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DrafterX Offline
#351 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 3:46 PM EST
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So, how many SF homeless guys are gonna show hoping to get some free Nazi beers..?? Is Victor gonna pick up a new whacking stick..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#352 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 4:00 PM EST
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I dunno but in reality David Duke just thanked trump for his comments .
bgz Offline
#353 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 4:26 PM EST
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I missed the conference, I read a few transcript blurbs on a couple of news sites, but the top google spots were heavily biased so, I'll have to wait till later to find a more neutral source for information.

The blurbs they pulled out though (Obviously trying to show him unfavorably)... I thought he played it the way he should have played it from a game theory perspective. Stay as neutral as possible and say that it's a state/community matter on whether the statue should stay or not. He wasn't wrong.
8trackdisco Offline
#354 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 4:27 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
[i]House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi is asking the National Park Service to reconsider a permit for what she called a “white supremacist rally”

The San Francisco Examiner report said counter-protests are being organized.


Yes. Probably being organized by the San Francisco Examiner. Gonz
opelmanta1900 Offline
#355 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 4:28 PM EST
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tw - not getting your outrage at all...

Trump is being very careful to keep as many votes as possible... in doing so, he was slow to denounce nazis and kkk and other white power groups and he's striking a good balance now, making sure not to alienate anyone he doesn't have to...

Obama was the same way... slow to denounce denounce "muslim terrorists" to keep the muslim vote... the only difference was he had the media in his pocket to go along with his bs...

just like white supremacy is full of really terrible ideas, Islam is full of really terrible ideas...

I will gladly concede, the average white supremacist is vile and the average muslim is likely not, but why you're shocked when a politician panders to people who help get him elected, I don't understand...

I don't think the pandering is anything new in any way... I think you're just growing up and now starting to see things that, in the past, you maybe were unaware of...
8trackdisco Offline
#356 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 4:29 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
So, how many SF homeless guys are gonna show hoping to get some free Nazi beers..?? Is Victor gonna pick up a new whacking stick..?? Huh


If slaves were homeless people instead of black folks, Vic would change his stance.
teedubbya Offline
#357 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 4:37 PM EST
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I dunno Opel. I just watched it live and had to leave when he was done. Haven't read anything or watched or listen to anyone telling me what to think about it.

From what I saw and heard I rest with he's a POS.

Obammy was too in his own way, and certainly played the politics, but holy **** this is a new level.

DrafterX Offline
#358 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 4:38 PM EST
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not all slaves were black folks... but neither are the homeless I guess.. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#359 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 4:38 PM EST
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Flat out peice of **** douche.
DrafterX Offline
#360 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 4:39 PM EST
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Laugh


I gotta take into account you already felt that way about him tho... Mellow
opelmanta1900 Offline
#361 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 4:42 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I dunno Opel. I just watched it live and had to leave when he was done. Haven't read anything or watched or listen to anyone telling me what to think about it.

From what I saw and heard I rest with he's a POS.

Obammy was too in his own way, and certainly played the politics, but holy **** this is a new level.


well you'd have to point to some direct quotes if I'm gonna have any idea what you're talking about... everything I read looked like pretty standard politician speak to me...
MACS Offline
#362 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 4:43 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Laugh

I gotta take into account you already felt that way about him tho... Mellow


Yah. He was a Hillary supporter... Mellow
opelmanta1900 Offline
#363 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 4:44 PM EST
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and I agree, obama bad, trump bad... I just fail to see a difference between the one catering specifically to whites and the one that catered specifically to non-whites...
DrafterX Offline
#364 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 4:44 PM EST
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well, you know what they say.. it's easier to hate than love... no matter how bad TW wants to love him... Mellow
8trackdisco Offline
#365 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 4:47 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
not all slaves were black folks... but neither are the homeless I guess.. Mellow


Isn't it weird that the public and gubment are all upset at the drug dealers, while providing narcam for the junkies.

But when it comes to prostitution, Johns don't get free penicillin.

