Jose Fernandez. Why is this guy being hailed as a hero and a tragedy? He was drunk, taking cocaine and driving a boat at unsafe speeds in the middle of the night. Oh and by the way he killed two other people as well. Piece of garbage in my book.
bgz Offline
#10 Posted:
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jjanecka wrote:
Bgz, I bet you've had a troubled history of fighting dogs too huh?


Nope, not I. People have been fighting dogs forever, this isn't anything new. Like I said, did some research on it after seeing this post, and posted my opinion on it. I've never lived in VA, or went to the school in question. I stand by my opinion that it isn't for me to judge.
jjanecka Offline
#11 Posted:
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I think with celebs we need to understand that people don't understand that these folks are the same as everyone else and do screwed up crap all the time so when they're put one a pedestal you can't expect them to act any differently. They'll always be who they are and you can't expect people to act with ethics and integrity if they don't have it.

Conversly if you take a group of people like duck dynasty, just everyday hunters, they will also show their ethics and values and people shouldn't be offended for who they are and get upset because they stand firm in their beliefs.

Bottom line is that if the media wants to create a propaganda machine, they need to be thourough in who they select because not everyone is a tool and people will act however they want.
ZRX1200 Offline
#12 Posted:
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He did EXACTLY WHAT we ask of prisoners.

He reformed, and made things as right as he could after release and meant it. And as bgz said I didn't go there so not my business.
teedubbya Offline
#13 Posted:
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I'm with bgz and zrx - I lived 15 minutes from his home in Leavenworth and by all accounts he was a model prisoner and I think deserves forgiveness. What he did was bad, but not the end of the world.

I don't care if he gets in or not. I just don't feel strongly he should not.

dstieger Offline
#14 Posted:
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What's the criteria for enshrinement?
ZRX1200 Offline
#15 Posted:
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Don't get caught.
teedubbya Offline
#16 Posted:
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That counts Brady out
ZRX1200 Offline
#17 Posted:
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Yup.

And Billicheat.
tailgater Offline
#18 Posted:
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Jack.
I love ya, man.
But didn't you want us to turn a blind eye to Joe Paterno?

Are not our kids more important than our dogs?

tailgater Offline
#19 Posted:
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And as someone above mentioned, if nothing else Vick brought awareness to an important issue.

Like OJ did.
I learned that there were tens of thousands of battered women out there.
And to think.
I've been eating them plain all those years...


teedubbya Offline
#20 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
And as someone above mentioned, if nothing else Vick brought awareness to an important issue.

Like OJ did.
I learned that there were tens of thousands of battered women out there.
And to think.
I've been eating them plain all those years...





Actually OJ is widely misunderstood. He just really likes PEZ dispensers.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Jack.
I love ya, man.
But didn't you want us to turn a blind eye to Joe Paterno?

Are not our kids more important than our dogs?


whose kids and whose dogs?
ZRX1200 Offline
#22 Posted:
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And Bruno Magli shoes
teedubbya Offline
#23 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
whose kids and whose dogs?



and what about the dogs kids?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#24 Posted:
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delicious...
teedubbya Offline
#25 Posted:
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puppy veal!
DrafterX Offline
#26 Posted:
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OhMyGod
frankj1 Offline
#27 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
And as someone above mentioned, if nothing else Vick brought awareness to an important issue.

Like OJ did.
I learned that there were tens of thousands of battered women out there.
And to think.
I've been eating them plain all those years...



so bad, so funny.
frankj1 Offline
#28 Posted:
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bgz, zrx, tw, and me.
if rehab still results in rejection...wtf?

this is a tribute to athletic accomplishment
Whistlebritches Offline
#29 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
And as someone above mentioned, if nothing else Vick brought awareness to an important issue.

Like OJ did.
I learned that there were tens of thousands of battered women out there.
And to think.
I've been eating them plain all those years...




Thanks.........my gut buster of the day
jespear Offline
#30 Posted:
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In ALL the interviews I've seen with Vick, I NEVER got the feeling that he felt remorse for what he did to those dogs.

He's a POS, IMHO.
TMCTLT Offline
#31 Posted:
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jespear wrote:
In ALL the interviews I've seen with Vick, I NEVER got the feeling that he felt remorse for what he did to those dogs.

He's a POS, IMHO.



