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Mattie B Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2017, 4:23 PM EST
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I can't believe y'all aren't jumping all over this.
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2017, 4:43 PM EST
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Thanks Obama..!! Mad
JadeRose Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2017, 5:20 PM EST
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It's in the South. I don't trouble myself with things going on in 3rd world countries.
DrafterX Offline
#4 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2017, 5:25 PM EST
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Virginia is south..?? Huh
Mr. Jones Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2017, 6:13 PM EST
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Looked more like the guy's tranny blew coming in?
On the clip I saw....SLOW...
But ,,,
On the way , OUT...
IN REVERSE? That mofo was screamin' fast...

I'm pretty sure that's what I saw on ABC?
Sound was off and I wasn't sure what I was watching...
DrafterX Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2017, 6:46 PM EST
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Somebody's feelings were hurt over a damn statue and now 3 people are dead... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#7 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2017, 7:10 PM EST
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And to be clear, I hate Virginia Nazis... Mad
Speyside Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2017, 7:39 PM EST
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Mattie, why are you challenging people about this? It's only a statue. 3 people are dead, more may die, that's the real tragedy.
rfenst Offline
#9 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2017, 7:42 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Mattie, why are you challenging people about this? It's only a statue. 3 people are dead, more may die, that's the real tragedy.


The real Mattie doesn't post here anymore...
Mattie B Offline
#10 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2017, 8:00 PM EST
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Spey,
I wasn't challenging anyone. I found it hard to believe this wasn't a conversation. I think it's a shame all the way around.

And I'm the real Mattie.
Many try to replicate, none can duplicate.
JadeRose Offline
#11 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2017, 8:03 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Virginia is south..?? Huh




Well...it ain't Oklahoma but it's close enough.
Speyside Offline
#12 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2017, 8:42 PM EST
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Agreed, I don't see a statue of Robert E. Lee as being offensive. He is a part of our history and was as fine of a gentleman as he was a general. I do find both sides of protesters offensive. As usual, the coverage by CNN is all over what Trump is doing wrong. Even though my views are liberal I am very tired of freedom of speech as long as it is liberal speech.
JadeRose Offline
#13 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2017, 8:56 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Agreed, I don't see a statue of Robert E. Lee as being offensive. He is a part of our history and was as fine of a gentleman as he was a general. I do find both sides of protesters offensive. As usual, the coverage by CNN is all over what Trump is doing wrong. Even though my views are liberal I am very tired of freedom of speech as long as it is liberal speech.




Hate is hate. It's not a Right-Wing thing or a Left-Wing thing. It's hate and Terrorism.....no matter who the f*ck does it. As much as I despise Trump, I don't think he's a Nazi or a White Supremacist. I DO think he should do more to combat it in his words and deeds but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now and chalk it up to political inexperience. I guess the only "good thing" that can be said about these ****heels being "emboldened" by Trump is that it brings them out into the light where they can be squashed like the vermin they are.

And I also agree with what you are saying about CNN. We get it.....you hate Trump. How's about you just report the fucking news and let the chips fall where they may.
8trackdisco Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2017, 9:01 PM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
It's in the South. I don't trouble myself with things going on in 3rd world countries.


Great job stereotyping an entire state of people, Jade.

Very progressive.

You should really peel off the Coexist bumper sticker from your Toyota Pius.
DrafterX Offline
#15 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2017, 9:32 PM EST
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I hate that white supremacists by had to make the stand but somebody had to... this trying to erase history thing is is BS... Do we take down MLK statues next..?? How many people died because of his incitement of violence..?? Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#16 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2017, 9:40 PM EST
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Why not bulldoze Mt Vernon and build some projects.. Mellow
8trackdisco Offline
#17 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2017, 9:45 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I hate that white supremacists by had to make the stand but somebody had to... this trying to erase history thing is is BS... Do we take down MLK statues next..?? How many people died because of his incitement of violence..?? Mellow


One man's villian is another man's patriot. You have everybody feeling they are special and better than everyone else. That's a problem.

