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Drafter. I don't care what Trump says. I draw a very clear line. If you are standing next to Nazis chanting the sh×t they were chanting (at a confederate stage of all things... what does that have to do with judaeism?) And you don't walk away immediately, you are a nazi.

There is no situation in the world in which I can imagine myself standing in a crowd surrounded by Nazis chanting antisemitic chants and not immediately decide I'm in the wrong place and standing on the wrong side of the discussion... or at minimum that I want to have that discussion at a later time somewhere else not surrounded by Nazis chanting antisemitic sh×t. I firmly believe that anyone that cannot come to that conclusion on their own is also a Nazi. I am not going to sway on this.

they didn't have to though... that's the point. Those groups serve no legitimate purpose. None.



Good thing you were not black or it may have been tough to walk under the name of that treasonous bassard every day.

but we don't know if that's how it went down.. you're making assumptions that they were all hanging together.. I doubt that was the case.. the Police there were people coming from all directions.. there wasn't line in the sand that got crossed.. ..

It might...but I don't even see a problem there....careful picking of out of context facts and legends could turn Lee (or anybody) into a monster, but I think Lee was mostly a pretty decent person and I don't think a school named for him should bother you (or your hypothetical black kid) any more than the statues do

Cool, she said it then give her credit. Have not been glued to the tube.

At least he was not quoting or reciting Obama.

why do I need to change my mind..?? You guys are saying everyone there defending the statue was a nazi or a nazi supporter... I don't believe that for a minute.. never will...

I'm pretty far removed from my Civil War history lessons...may have to reread...but I always thought of Lee as having chosen Virginia moreso than choosing the South...believe he said he couldn't take up arms against his fellow Virginians...he may not have been all that principled going in....as least not so far as the big Separatist arguments of the time

I didn't say you needed to, I asked if it would.

It would absolutely change mine if I knew there were a bunch of good folks that were isolated from the nazis and had no idea what was going on despite the events of the evening prior etc.

I get the sense it would have been hard to miss. I do judge the folks that stood figuratively beside them and did nothing or participated for any reason.... especially if they tried to hang it on a statue.

Victor's the only one saying that...this is one time when he appears to believe the chit he's throwing...I don't believe it either, X....but I'm not giving anyone there a free pass, either....I think it'd be hard to find too many on either side that I could sympathize with, or even relate to..BUT...if I went, I'd NOT have been on the WS side, I assure you

I think the split was something like 60/40. I also think he was going to be indicted for treason until Gen Grant stepped in.

It's not my fight. I really don't care about the statues at all.

The nazis and anyone that stood or would stand beside them when convenient.... not so much.

You have no evidence for what you're saying. All that we've seen in video of the event is masses of organized Nazis (sorry... some go by other names). This isn't something people wandered into. They belonged to one of the groups organizing this, knew what other groups were going to be there and chose to come anyway. They prepared for it by wearing uniforms... carrying shields with white power symbols...

Go ahead and defend it all you want drafter. It just lets me know where you stand.

you guys are speculating too... you can't throw throw the nazi blanket over everybody...

There's no moral equivalency between racists & Americans standing up to defy hate& bigotry. The President of the United States should say so

I sort of liked that one

lol.... now it's everybody... if they were in among the nazis, or aware of the massive presence, and did or said nothing while sharing a common goal... yup... at a minimum complicit. I will account for some that may be retarded though. If someone was totally unaware (not intentionally so) i'd cut them some slack.


I don't care what my cause, if the nazis started lining up beside me figuratively or literally I'd take issue with it. Even if that means simply leaving and not being associated with it. That would be the wussy way but I'd not judge someone for that. The other way could get them hurt or accused of being alt left.


I'm sure I'm glad I'm on my side of the fence. I'd hate to be defending yours.

I never called you a nazi supporter. I suppose it could be argued you are sort of on their side on this one though

I don't think there were a lot of good people in the midst of the nazis like you and the president seem to. The difference between us is I actually think the statues are the SMALL part of the story. A convenient appendage. I'm not particularly for taking them down. I really don't care.

They are important to you though. Important enough to keep strange bedfellows.

Freak.

Apology accepted....

what are you talking about gummy? Wasn't even hours ago that Victor said everyone right of Che is a fvcking Nazi

I called him a nazi supporter and I will continue to.

Nazis and pedophiles. If you're doing something and you find them standing with you and proudly declaring both their nazi(ism) and/or pedophilia and their support for your cause and you don't do anything about it. You're tacitly agreeing with their bullsh#t.

If there had been non-nazis in that crowd who just wanted a statue kept, they should have been telling the nazis to get the f$ck out of their rally. There should have been a fight between "good" statue protesters and nazis before the antifa even showed up.

Seriously. Are you willing to tell me that if you're protesting puppy kicking and you see a nazi next to you chanting antisemitic sh#t, you're just going to let him continue on as is? I would be ashamed of myself for the rest of my life if I said nothing.

And as i said, if you're sitting there making excuses for a group of protesters that consisted wholly of nazis, and people who are perfectly comfortable with nazis standing next to them chanting antisemitic sh#t, then you're a nazi supporter. Don't sit there trying to be all "woe is me" about it. This is america, You're perfectly free to be a nazi suppporter. I thought we were all about that whole "you're free to say what you want as long as you are willing to accept the consequences"....

Then we have JJ claiming all the nazis and KKK are democrats.... so techinically the broughaha last weekend was democrats fighting antifa... and trump being unwilling to condemn them for it....I'm not sure how he managed to suspend reality so much that he got there....

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I like the comparison of the nazi statue supporters to pedophiles...

if it was a bunch of pedophile's protesting the statue removal and also chanting pedophile slogans and then some people were there also who maybe weren't there for the pedophile stuff, just the statue stuff but they were just standing with the pedophiles, wearing the same clothes as the pedophiles and marching with the pedophiles, is anyone willing to defend them as "spectators"?

raise your hand, speak up, chime in if you are willing to defend the companions of the kiddie molesters... I'm curious who thinks nazi's are nowhere near as bad as pedophiles...

Well it sounds like the statue issue has been resolved

From CNN's Polo Sandoval:

Robert E. Lee V, the great-great grandson of Robert E. Lee, said he is OK if Confederate monuments commemorating his relative are removed.

“We have to be able to have that conversation without all of the hatred and the violence. And if they choose to take those statues down, fine. Maybe it's appropriate to have them in museums or to put them in some sort of historical context in that regard. Fine," Lee told CNN.

The family also released a statement condemning the events in Charlottesville:

“General Lee's life was about duty, honor and country. At the end of the Civil War, he implored the nation to come together to heal our wounds and to move forward to become a more unified nation. He never would have tolerated the hateful words and violent actions of white supremacists, the KKK, or Neo Nazis.”




The family didn't mention anything about many sides.... many sides.....

i must have missed that one
but thats great news for me and my leather face thing

It shouldn't be up to him...

is this the new 500?