Agreed John, and for those giving him creds for now doing " the right thing " HE HAD NO F"N CHOICE.....IF he wanted some small piece of the life he had before being imprisoned. They layed out for him an avenue in which to redeem himself and he jumped on it, he's still the same POS
gummy jones Offline
#32 Posted:
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We always have a choice. For him the right one happened to coincide with that which was necessary for restarting a career (as it often does for all of us).

Spear we must have heard different interviews. There have to be hundreds of them now over the years. I don't expect him to show contrition by crying uncontrollably every time the topic is breached.
teedubbya Offline
#33 Posted:
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jespear wrote:
In ALL the interviews I've seen with Vick, I NEVER got the feeling that he felt remorse for what he did to those dogs.

He's a POS, IMHO.



I respect your opinion but we must have seen very different interviews. In the ones I've seen he very much showed remorse and even humility. In talking to some of the guards at Leavenworth I heard he was a model prisoner and they seemed to like him. The ones I've spoken to (ok 2 of them) even indicate he seemed to change and to "get it" as he was there. I guess it could be an act but I don't think he's smart enough to do that. Now OJ.... different story.

I guess we will just have to disagree.

As for the VT HOF wgaf
DrafterX Offline
#34 Posted:
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Even I felt his remorse... I don't approve of dog fighting at all.. sure as hell wouldn't attend one... but it's not like he was screwing chikens and stuff... we should have this discussion again if the NFL Hall of Fame is at his door... Mellow
gummy jones Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Even I felt his remorse... I don't approve of dog fighting at all.. sure as hell wouldn't attend one... but it's not like he was screwing chikens and stuff... we should have this discussion again if the NFL Hall of Fame is at his door... Mellow


then we wont be having this convo again fog
RMAN4443 Offline
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jespear wrote:
In ALL the interviews I've seen with Vick, I NEVER got the feeling that he felt remorse for what he did to those dogs.

He's a POS, IMHO.

I agree,and for the sake of argument,even if he is the "sorriest" MF'er (which I think he isd'oh! ), how can a person with morals or a conscience do the things he did to those dogs and not realize that hanging a dog or sticking a cattle prod up a dog's ass is some sorry sick chit!
And remember,now as he "shows remorse and has been rehabilitated and shows humility",that he has inside him the capability to torture,maim,and kill dogs(should animals other than dogs fear him) without being disgusted by his actions.Only showing "remorse" when he was caught and confronted with prison and being expelled from the NFL


RICHMOND, Va. -- Michael Vick was sentenced to prison Monday
for running a dogfighting operation and will stay there longer than
two co-defendants, up to 23 months, because he lied about his
involvement when he was supposed to be coming clean to the judge
who would decide his fate.
The disgraced NFL star received a harsher sentence than the
others in the federal conspiracy case because of "less than
truthful" statements about killing pit bulls.
Vick said he accepted responsibility for his actions, but U.S.
District Judge Henry E. Hudson said he wasn't so sure.
"I'm not convinced you've fully accepted responsibility,"
Hudson told Vick, who arrived in court wearing the black-and-white
striped prison uniform he was issued when he voluntarily
surrendered Nov. 19 to begin serving his sentence early.
Despite the early surrender, a public apology and participation
in an animal sensitivity training course, Vick was denied an
"acceptance of responsibility" credit that would have reduced his
sentence. Federal prosecutors opposed awarding Vick the credit.
Dogs that did not perform up to expectations were killed by
electrocution, hanging, drowning and other violent means by the
dogfighting ring. Hudson said evidence, including statements by the
co-defendants, showed Vick was more directly involved than he
admitted. Hudson also mentioned that Vick had been deceptive on a
polygraph test. Though that evidence was not admissible in court,
the results were discussed.
"He did more than fund it," prosecutor Michael Gill said,
referring to the "Bad Newz Kennels" dogfighting operation. "He
was in this thing up to his neck with the other defendants."

Read the entire article here:http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=3148549


If I remember correctly,didn't he try to pass it off as a black cultural thing that white people would never understand? Think
teedubbya Offline
#37 Posted:
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So there is no such thing as forgiveness and no one can learn or change? I'm no fan of Vick but I do believe in repentance.
RMAN4443 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
So there is no such thing as forgiveness and no one can learn or change? I'm no fan of Vick but I do believe in repentance.

