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Spike Lee to Kaepernick: You'll never work again!
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Spike Lee tweets there will be 'United We Stand' rally for Colin Kaepernick in NYC

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/spike-lee-tweets-there-will-be-united-we-stand-rally-for-colin-kaepernick-in-nyc/

We're a couple weeks into training camp and Colin Kaepernick remains a free agent, and it's unclear if that will change in the coming weeks and months.
One explanation for Kaepernick's current situation: He hasn't been very good in recent seasons. Another take is that Kaepernick is being blackballed for his stance on social-justice issues. That's why there will be a rally at NFL headquarters in Manhattan on Aug. 23 to support the embattled quarterback, according to a tweet from filmmaker Spike Lee.


This comes three months after Kevin Livingston, the president of 100 Suits for 100 Men -- one of the organizations Kaepernick worked with earlier this year -- organized a "stand up" outside the NFL's New York City headquarters as a show of solidarity with the quarterback.

"He stood up for us," Livingston told ESPN's Michael Rothstein at the time. "It's only right that he took our issues in our communities and brought it to a national level and sacrificed salary and being ostracized by the NFL. It was only right that we stand up for him. I started this, literally, when he came to my office -- I was moved. I work with parolees. People usually want to ostracize this particular population. Me working with him on the front lines and him coming to my office, this is not the first time I've worked with him. So I thought it was only right that I stand up for him."



"We're not protesting," Livingston continued. "This is not anti-NFL. This is not going against the police. What we're doing exactly is we're showing solidarity to the league on behalf of Colin Kaepernick. This is nothing planned by him. This is all me.

"But I have to say, Colin Kaepernick really moved me when he did that for our community. And so ... the reason why I chose [NFL headquarters] is the league needs to see that Colin is being supported. And that we're buying consumers and that our dollars matter and I don't think it's fair the way he's being treated by the league. I just want to make that very clear."

Kaepernick, who played for the 49ers from 2011-2016, began last season on the bench behind Blaine Gabbert, but was reinserted into the starting lineup in mid-October. When it was over, he had started 11 games and completed 59.2 percent of his passes with 16 touchdowns and four interceptions. He also rushed 69 times for 468 yards and two scores. But according to Football Outsiders' metrics, Kaepernick ranked 30th among all quarterbacks, just ahead of Case Keenum, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Brock Osweiler and Jared Goff.

The Seahawks showed interest in Kaepernick in May, and the Ravens appeared to close to signing him earlier this month. Nothing materialized and Kaepernick is still looking for his next opportunity.
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There will be a team desperate enough....

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Manziel also signs somewhere....Tebow, anyone?

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He pissed off a lot of fans. The league is aware of this. He should have been aware of this. Why would anyone sign him and risk losing revenues over a mediocre qb?
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dstieger wrote:
There will be a team desperate enough....

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Manziel also signs somewhere....Tebow, anyone?


maybe... but I don't think so... there were enough other decent enough options out there this year... I think everyone is set for this season and I doubt he could come back after a year off... I don't think he's got the mental strength for that...
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why? if you're from Cleveland, you don't ask such questions
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Kaepernick has no allegiance to this country, they ought to ship him off to live in the Mumbai slums and then he'll be preaching a different tune about life.
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Kaepernick was entitled to his 'free speech' kneeling demonstrations. Now he's entitled to face the repercussions of said 'speech'.

Right? Isn't that what everyone here has been saying about the people who choose to exercise their right to free speech? That they can speak freely, but be prepared to face the consequences?

Yup. Had he not chose to bring negative attention to himself, he might be on a team right now. His talent is not commensurate with the unwanted attention he will bring to a team. Hello consequences.
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Yeah if it were Tom Brady everyone would be pissed but there's not a damn thing people would do about it. The guy plain out wins.

It's kinda like that one homo who was whining a few years ago about being gay in the NFL. The reality is that the guy sucked and was grasping for straws so that the NFL would keep him.

But anyone who does not pledge alliegence to this country should not have the right to live here.
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MACS wrote:
Kaepernick was entitled to his 'free speech' kneeling demonstrations. Now he's entitled to face the repercussions of said 'speech'.

Right? Isn't that what everyone here has been saying about the people who choose to exercise their right to free speech? That they can speak freely, but be prepared to face the consequences?

Yup. Had he not chose to bring negative attention to himself, he might be on a team right now. His talent is not commensurate with the unwanted attention he will bring to a team. Hello consequences.



+1 Spot On
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dstieger wrote:
why? if you're from Cleveland, you don't ask such questions


Saw a t-shirt this weekend that said if it was easy being a Cleveland fan it would be called "your mom".
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...jj... did you just suggest that one should have to pledge allegiance to live in this country?

...that is problematic.
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pretty sure you have to if you want citizenship... Mellow
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Nowadays, maybe. When I was in school we said the pledge of allegiance every day.

I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the United States of America... and to the republic, for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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And by some time in gradeschool I refused to say it. I would stand there quietly but was not going to pledge allegiance with some forced religious acknowledgement.

Disgusting.
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jjanecka wrote:


But anyone who does not pledge alliegence to this country should not have the right to live here.