Think
MACS Offline
#366 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 4:48 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
well you'd have to point to some direct quotes if I'm gonna have any idea what you're talking about... everything I read looked like pretty standard politician speak to me...


You're not putting your teedub spin on it.

Nope... wait, you just did. How the hell is Trump 'catering' to whites? You guys realize in order for him to win the election folks who voted for Obama (twice) had to vote for him... or he never would have won.

Yet people are claiming he supports the alt-right and endorses racism. Puh-lease.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#367 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 4:54 PM EST
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I was speaking specifically to the speech he just gave... he was clearly doing a political dance to ensure that he didn't offend a group of his voters who likely don't describe themselves as racist but found themselves on the same side as the klan this past weekend... and that group of people was white... super white...
MACS Offline
#368 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 5:01 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I was speaking specifically to the speech he just gave... he was clearly doing a political dance to ensure that he didn't offend a group of his voters who likely don't describe themselves as racist but found themselves on the same side as the klan this past weekend... and that group of people was white... super white...


Gotcha. I just saw part of the speech. I think I saw the part you were talking about where he said not everyone there was in the klan, or a racist... they were just protesting the removal of the statue.

I can believe that. I think a lot of southern folks are in favor of keeping their historical monuments and confederate flag, yet are not racists or bigots.
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#369 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 5:01 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I dunno but in reality David Duke just thanked trump for his comments .

racists vote... and if they're gonna vote for you, occasionally you're gonna say things they agree with, purposefully or not... that does not make you a racist...
delta1 Offline
#370 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 5:26 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
taking this back off the tracks for a sec...but ^ will never happen....but your question brought to mind a contrast that was seared into my brain decades ago....

When I was first at the Arizona memorial, I was rather surprised by the numbers of Japanese there. Felt a little weird, but at least every single one of them was quiet, pensive, head bowed, respectful.

Later that same year, I was in the Nagasaki Atomic Bomb Museum and I was appalled enough at the loud, laughing, gloating even, by some young Americans that I pulled them aside and chewed them out....I'm still disgusted when I recall it


I know what you mean dstieger...I visited the Arizona Memorial 20-25 years ago, and the old Japanese outnumbered the American visitors...and many of them faced and bowed deeply when they walked by an American...

My shocking moment of disgust occurred when I saw images of the Neo-Nazi white supremacists marching through Charlottesville...more than 90% of them were young (under 35) people...and there were children...something tells me our kids and their kids will still be dealing with this scourge...
TMCTLT Offline
#371 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 5:37 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Drafter it was a group effort I assure you and usually the cops turn a blind eye. It was pre planned and recurrent.

You just sympathize more with one group than another or maybe better said are more appalled about one group than another.




http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/08/report-white-supremacist-unite-right-leader-jason-kessler-obama-occupy-supporter/


Huh...Think
gummy jones Offline
#372 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 6:11 PM EST
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Didn't see the speech (still at work)
Didn't even know he was giving one

Anything short of denouncing all hate and violence and doubling down on enforcing the rule of law would be a failure imo
teedubbya Offline
#373 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 6:12 PM EST
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The quote was in reference to the westboro group. Your gatewaypundint link has nothing to do with the group effort of the freedom guard slashing wesboro tires.
RobertHively Offline
#374 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 6:15 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/08/report-white-supremacist-unite-right-leader-jason-kessler-obama-occupy-supporter/


Huh...Think



"An agent provocateur (French for "inciting agent") is a person who commits, or who acts to entice another person to commit an illegal or rash act or falsely implicate them in partaking in an illegal act. An agent provocateur may be acting out of their own sense of duty or may be employed by the police or other entity to discredit or harm another group (such as a peaceful protest or demonstration) by provoking them to commit a crime, thereby undermining the protest or demonstration as a whole."

