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NFL players sit/kneel during Nat. Anthem?
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#51 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I can't stop lovin' it either!



Stop it Frank...people are gonna start to hate you...good thing you're old too...less chance of you replacing anybody...
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#52 Posted:
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... shhh delta. No one ever talks about frankj0. No one.






Not since he was quietly replaced in the middle of the night by a jew...
delta1 Online
#53 Posted:
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d'oh!
Anxious
Pray

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that's why they added the "j" to frankj1

accept no substitute
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#55 Posted:
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Today... "Frank will not replace me! " - victor809

Tomorrow "hey guys how's it going... I like all of you."
-victorj810
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#56 Posted:
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victor810 replaced frankj1!
now he's the nice guy...the bassard.
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#57 Posted:
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hi guys

frankjtoo
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delta1 wrote:
JFK and LBJ come to mind...


...so all the other athletes who don't stand for the National Anthem get a pass? Why?

... because they're only lazy, or the fans want them to save their energy for the most important thing: the game...

...or because they didn't say why they're sitting/kneeling/stretching when it's playing?

Colin Kaepernick was supporting the cause of the BLM, which isn't the hate group it's perceived to be. They aren't saying they are better than anyone else, or want something better than everyone else. BLM doesn't want a black only America. They are "for" being treated fairly, treated the same, equal justice...


I'll respectfully disagree with you on that.
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It started with Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf... I remember the NBA took a stand against him and said if you don't stand, you don't play. NBA took a stand, ratings didn't drop, all was good.

NFL, not taking a stand, now has the non-standers and minority racists talking boycott? Really? 150k boycotters I think was quoted, well, the NFL already lost 20 times that much from allowing this group of racists to use their product as a platform for their politics.

Yes, I agree with Anthony, BLM is most definitely a hate group (doesn't matter what they started as, all that matters is what they are now).

Anyway, I prefer not to have politics in my entertainment, it annoys me when they drop current issues into tv shows I watch too (regardless of side).

So I think I'm done watching NFL now, probably just go play golf on Sunday, might sneak in a Bronco game from time to time... definitely won't be buying any merchandise though.

I kind of think it's funny though, how BLM would attempt to destroy the platform that allows so many Black Americans to get out of the ghetto. They're making these demands for a boycott for a backup QB who got exposed years ago and chose to be a militant instead of working on his game. Nobody is going to pay this guy what he wants, not because he's black, not because he's militant, partially because he's a distraction, but mostly because he sucks. Their threat is empty, like I said, the NFL already lost fans due to being pu$$ies and not stopping this sh17 at the gate.


With that, respond to a few things:

jjanecka wrote:
They should make those bassards say the pledge of allegiance or revoke their citizenship.


That's un-American.


delta1 wrote:
That was my way of saying that the pro athletes are paid so much nowadays, they don't give a flip about how they are perceived...hit 'em in the pocket-book, like Colin...

Just going for the hook, to see if anybody remembered...fair enough...


...how do you feel about the athletes (black and white) who invoke and give all credit to God and Jesus when they are interviewed? That's totally cool with most people, right?


... but what would happen if one winning athlete said after a victory: "Allahu Akbar"...



Al, you're pretty salty on this topic!

Personally, I think it's stupid when people work their a$$ off their whole life for something, then give god credit when they hit their goal.



Anyway, I've heard interviews from BLM leaders and their supporters... The bullet points always seems to always be the same.

* White people don't know anything about black people
* We don't want you white people joining us in our activities.
* But we need you white people to do more to be effective to our cause...
* Seriously though, we really don't like you so don't show up at our events.
* It's a black thing, we deserve our own thing.
* But we will go to your events though, and you can't say anything cause that would be racist.
* We understand everything about you white people.
* You white people don't/cant'/are unable to understand us.
* All white people have a certain unalienable privilege.
* No black people have the same privilege.
* We deserve reparations.
* We want your money and all your stuff for what you white people did to our ancestors (yes, I've heard this more than thrice).


Forget/Never knew the fact that most white people in this country aren't direct descendants of any slave traders in this country (slaves were expensive, only the wealthy had them).

Further, their whole reasoning is flawed to begin with... the numbers don't match their narrative... but that's besides the point.

Staying alive with the police is simple, keep your hands where they can see them and be respectful (being respectful doesn't mean not cursing while you have a chip on your shoulder). It really is that simple. Can the cops be d1cks? Sure (I've ran into a few in my life), there's d1cks in every walk of life, in every profession.