Do you believe in "freedom of speech"? Not speaking to making a political point is equivalent to to speaking when it comes the freedom of speech.
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NFL Source: Kaepernick Turned Down At Least 1 Contract To Play Up The Race Card

August 7th, 2017

Colin Kaepernick is still a free agent, and an NFL inside source told The Daily Caller Monday that the former 49ers quarterback has no one but himself to blame.

Despite the ongoing narrative that Kaepernick’s very public political views are preventing any NFL teams from offering him a roster spot, TheDC’s source claims Kaep himself has turned down at least one contract in the hopes of stirring up a media frenzy that eventually leads to a more lucrative deal for the 27-year-old vet.

Kaepernick allegedly doesn’t want to make “backup money” and specifically instructed his representative team not to sign one contract offered at the league’s minimum rate of $900,000 per year for a seventh-year player.

Shortly after the 2017 offseason began, Kaepernick parted ways with XAM Sports — the agency which had represented him since he entered the league in 2011 — and TheDC’s source added that Kaepernick’s girlfriend, outspoken radio host Nessa Diab, appears to be a driving force behind his negotiating tactics.

“Colin thinks he’s fighting a much higher battle than he is,” the source stated. “He views himself as a race messiah.”

The source further explained that the NFL has instructed teams and owners to hush news of Kaepernick’s contract negotiations.

Several teams, including the Ravens, Seahawks and Dolphins, have reportedly reached out to Kaepernick this offseason.

Just last week, Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti confirmed he was interested in acquiring Kaepernick to play second-fiddle to oft-injured starter, Joe Flacco.

Two days after Baltimore first expressed interest, Ravens legend Ray Lewis posted a cryptic video telling Kaepernick to focus on football not activism.

Nessa Diab then compared Lewis and Bisciotti to a slave and master, and negotiations stalled. (RELATED: Kaepernick’s GF Compares Ray Lewis and Ravens Owner To Slave And Master)

Back in late May, Seattle was so interested in Kaepernick that they brought him in for an on-site workout, but despite being impressed with his performance, Seahawks head coach Pete Caroll stated the next week the team could not sign him because he’s a “starter.”

“We have a starter,” Caroll stated before declining to answer questions on Kaepernick’s salary demands. “But he is a starter in this league and I can’t imagine somebody won’t give him a chance to play.”


Dr. Harry Edwards, noted sports sociologist and civil rights activist, developed a relationship with Kaepernick during his years in San Francisco and has served as an “unofficial advisor” to the one-time Super Bowl starter.

He told USA Today back in May that “if Kaep makes up his mind, he wouldn’t only go in and make a team, he’d put pressure on somebody to start.”

“I don’t think there’s any question that there are some owners who wouldn’t have him in the league, much less on their team,” he continued. “But I fully expect one [team to sign him], because it’s in the best interest of the league to have him on a team.”

Edwards further stated in a July interview on Sirius XM that the NFL would have a “problem” if Kaepernick were not on a roster by week 1.

Edwards did not return TheDC’s request for comment.

An NFL Players Association representative was reached by TheDC but did not provide comment before the story’s publication.
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MACS wrote:
Nowadays, maybe. When I was in school we said the pledge of allegiance every day.

I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the United States of America... and to the republic, for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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I most certainly believe that it must be a requirement of the citizen to formally pledge their alliegence to both the country and the state that they are resident in. This is not a matter of free speech. It is a promise that you will defend this country which either bore you and gave you wealth and prosperity or the country that took you in and gave you wealth and prosperity. It is about your honor as a free man.
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Mmmhmmm... and how frequently do you believe citizens should be required to swear their oath of fealty to their country and state? (I may just support this if it means MACS has to pledge allegiance to California on a daily basis and I can get a video)....
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if you get it tattooed you don't have to say it everyday... Mellow
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dstieger wrote:
Tebow, anyone?



The Mets are in the NFL now?
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victor809 wrote:
Mmmhmmm... and how frequently do you believe citizens should be required to swear their oath of fealty to their country and state? (I may just support this if it means MACS has to pledge allegiance to California on a daily basis and I can get a video)....


VETO! VETO!! VETO!!!

I don't think anyone questions my loyalty to the country, but state?? Hell no... I'm a believer in the old SW airlines' slogan... "You are now free to move about the country".
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Take it up with jj... but until you convince him I expect a daily video of you pledging your fealty to the great state of California and it's peerless leaders.
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Alright fine, but anyone residing in Texas should still be required say the State pledge. I've been a lifelong Texan so I guess it's different for me.

But this brings up a good point because it really shows the values of the country vary from State to State. Like I'd never pledge allegiance to California, and there's no reason that I ever should. It would take an Act of God for me to end up living in that unrine soaked Hellhole.

Just the same, if the values contrasts that deeply that we could say "let the sum'bïtch fall." Then what does that say for us as a country?
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Wouldn't the more accurate question be "what does that say about the person who stated that"?
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California is a beautiful state, with amazing weather. It's just run by idiots.
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Pretty sure that's not the pledge macs...
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"just because she's pretty, doesn't mean they won't try to control you and ruin your life."
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I'll always pledge to God & Country but I don't see the need for a State pledge either... Mellow
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We always said them both in School.