You're getting warmer...
TMCTLT Offline
#375 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 6:22 PM EST
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RobertHively wrote:
"An agent provocateur (French for "inciting agent") is a person who commits, or who acts to entice another person to commit an illegal or rash act or falsely implicate them in partaking in an illegal act. An agent provocateur may be acting out of their own sense of duty or may be employed by the police or other entity to discredit or harm another group (such as a peaceful protest or demonstration) by provoking them to commit a crime, thereby undermining the protest or demonstration as a whole."

You're getting warmer...



Yessir Beer
teedubbya Offline
#376 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 6:28 PM EST
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Discredit or harm the nazis. Lmao.

One of the leaders of the group blamed the woman for being too stupid to get out of the way and more would come.

I can not beleive anyone is comfortable siding with the nazis and blaming the left.
teedubbya Offline
#377 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 6:29 PM EST
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Ok. Gotta step out.

See y'all later. Keep keeping on lol.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#378 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 6:32 PM EST
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ya but obama...
Abrignac Offline
#379 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 6:43 PM EST
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For evey action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Thanks Obummer. You've managed to stoke the 🔥. I'm surprised Al hasn't shown up with full cans of gasoline asking what he can do to help.
teedubbya Offline
#380 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 6:45 PM EST
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Strange to see the benefit of the doubt go to the nazis and kkk.

I do agree with one thing though. It's the nazi and kkks game to provoke violence and then blame. Always has been. There was a period when it just didn't work. Taking their bait is a bad move especially today when folks seem to accept them and their tactics.
teedubbya Offline
#381 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 6:49 PM EST
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Is it true most of these statues were erected not directly following the civil war but during the latter part of Jim Crow and during the civil rights movement as a response to both?

My buddy mentioned that to me earlier but I'm not sure how to check that.
DrafterX Offline
#382 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 6:56 PM EST
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Sounds like your buddy was trying to incite outrage.. Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#383 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 7:01 PM EST
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I know the ripped down in NC was erected in 1924... Mellow
Abrignac Offline
#384 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 7:01 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Is it true most of these statues were erected not directly following the civil war but during the latter part of Jim Crow and during the civil rights movement as a response to both?

My buddy mentioned that to me earlier but I'm not sure how to check that.


Make sure you wash your entire arm, not just your hand. You had to reach in real deep to pull that one from the black hole.
teedubbya Offline
#385 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 7:15 PM EST
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I am asking a question. What is the truth?

By the way here is some good footage that won't change any minds and will support both sides. The last 3 minutes is a post protest interview with one of the nazi leaders.

https://news.vice.com/story/vice-news-tonight-full-episode-charlottesville-race-and-terror
opelmanta1900 Offline
#386 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 7:24 PM EST
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Civil War 1861-1865
Jim Crow Laws started 1896 and in 1913 were applied to federal workplaces by then president Woodrow Wilson - ("the Klan began to attempt by intimidation what they were not allowed to attempt by the ballot or by any ordered course of public action".... ya, that guy)...

and here are some of the years that statues commemorating the losers of the biggest mass act of treason ever committed against our great country were built:

ALABAMA
athens 1909
auburn 1893
Birmingham 1905
Birmingham 1906
Camden 1880
Centreville 1910
Demopolis 1923
eufala 1905
fort payne 1913
Greenville 1903
Huntsville 1905
Jasper 1907
Lowndesboro 1929
millbrook 1913
mobile 1874
montgomery 1898
Ozark 1910
troy 198
tuscaloosa 1880
tuskegee 1909

GEORGIA

Andersonville 1908
Augusta 1878
Savannah 1879
thomaston 1908

MISSISSIPPI

Hattiesburg 1910
Liberty 1871
Gulport 1911
Cleveland 1909
Pontotoc 1919
West Point 1907
Tupelo 1906
Corinth 1920
Abrignac Offline
#387 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 7:27 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I am asking a question. What is the truth?