So they're being more discriminatory than those they are accusing, so IMO, they are racist organization.


Finally, I believe that everyone is at least a little racist, and it takes work to overcome it. Those that can't or are unwilling to overcome it are discriminatory or otherwise prejudice bigots. I'm not a fan of discriminatory bigots no matter what the color of their skin. Call it what it is, and don't give people a pass on discrimination just because they have darker skin.
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frankj1 wrote:
that's why they added the "j" to frankj1

accept no substitute


It's not an homage to Joe?

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BGZ says "Finally, I believe that everyone is at least a little racist."

I once read that many child molesters believed that everyone had at least a little desire to deflower a young kid.

Stop projecting.


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tailgater wrote:
BGZ says "Finally, I believe that everyone is at least a little racist."

I once read that many child molesters believed that everyone had at least a little desire to deflower a young kid.

Stop projecting.




Wow, that's a pretty disturbing statement. freudian slip?
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#63 Posted:
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Projecting again?
bgz Offline
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Ya, truly disturbed... still can't believe you threw that out there while accusing me of projecting...
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You know I was only making a point.
I just hate when people want to tell me what I think.
Don't you dare tell me that I'm racist to any degree. Unless you base it on fact or you know me better.

Not only are you factually incorrect, your notion is counter productive.
If racists think that EVERYONE has a little racism in them, then they are more apt to act on their vile thoughts.
Yes, just like the pedophile.
It helps them justify their actions. To normalize it on some internal level.


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My position is based on nature and what we are. We're pack animals... as such, we tend to break up into packs.

My position requires believing in evolution though... so I doubt I'll be able to convince you otherwise.

Anyway, you're choice of using pedophilia as your example when you were accusing me of projecting... well, you chose it as your analogy, not me.

With that, I have to take you at your word that you've never had a racist/culteralist thought in your entire life. I must say, it is an honor to meet such a naturally moral being such as yourself.
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bgz wrote:
My position is based on nature and what we are. We're pack animals... as such, we tend to break up into packs.

My position requires believing in evolution though... so I doubt I'll be able to convince you otherwise.

Anyway, you're choice of using pedophilia as your example when you were accusing me of projecting... well, you chose it as your analogy, not me.

With that, I have to take you at your word that you've never had a racist/culteralist thought in your entire life. I must say, it is an honor to meet such a naturally moral being such as yourself.



Racism is prejudice or discrimination towards a person or group based solely on their skin color.
I can be prejudiced towards a group of black people for many reasons. Maybe they're a bunch of thugs. Or punks with pants at their knees. Or maybe they're trying to intimidate me with evil stares.
But I would be equally prejudiced against that group if they were white and did the same things.
I would think they're a bunch of punks who don't deserve another thought. But if they happen to be black YOU think I'm racist.

Which is foolish.

So get over yourself.
You perv.

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I take that back, you're not as moral as you claimed to be.

Keep thinking you are what you think you are, but you're above drivel just proved you aren't, so there's no more need for me to battle with you on this topic.
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That was a battle?
bgz Offline
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Just a little back an forth.
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#71 Posted:
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well, I'm glad that's settled.
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frank, I'm glad you called it. I've never been in an argument with a more righteous man, I don't know how much more I could have handled, being the heathen that I am and all.
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bgz...this is not an argument, but your statements about BLM are not true. Here are some of their guiding principles from their official website:

"We are committed to acknowledging, respecting and celebrating difference(s) and commonalities."

"We are committed to collectively, lovingly and courageously working vigorously for freedom and justice for Black people and, by extension all people. As we forge our path, we intentionally build and nurture a beloved community that is bonded together through a beautiful struggle that is restorative, not depleting."

"We are committed to embodying and practicing justice, liberation, and peace in our engagements with one another."
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Sounds good on paper, but mission statements usually do.

Actions speak louder than words. If you're right delta, their leadership needs to really get their followers in line with their goals.

Hard to look past "dead cops" chants going on at BLM promoted events. So they really need to do more to distance themselves from the violent among them.

They should probably be careful to avoid giving the vibe that they are a separatist organization, because much of what goes on at their events would suggest that they are.

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delta1 wrote:
bgz...this is not an argument, but your statements about BLM are not true. Here are some of their guiding principles from their official website:

"We are committed to acknowledging, respecting and celebrating difference(s) and commonalities."

"We are committed to collectively, lovingly and courageously working vigorously for freedom and justice for Black people and, by extension all people. As we forge our path, we intentionally build and nurture a beloved community that is bonded together through a beautiful struggle that is restorative, not depleting."