This one prolly belongs on the Politics board.
Whistlebritches Offline
#18 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2017, 9:47 PM EST
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After a just a little research it appears the popo caused this.Pushed the legal group out of the park and protected the anti's.I am on the side of those who won the lawsuit,however inviting David Duke was stupid..........stupidest thing they could have done.WTF has become of my country?
DrafterX Offline
#19 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2017, 9:55 PM EST
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It sucks... Boils down to the wussification of the USA. Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#20 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2017, 10:04 PM EST
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And blaming Trump for not condemning this enough just confirms how far the left will go to discredit him.. why didn't Obama step up and say we need to preserve history and learn from it.. Mellow
8trackdisco Offline
#21 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2017, 10:05 PM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
After a just a little research it appears the popo caused this.Pushed the legal group out of the park and protected the anti's.I am on the side of those who won the lawsuit,however inviting David Duke was stupid..........stupidest thing they could have done.WTF has become of my country?


The prior president spent 8 years dividing the country.

Are you really surprised we are here?

Guess I was wrong when I said President Bush was an idiot. I had not idea what 8 years of Obama and 7 months of Trump was a possibility.
8trackdisco Offline
#22 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2017, 10:09 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
why didn't Obama step up and say we need to preserve history and learn from it.. Mellow


Because it would play poorly with his base. Those people screaming COEXIST! at the top of their lungs- as long as everyone co-existsts on the their terms.

Black Lives Matters ok. In fact, celebrated.

All Lives Matter, not okay.

More fracturing.
frankj1 Offline
#23 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2017, 10:41 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Agreed, I don't see a statue of Robert E. Lee as being offensive. He is a part of our history and was as fine of a gentleman as he was a general.


I can't argue your point about General Lee...but below is lifted from internet stories, perhaps the NY Times, not sure

"The planned rally was promoted as “Unite the Right” and both its organizers and critics said they expected it to be one of the largest gathering of white nationalists in recent times, attracting groups like the Ku Klux Klan and neo-Nazis and movement leaders like David Duke and Richard Spencer."

in this post, I am neither condemning nor supporting the anti crowd, but I have serious doubt that the pro-statue crowd was doing so because Lee was a "fine gentleman". It is because they are haters of at least one entire race, and parts of others for sure.

as for my stance on such issues, I can only speak for this lib (per usual) but I support the freedom of even the ugliest speech. The uglier allowed, the freer we are.

In fact, I am on record here several times over the years supporting the ACLU's defense of Nazis marching in Skokie, and I'd really like for them to have a big cable network...filth that they are.

despite some physical altercations, in general I expected comments similar to the Colin K taking a knee thread(s)...ie he is allowed to do so, but he must also face the consequences (read: reaction/pushback) to it. The lack of that equal time response surprises me.
teedubbya Offline
#24 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2017, 11:41 PM EST
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I'm not for taking the statue down. I am for putting a larger General Sherman statue next to the loser.
JadeRose Offline
#25 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2017, 6:46 AM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
Great job stereotyping an entire state of people, Jade.

Very progressive.

You should really peel off the Coexist bumper sticker from your Toyota Pius.





Zip it, ya beer-drinkin cheese eater.
Speyside Offline
#26 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2017, 7:54 AM EST
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Frank, they are horrible people. My comment about Lee was more directed to Mattie, I don't think the statue should be taken down due to today's political correctness.