Honor the Texas Flag! I pledge alliegence to the flag, Texas, one state under God. One and indivisible.
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Yeah... and there's the problem right there. ^

A reference to a dirty has no place in a pledge to a country with freedom of religion.
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an oath to do the dirty..?? Huh
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CKap got his MBA in brand management....the hard way.

fog
MACS Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Yeah... and there's the problem right there. ^

A reference to a dirty has no place in a pledge to a country with freedom of religion.


Freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. Like it or not, this country was FOUNDED on Judeo/Christian values. There is no mistaking that. God is in our constitution and printed on our money, and our laws are based on Judeo/Christian morality.

You are free to practice whatever religion you like, or free to practice atheism if that's your desire; but to deny that our country was and is, founded and ruled by those values is denying the truth.
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true.. true... Mellow
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Victor, I don't get the whole anti-religion tone to atheism. Of you don't believe in God, why should you care if God is mentioned? Why would't you want the blessing of an alleged diety in the first place? It's only to your benefit if he blesses you so indifference still would be the best route so that it wouldn't be a constant battle with your neighbors who are observant.

Additionally, this country was founded by Freemasons and Catholics, both are groups have a very serious belief in God. They created the constitution and the Bill of Rights to protect the government from establishing a State Church in order to prevent the persecutions they endured by the Church of England which at best typically had an identity crisis and couldn't decide if it was going to be pro-Catholic or pro-Potestant depending on the monarch.

The Pope was fascinated by this enterprise, the thought of a nation where by law all religions were protected was quite a shock to him at the time so he sent the knights of the Order of Malta to aid the Americans who were in desperate need of training, arms, and supplies.

In short, America would not exist had it been in part for strong religious beliefs.
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You simply cannot put "god" in the pledge. It invalidates it. You force me to pledge allegiance to "one nation under leprauchans, indivisible with liberty and justice for all" and it sure as hell doesn't sound like I'm making a pledge to anything of value does it... sounds the same way with god in it to me.

Let me put it this way macs.. pretend you asked me to swear on a bible that I wouldn't kick you in the azz if you turned you back on me...would you turn your back on me after that?

More importantly this god crap got added because we hated the communists... and it got added to the money because we hated the confederates.

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Well we still hate communists and confederates so removing it would be to acknowledge they won, so there. Beer
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Hell, you could at least go the Mormon route and claim you are God... f'king aye Vic.
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Hehhe... well I have been called a Greek god...

But beyond the addition of fairy tale creatures to a serious pledge of loyalty and thereby invalidating it, what the hell is so important about pledges to the right?

I find it disturbing that the right pays so much lip service to the act of paying lip service... but then elects someone who purposely avoided service when it was actually important and necessary.
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Victor is one hardcore Liberal... Mellow
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Yeah man, no doubt.
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DrafterX wrote:
Victor is one hardcore Liberal... Mellow


I think he just plays the devil's advocate for arguments' sake. Not sure why... if he doesn't believe in God, then there is no devil. Think
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MACS wrote:
VETO! VETO!! VETO!!!

I don't think anyone questions my loyalty to the country, but state?? Hell no... I'm a believer in the old SW airlines' slogan... "You are now free to move about the country".


I believe you did sign an oath of loyalty to the State of California's, as well as the US's, constitution and laws, sir, when you signed your employment papers with the County...you may want to delete this post lest someone report it to the county HR office, or your dept.'s OIA. Shame on you






Speak to the hand









d'oh!








j/k
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As long as the checks don't bounce... I'm loyal to the county until I retire. Then I'ze Audi 5000, G.
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victor809 wrote:
Hehhe... well I have been called a Greek god...

But beyond the addition of fairy tale creatures to a serious pledge of loyalty and thereby invalidating it, what the hell is so important about pledges to the right?

I find it disturbing that the right pays so much lip service to the act of paying lip service... but then elects someone who purposely avoided service when it was actually important and necessary.


Get over it...America Hates Hillary!!!!
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When Vic dies, they're gonna plant a tree over his grave and use the wood to make paper for Bibles.
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**** SPIKE LEE AND THE HIGH HORSE HE ROAD IN ON....
"Mr. WHO CARES WHAT A big mouth rich PRIICK SAYS courtside DUECE" sporting Mr. magoo specks should shut his YAK.
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victor809 wrote:
Take it up with jj... but until you convince him I expect a daily video of you pledging your fealty to the great state of California and it's peerless leaders.



This just couldn't be any more laughable...it was great @ one time no doubt BEFORE your " peerless leaders " who behave as though they suffer from dementia!!!!
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MACS wrote:
Kaepernick was entitled to his 'free speech' kneeling demonstrations. Now he's entitled to face the repercussions of said 'speech'.

Right? Isn't that what everyone here has been saying about the people who choose to exercise their right to free speech? That they can speak freely, but be prepared to face the consequences?

Yup. Had he not chose to bring negative attention to himself, he might be on a team right now. His talent is not commensurate with the unwanted attention he will bring to a team. Hello consequences.


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