"We are committed to embodying and practicing justice, liberation, and peace in our engagements with one another."


simply state that all lives do, in fact, matter and await the vitriol you receive
prepare your jaw to take a punch
does it talk about that on their website?
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bgz wrote:
Sounds good on paper, but mission statements usually do.

Actions speak louder than words. If you're right delta, their leadership needs to really get their followers in line with their goals.

Hard to look past "dead cops" chants going on at BLM promoted events. So they really need to do more to distance themselves from the violent among them.

They should probably be careful to avoid giving the vibe that they are a separatist organization, because much of what goes on at their events would suggest that they are.



he left a good bit out but it is freely on display

Quote:
We are unapologetically Black in our positioning. In affirming that Black Lives Matter, we need not qualify our position. To love and desire freedom and justice for ourselves is a necessary prerequisite for wanting the same for others.


switch around a few of the color words with other colors or groups, etc in that above statement and the there are a few other websites where it would be right at home

http://blacklivesmatter.com/about/
http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/

for the record i just checked out the kkk page, westboro page, black panthers page and a few others and all of them, if you do a good job picking and choosing, have some things on there most can agree with or at least see as reasonable.
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victor809 wrote:
Hah. I don't act guilty for anything. You can't be as arrogant as I am and pretend to feel guilty for some perceived slight.

And I have never in my life seen anyone "demanding" something from me that simple human decency wouldn't have caused me to do anyway.

Maybe you just are missing the simple human decency...



arrogant is the perfect word!
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bgz wrote:
frank, I'm glad you called it. I've never been in an argument with a more righteous man, I don't know how much more I could have handled, being the heathen that I am and all.


You wouldn't be saying that if I were black.

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bgz wrote:
frank, I'm glad you called it. I've never been in an argument with a more righteous man, I don't know how much more I could have handled, being the heathen that I am and all.

I've been in his company, we are non-virtual friends...believe me, he ain't righteous!
He is funny though.
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tailgater wrote:
You wouldn't be saying that if I were black.



WTF does the color of your skin have to do with anything?

I'm arguing with a random brain on the internet, I cannot see you, you cannot see me.

Alas, I have made the same argument to one of my black friends. We don't see eye to eye politically, but yet we are still friends. So yes, I would make the same arguments regardless of the color of your skin.
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My looks precede me.

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frankj1 wrote:
I've been in his company, we are non-virtual friends...believe me, he ain't righteous!
He is funny though.


That's good!

I'm sure that most my online jokes go un-noticed... my sense of humor is a little warped.
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A little follow up to give you an idea of my perspective of things... when you don't really belong to any race, you tend to look at racial issues through a wide view lens.
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We all belong to a race, the human race. That's the only one that matters.
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Speyside wrote:
We all belong to a race, the human race. That's the only one that matters.


Yes, but we got a long way to go before everyone agrees.

100k years, that's how long I think it will take.
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[quote=SpeysideWe all belong to a race, the human race. That's the only one that matters.[[/h]/quote]





THIS
frankj1 Offline
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the Space Race was a good one
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Space jam should have won an Oscar
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bgz wrote:
A little follow up to give you an idea of my perspective of things... when you don't really belong to any race, you tend to look at racial issues through a wide view lens.


That's the only way you'd ever see all of me.


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gummy jones wrote:
Space jam should have won an Oscar


Strawberry jam on Big Bird.
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tailgater wrote:
That's the only way you'd ever see all of me.



with a wide stance?
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victor809 wrote:
Are you surprised? I can't even pretend to feign surprise any longer.



What if this happened in Rugby?
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Quote:
"We are unapologetically Black in our positioning. In affirming that Black Lives Matter, we need not qualify our position. To love and desire freedom and justice for ourselves is a necessary prerequisite for wanting the same for others.


switch around a few of the color words with other colors or groups, etc in that above statement and the there are a few other websites where it would be right at home"


Read the last 5 words...


...then consider the back-drop of racial oppression in this country's history, the living conditions and employment rates and relative power positions of each group now, and it's understandable for a minority group to try to unite to improve their living conditions...better than doing drugs and committing crimes...
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The movement is an ounce of truth wrapped in a bunch of self righteousness and victimization with a sprinkle of hate to taste. All of these exclusive groups follow the same recipe regardless of skin color. Their last sentence is selfish bs and it doesn't follow logically.