If they had the correct permits, then they had every right to be there. I don't know if they did or didnt.
JadeRose Offline
#27 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2017, 8:23 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
And blaming Trump for not condemning this enough just confirms how far the left will go to discredit him.. why didn't Obama step up and say we need to preserve history and learn from it.. Mellow





The world is only Black and White to stupid people. I hope you're really not this dumb, Drafter. This isn't about a statue of some loser General. 99% of those white supremacist $hitheels couldn't tell you anything about Robert E. Lee other than the fact he was named after a cool car the Duke boys owned. The same way some inner city gang banger couldn't tell you anything about MLK other than than that's the street he sells crack on. Those people aren't there to defend a statue. They are there to intimidate. They are there to promote their vile way of life and to spread their gospel of hatred. Hatred towards those who don't look like they do. Hatred towards those who don't live like they do. Hatred towards those whose stereotypes they BELIEVE. One of my co-workers and best friends is Puerto Rican. He is as American as you or I. He also happens to be brilliant and I've talked to him about going back to PR at some point to run for Governor as I KNOW he could help them out of the financial mess they are in. He was/is a great find by my company and will undoubtedly be my boss someday. He's also been spat at and told to "Go back to Mexico , ya f*ckin ****" by people that aren't fit to shine his shoes. Look around our own board here. I've read reference to you being of Latino descent. I don't know if that's true or not and I don't care other than if it IS true...in the eyes of these people, you gotta go. Frank and Rfenst are Jewish as I'm sure others are too. Are you $hitting me? They killed JESUS and they control the world's money! They gotta go! Tbone....black man. Doesn't matter if he is hard working firefighter in Cincinnati and one of the most generous Botl's you'd ever want to meet. Back to Africa with him! I have daughters...do you? Well....good. Because my daughters and yours will be great for keeping a home and making babies someday. Nothing more, of course, because women need to know their place. Hell...look at MACS. He looks like Freddy Mercury. Must be queer, right? Gotta GO!

You are right about this not being about Trump. It isn't. But a President has a responsibility to set the tone. Do you think W woulda said what Trump said? Bush Senior? Reagan? I don't. I think they would condemn hatred as strongly as they could have. Because they are/were decent men. Trump is NOT a decent man. He's a megalomaniacal psychopath that is incapable of decency. He has no moral compass. I don't think he hates non-white people. I think he is incapable of even considering anyone but himself. Which emboldens the idiots because they see his lack of condemnation as a sign of support. F*ck these scum and f*ck trump, too.
DrafterX Offline
#28 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2017, 8:30 AM EST
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Would you feel better if Trump had the National Guard cut them down..?? Huh
JadeRose Offline
#29 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2017, 8:33 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Would you feel better if Trump had the National Guard cut them down..?? Huh







"The world is only Black and White to stupid people."
DrafterX Offline
#30 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2017, 8:37 AM EST
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So I've heard.. what are you trying to say..?? You're opinion is right and everyone else is wrong..?? Huh
TMCTLT Offline
#31 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2017, 8:44 AM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
The world is only Black and White to stupid people. I hope you're really not this dumb, Drafter. This isn't about a statue of some loser General. 99% of those white supremacist $hitheels couldn't tell you anything about Robert E. Lee other than the fact he was named after a cool car the Duke boys owned. The same way some inner city gang banger couldn't tell you anything about MLK other than than that's the street he sells crack on. Those people aren't there to defend a statue. They are there to intimidate. They are there to promote their vile way of life and to spread their gospel of hatred. Hatred towards those who don't look like they do. Hatred towards those who don't live like they do. Hatred towards those whose stereotypes they BELIEVE. One of my co-workers and best friends is Puerto Rican. He is as American as you or I. He also happens to be brilliant and I've talked to him about going back to PR at some point to run for Governor as I KNOW he could help them out of the financial mess they are in. He was/is a great find by my company and will undoubtedly be my boss someday. He's also been spat at and told to "Go back to Mexico , ya f*ckin ****" by people that aren't fit to shine his shoes. Look around our own board here. I've read reference to you being of Latino descent. I don't know if that's true or not and I don't care other than if it IS true...in the eyes of these people, you gotta go. Frank and Rfenst are Jewish as I'm sure others are too. Are you $hitting me? They killed JESUS and they control the world's money! They gotta go! Tbone....black man. Doesn't matter if he is hard working firefighter in Cincinnati and one of the most generous Botl's you'd ever want to meet. Back to Africa with him! I have daughters...do you? Well....good. Because my daughters and yours will be great for keeping a home and making babies someday. Nothing more, of course, because women need to know their place. Hell...look at MACS. He looks like Freddy Mercury. Must be queer, right? Gotta GO!