By the way here is some good footage that won't change any minds and will support both sides. The last 3 minutes is a post protest interview with one of the nazi leaders.

https://news.vice.com/story/vice-news-tonight-full-episode-charlottesville-race-and-terror


I wouldn't necessarily tie statue erecting to Jim Crow. Most monuments aren't erected until well after those memorialized have become worm food.
teedubbya Offline
#388 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 7:30 PM EST
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Apparently he was wrong. He was mentioning the 50s.

teedubbya Offline
#389 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 7:30 PM EST
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Apparently he was wrong. He was mentioning the 50s.

opelmanta1900 Offline
#390 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 7:34 PM EST
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well next time you see him, punch him in the nuts and tell him he made you look like a chump in front of anthony...
teedubbya Offline
#391 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 7:36 PM EST
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Nah. I'll just ask him to back up his claim.
bgz Offline
#392 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 7:37 PM EST
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Then punch him in the nuts
teedubbya Offline
#393 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 7:44 PM EST
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What if he's right?
bgz Offline
#394 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 7:51 PM EST
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Then do it with a smile :)
Abrignac Offline
#395 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 7:52 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
What if he's right?



Punch him in the nutz.
Burner02 Offline
#396 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 7:57 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Civil War 1861-1865
Jim Crow Laws started 1896 and in 1913 were applied to federal workplaces by then president Woodrow Wilson - ("the Klan began to attempt by intimidation what they were not allowed to attempt by the ballot or by any ordered course of public action".... ya, that guy)...

and here are some of the years that statues commemorating the losers of the biggest mass act of treason ever committed against our great country were built:

ALABAMA
athens 1909
auburn 1893
Birmingham 1905
Birmingham 1906
Camden 1880
Centreville 1910
Demopolis 1923
eufala 1905
fort payne 1913
Greenville 1903
Huntsville 1905
Jasper 1907
Lowndesboro 1929
millbrook 1913
mobile 1874
montgomery 1898
Ozark 1910
troy 198
tuscaloosa 1880
tuskegee 1909

GEORGIA

Andersonville 1908
Augusta 1878
Savannah 1879
thomaston 1908

MISSISSIPPI

Hattiesburg 1910
Liberty 1871
Gulport 1911
Cleveland 1909
Pontotoc 1919
West Point 1907
Tupelo 1906
Corinth 1920



You sure enjoy living in the past for a young guy. If you are going to dwell on it, spend the time researching and determine what the war was about in the beginning rather than assuming. Also, do a little research on Abe's stance on the situation at the time.
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#397 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 7:59 PM EST
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That driver can sure DRIVE WELL IN REVERSE...

SOMETHING THAT 85% of normal people have NO CLUE AS HOW TO DO EFFECTIVLEY WITHOUT CRASHING....

I'M SMELLING A "WELL TRAINED DRIVER"
In the WOOD PILE...

AND WHY DID THE HELICOPTER CRASH?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#398 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 8:03 PM EST
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Burner02 wrote:
You sure enjoy living in the past for a young guy. If you are going to dwell on it, spend the time researching and determine what the war was about in the beginning rather than assuming. Also, do a little research on Abe's stance on the situation at the time.

Um... i was literally just providing facts - literal facts, not opinionated ones - concerning claims made by an acquaintance of tw's... it looks as though most of the data i was able to find doesn't corroborate that individuals claims... what are you babbling about?
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#399 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 8:03 PM EST
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Mr. Jones wrote:
That driver can sure DRIVE WELL IN REVERSE...

SOMETHING THAT 85% of normal people have NO CLUE AS HOW TO DO EFFECTIVLEY WITHOUT CRASHING....

I'M SMELLING A "WELL TRAINED DRIVER"
In the WOOD PILE...

AND WHY DID THE HELICOPTER CRASH?

I didn't take it very far, but when I saw the clip of that car in reverse, I thought about how amazingly skilled the driver must have been.
Burner02 Offline
#400 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 8:58 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Um... i was literally just providing facts - literal facts, not opinionated ones - concerning claims made by an acquaintance of tw's... it looks as though most of the data i was able to find doesn't corroborate that individuals claims... what are you babbling about?


Not babbling.
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