They are doing their best to latch onto the homosexual and trans movements which I think actually does a great disservice to the cause of racial injustice. however they mostly care about money and being in the spot light so I guess it makes sense. When gingers become the new black I'm sure they will try to appeal to them too.

But I suppose peaceful racism is better than committing crimes as you say until it is time to burn down Baltimore, Ferguson, etc. As to the doing drugs part of your post I'm sure blm hasn't made the drug folks amongst them get sober.

As to the oppression in our country's history, of course it's awful. My family wasn't even here yet I am privileged enough to be complicit in the crimes from hundreds of years ago? Yay.

I would love to see the list of countries that didn't have slavery amongst other unspeakable atrocities. I'd bet the list of countries that still practice the terrible act is longer. I'll give you a hint as to who is at the top of the list of countries that ended the institution in the civilized world, it rhymes with USA.
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Obviously there is much diversity and harmony here in the USA. I love this country...it is far and away better compared to the few others I've visited. No one is blaming you for the institutionalization and acceptance of a system of justice and law enforcement that in some places seems different from that practiced in other places in this country. If one looks in the right places, it is very apparent. I have seen both...law enforcement that serves and protects and is loved by its community: and law enforcement that punishes, harasses and brutalizes, profiling and discriminating against its community...not in history, but happening every day...

...and that dichotomy can exist within very large big city, large county police departments,as well as small town PD's. While training with LA Sheriff's Dept and Long Beach PD in preparation for the anticipated King verdict riots in the 1990's, I met several varieties of police officers: most were great and honorable people, others shouldn't have been wearing the badge. Some departments have more of the latter...


As for BLM...there hasn't been a lot of violence perpetrated by their protestors...saying things that one vehemently disagrees with is not an act of violence...

MLK was called a violent agitator...the images I remember are him and his followers being beaten, dragged, hosed down, bitten by dogs...sure glad those days are over...
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MLK and blm do not have many similarities in my mind
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gummy jones wrote:
MLK and blm do not have any similarities in my mind



+1
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delta1 wrote:
Quote:
"We are unapologetically Black in our positioning. In affirming that Black Lives Matter, we need not qualify our position. To love and desire freedom and justice for ourselves is a necessary prerequisite for wanting the same for others.


switch around a few of the color words with other colors or groups, etc in that above statement and the there are a few other websites where it would be right at home"


Read the last 5 words...


...then consider the back-drop of racial oppression in this country's history, the living conditions and employment rates and relative power positions of each group now, and it's understandable for a minority group to try to unite to improve their living conditions...better than doing drugs and committing crimes...



https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/item/23660-blm-activist-to-white-folks-your-money-and-your-life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yg1q50B2Lw

https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2017/01/watch-blm-activist-demands-white-people-give-away-money-need-start-killing-people/


Sure...whatever.


When someone shows you who they are...BELIEVE THEM!

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Thanks DMV for pulling the clips I was too lazy to find. The only one of those 3 that I saw before was the last one, but I've seen others.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/item/23660-blm-activist-to-white-folks-your-money-and-your-life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yg1q50B2Lw

https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2017/01/watch-blm-activist-demands-white-people-give-away-money-need-start-killing-people/


Sure...whatever.


When someone shows you who they are...BELIEVE THEM!




Well said DMV....if I may, a couple of excerpts from the 1st of your three links.

"Nothing you have is yours. Let me be clear: Nothing you have is yours.
Also, Let me be see through: Reparations are not donations, because we are not your charity, tax write off, or good deed for the day. You are living off of stolen resources, stolen land, exploited labor, appropriated culture and the murder of our people. Nothing you have is yours"

"We need housing, transportation, food, clothes, free space for meetings and work space; we need laptops, cell phones, encrypted systems for communication, solar power and LAND. Stop playing. Y’all really thought pulling up to the protest in your Hyundai was gonna be enough? Nah. You have to give us everything we need and more, because even if it means you go without — it doesn’t matter because that’s how we been living for 400+ years. Reparations will never be negotiable. So if you’re not willing to talk money, you are not here for #BlackLivesMatter as a movement or for us as individuals."

"Shifting structural power is key. Reparations falls in line with that as well. I don’t want to see white people holding up a damn sign, I want to see white people doing work that will get them killed because that’s how much they want to dismantle antiblackness. Are you willing to die for us? Because Black folks have a death count of 7 million and up. Are you willing to kill for us? Because we get called violent for protesting “peacefully.” At this point, ain’t no white allyship, b. You either an accomplice (and even then, I don’t trust you) or you ain’t sh*t."
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