You are right about this not being about Trump. It isn't. But a President has a responsibility to set the tone. Do you think W woulda said what Trump said? Bush Senior? Reagan? I don't. I think they would condemn hatred as strongly as they could have. Because they are/were decent men. Trump is NOT a decent man. He's a megalomaniacal psychopath that is incapable of decency. He has no moral compass. I don't think he hates non-white people. I think he is incapable of even considering anyone but himself. Which emboldens the idiots because they see his lack of condemnation as a sign of support. F*ck these scum and f*ck trump, too.


You are SO RIGHT.....so why didn't the half White half Black sonnofabitch who held that office SET THE PROPER TONE???? BECAUSE HE WAS / IS A RACIST POS who USED that office to spread his brand of hatred. The kind that Martin Luther King would have BEEN ASHAMED OF and would have said so aloud for everyone to hear. It is unfortunate that the Black Community as well as the rest of us got a well versed RACIST for our 1st Black President....we sure could have done MUCH BETTER. Whoever your PC drill sergeant was....they did a GREAT JOB WITH YOU....#look@yougogirl!!!!


JadeRose wrote:
"The world is only Black and White to stupid people."



Yeah well.....it's only RAINBOW colors for the PCers who are told " how to think " and follow suit nicely...
JadeRose Offline
#32 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2017, 8:45 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
So I've heard.. what are you trying to say..?? You're opinion is right and everyone else is wrong..?? Huh






Lol......Jesus....forget it. Tell us what you had for lunch.
DrafterX Offline
#33 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2017, 8:46 AM EST
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You crack me up too... Mellow
JadeRose Offline
#34 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2017, 8:47 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
You are SO RIGHT.....so why didn't the half White half Black sonnofabitch who held that office SET THE PROPER TONE???? BECAUSE HE WAS / IS A RACIST POS who USED that office to spread his brand of hatred. The kind that Martin Luther King would have BEEN ASHAMED OF and would have said so aloud for everyone to hear. It is unfortunate that the Black Community as well as the rest of us got a well versed RACIST for our 1st Black President....we sure could have done MUCH BETTER. Whoever your PC drill sergeant was....they did a GREAT JOB WITH YOU....#look@yougogirl!!!!






Whoa! Did I hit a little close to home here?
JadeRose Offline
#35 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2017, 8:49 AM EST
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Mattie B wrote:
I can't believe y'all aren't jumping all over this.




and btw...there you go, Mattie.
TMCTLT Offline
#36 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2017, 8:52 AM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
Whoa! Did I hit a little close to home here?



Not in the least Sweetie...do you sleep in rainbow colored jammies so you wake feeling " centered "
What no comment on your HERO Barry and his racist broad of a wife and THEIR divisiveness?
JadeRose Offline
#37 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2017, 8:57 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Not in the least Sweetie...do you sleep in rainbow colored jammies so you wake feeling " centered "
What no comment on your HERO Barry and his racist broad of a wife and THEIR divisiveness?





Wow......thank you for the intelligent discourse. David Duke would be proud of you.
DrafterX Offline
#38 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2017, 9:02 AM EST
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You're sounding kinda black & white there Jade.. Mellow
JadeRose Offline
#39 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2017, 9:06 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
You're sounding kinda black & white there Jade.. Mellow




He started it...the stinky Doo Doo head.
DrafterX Offline
#40 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2017, 9:11 AM EST
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Laugh
8trackdisco Offline
#41 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2017, 9:20 AM EST
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'.... They are there to promote their vile way of life and to spread their gospel of hatred. Hatred towards those who don't look like they do. Hatred towards those who don't live like they do. ..'

Yes, those anti-right protesters are exactly that. They hate anything that isn't counter-culture.