I never said that.......forgive him if you want.........facts show me what he's capable of without giving it a second thought.....until he's caught. What he did to innocent animals is against my personal beliefs,and that is what I was saying.If you think he's a super guy great.........I don't and won't change my opinion of him because he says he's sorry.As far as voting him into the VT Hall of Fame,go ahead......that's based on Football accomplishments,not his sick abuse of "Man's Best Friend".Same with the NFL HoF.........football accomplishments.Because he's a good football player doesn't change the fact that he is/was? a more vicious animal than the dogs he electrocuted anally or hung by the neck until their dead bodies stopped twitching.
You can heap upon him all the awards and accolades you want.......But me and my Beagle have decided we will not be voting for him to receive any awards.

You say he's sorry and contrite and remorseful,but the judge in the case felt he lied and was untruthful about his involvement.
Some of the things Vick was proven/admitted to doing are tell tale signs of a serial killer........actually Jeffery Dahmer did some of those things to animals as a child........then he moved on to people.Any Hall of Fames you want to vote Jeffery Dahmer into?Not talking

teedubbya Offline
#39 Posted:
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He didn't kill any people to my knowledge so that seems a bit dramatic. The judges comments were at conviction, sentencing not following. There is a time line here.

*shrug* who really knows what he thinks or feels. I've done a bunch of things I'm not proud of and wouldn't do today. I'm glad you all don't know about any of them. I'm very different today than I was 10/20/30 years ago and assume I will evolve 10/20/30 years from now.

Stretching out to 30 years ago I was a homophobe. Today I accept drafters lifestyle and could care less. But I was truly homophobic. I didn't really know any better. I seemed to change more quickly when I was Vicks age than I do now however.
ZRX1200 Offline
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So you evolved into a different kind of a sshole
teedubbya Offline
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Yup. Absolutely.

And let's not forget our lessons in your van that taught me not to hate or fear sword flesh fights
ZRX1200 Offline
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Namaste
teedubbya Offline
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Gazunetight
DrafterX Offline
#44 Posted:
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Freaks... Mellow
TMCTLT Offline
#45 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
I would agree with that. After researching this a bit, I would say a lot of good came from the Vick incident is that it greatly increased awareness. He has also done many things to help the humane society after he served his time along with being an advocate for animals since his incarceration.

I'm going to have to abstain from this petition because it is not for me to judge this man.



So wait....you actually believe that there's a large segment of society who needed this example on how NOT to treat animals to keep from doing it themselves???? OOOOkay. He has done what is necessary to keep from being considered a piece of Sh*t the rest of his life.
There is no excusing what this man did.....none.
shaun341 Offline
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I think Vick puts on a good public perception but I don't trust he is not the same person he was before prison. For instance there was an altercation that involved his entourage at a night club when he was in Philly. Vick was eventually cleared of the investigation because they could not find enough evidence to show Vick was involved but it was his people for sure and that shows he has not moved on from the thugs and low lifes he associated with before prison. I have heard some messed up stories about the Vick brothers while in Virginia Tech from students that were there and those stories paint a picture of people that can not change without removing themselves from the environment that they are used to. I don't think Vick should be awarded for life achievements in any manner albeit for athletics or moral standings.
DrafterX Offline
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I can see Vick being hassled for the rest of his life.. some will push him over the line.. not defending him but he's gonna be put in situations where he's gonna have to defend himself.. Mellow
TMCTLT Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I can see Vick being hassled for the rest of his life.. some will push him over the line.. not defending him but he's gonna be put in situations where he's gonna have to defend himself.. Mellow



This is why we're supposed to weigh the things we do...BEFORE we do them. Not after we get caught. Look I understand what he did was to an animal/s but if you can do that to an otherwise defenseless dog/s, one has to wonder just what else he is capable of.
gummy jones Offline
#49 Posted:
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#45 - I think it shed light on a terrible practice many didn't know really existed. The overwhelming public outcry and negativity (rightfully so) certainly shaped culture. That has value.
TMCTLT Offline
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gummy jones wrote:
#45 - I think it shed light on a terrible practice many didn't know really existed. The overwhelming public outcry and negativity (rightfully so) certainly shaped culture. That has value.



#49 So you think this is no longer happening in the US? Are we not hearing about it because it's not someone of notoriety like Vick?
I'm curious though, how or what did it " shape " in our culture that was previously missing?
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