The hypocracy of the Co-Exist crowd- We should all be consider the equal, only we are more equal is only trumped on the BS meter by Black Lives Matter.

Baltimore recently had a promotion of a concept of having residents of Baltimore to not have black people for a weekend. A weekend is all they were shooting (ha-ha) for. With all of that publicity, they had a murder on Friday night.

Doesn't sound like black lives matter mucn.... to black people.
8trackdisco Offline
#42 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2017, 9:25 AM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
He started it...the stinky Doo Doo head.


Do follow a point you made earlier Jade, is there more violance near Civil War general statues or on streets named MLK?

If we really want to solve problems, we need to pull down those MLK signs. They are the icons of violence.
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#43 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2017, 9:26 AM EST
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This was all planned by the democrats. They're the ones running the Klan, always have, always will be. Republicans were never racist bigots. I hope this **** with N Korea happens and we send troops to venezuela. A good draft with immunities and everything is what we need to clean this stupid chit up.
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#44 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2017, 9:32 AM EST
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Jade, I follow what you are saying. But I think there is a slippery slope that needs to be considered. Those horrible worthless haters have a right to be horrible worthless haters. If our government takes away their rights, how soon will it be before they take away our rights?

In this case many from both sides should have been jailed. Their actions on video clearly show them brawling with and without weapons.

I would have liked the VA national guard to have been in place the entire time of this fiasco. I doubt their permit gave them the right to carry weapons or carry torches. Shutting it down would not have been easy, but it would have been appropriate.

Allowing them to march, but stopping their BS would have sent the correct message IMHO.
8trackdisco Offline
#45 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2017, 9:33 AM EST
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jjanecka wrote:
This was all planned by the democrats. They're the ones running the Klan, always have, always will be. Republicans were never racist bigots. I hope this **** with N Korea happens and we send troops to venezuela. A good draft with immunities and everything is what we need to clean this stupid chit up.


Easy on the war mongering. If we want to have a nice war, let's save up for it.

The checkbook shows 20 trillion in the red. Our credit card company (China) may ask us to increase our minimum monthly payment if we start too many more.
JadeRose Offline
#46 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2017, 9:34 AM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
Do follow a point you made earlier Jade, is there more violance near Civil War general statues or on streets named MLK?

If we really want to solve problems, we need to pull down those MLK signs. They are the icons of violence.




Yes...because it's the signs that are the problems. Just like the statues and flags.




WowRollEyes
JadeRose Offline
#47 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2017, 9:36 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Jade, I follow what you are saying. But I think there is a slippery slope that needs to be considered. Those horrible worthless haters have a right to be horrible worthless haters. If our government takes away their rights, how soon will it be before they take away our rights?

In this case many from both sides should have been jailed. Their actions on video clearly show them brawling with and without weapons.

I would have liked the VA national guard to have been in place the entire time of this fiasco. I doubt their permit gave them the right to carry weapons or carry torches. Shutting it down would not have been easy, but it would have been appropriate.

Allowing them to march, but stopping their BS would have sent the correct message IMHO.




I didn't say to not let them march. Let em. I'd rather evil be in front of me than hidden.
8trackdisco Offline
#48 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2017, 9:37 AM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
Yes...because it's the signs that are the problems. Just like the statues and flags.

WowRollEyes



The amount of drug dealing and murdering is significant lower around confederate war memorials vs on streets with MLK signs above them.

Remove the MLK signs, replace them with statutes of Nathan Bedford-Forest and let's see what happens.

It would be a fresh approach.
JadeRose Offline
#49 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2017, 9:59 AM EST
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Or......move the MLK signs to the whitest part of town instead of putting them in the poorest ghettos to appease the people that live there and then try to ease the poverty and hopelessness of those ghettos.

In the same vein, we could move the REL statues and the Stars and Bars flags to trailer parks and NASCAR tracks. No one would care about that.





But...we could do it your way, too
JadeRose Offline
#50 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2017, 10:00 AM EST
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BTW....Wrong forum, Noobs
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