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Speyside Offline
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Good people do not protest with white nationalists, white supremacists, and nazis. I am ashamed of our president.
DrafterX Offline
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you'll be ok.... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
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Speyside wrote:
Good people do not protest with white nationalists, white supremacists, and nazis. I am ashamed of our president.

the 50% Hillary stated, was way off the mark, but now we have seen who she meant by The Deplorables.
DrafterX Offline
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so, all historical statue preservers are Nazis and all anti-historical statue preservers are Hillary supporters... that simplifies things.... Mellow
TMCTLT Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
the 50% Hillary stated, was way off the mark, but now we have seen who she meant by The Deplorables.




Oh Brother, of ALL the people to accuse others of being Deplorable.
That broad IS the poster child along with her husband. I thought you were above this kind of commentary Frank....
Buckwheat Offline
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If you think, talk and march with Neo-Nazis you're a Neo-Nazi. horse
DrafterX Offline
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I think that's stereotyping... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
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TMCTLT wrote:
Oh Brother, of ALL the people to accuse others of being Deplorable.
That broad IS the poster child along with her husband. I thought you were above this kind of commentary Frank....

it really wasn't an endorsement of Hillary, but at least this event defined the people she meant...as I said, 50% was way off the mark.

But it was nice to see real filth get some national exposure. They've been off camera for too long.
DrafterX Offline
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I heard they were used to being on camera cause they were actors and stuff... Anxious
TMCTLT Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
it really wasn't an endorsement of Hillary, but at least this event defined the people she meant...as I said, 50% was way off the mark.

But it was nice to see real filth get some national exposure. They've been off camera for too long.



Hillary's been getting national attention for a loooong time Frank, no ones apparently willing to do anything about the abhorrent Bitch.
frankj1 Offline
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TMCTLT wrote:
Hillary's been getting national attention for a loooong time Frank, no ones apparently willing to do anything about the abhorrent Bitch.

that may also be true, but I did not vote for her in the primaries nor in the general election...I was just using her phrase and tying it to nazis and their followers.

That is not to say all there were nazis!
jjanecka Offline
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The Klan and National Socialists are not part of the alt-right. They are Democrats through and through.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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Frank: these white supremacists are the deplorables Hillary was talking about.

Paul: Hillary is deplorable!

Frank: Ya, maybe, but i was talking about the white supremacists, not Hillary.

Paul: I'm with you Frank, someone needs to do something about that bitch.

Frank: Seriously, i regret mentioning her name, i wasn't even taking about her, I was taking about -

Paul: Lock her up! Lock her up!
jjanecka Offline
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I mean one of her best buddies is a former grand cyclops and congressman, so yeah, she's pretty deplorable in my book.
dstieger Offline
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jjanecka wrote:
The Klan and National Socialists are not part of the alt-right. They are Democrats through and through.


Wow...hard for me to wrap my brain around that....the definitions and priorities of the Klan and most (all?) other white supremacists are much more closely aligned with alt-right's anti-diversity, white European culture preservation goals...than the Democratic party. Don't confuse economics with anything that happened in Charlottesville
Buckwheat Offline
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jjanecka wrote:
The Klan and National Socialists are not part of the alt-right. They are Democrats through and through.


Dixiecrats not Democrats. Get your terminology right. fog
victor809 Offline
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Opel.. that was hikarious and more insightfully written than i could possibly have managed.
frankj1 Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Opel.. that was hikarious and more insightfully written than i could possibly have managed.

the kid can be pretty funny
frankj1 Offline
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jjanecka wrote:
The Klan and National Socialists are not part of the alt-right. They are Democrats through and through.

I heard they were the difference in the margin of victory both times Obama won.

btw, it took forever to stop JPotts from believing Hitler and nazis weren't commies...right wing fascists through and through. That word "social" threw him off...but not you, um, right?
Speyside Offline
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So what alt right group wrote they were Democrats? Did they forget to mention that was in the first half of the last century? Did they forget to mention that the Republicans and Democrats had the opposite platforms that they do today?
frankj1 Offline
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they are filth no matter how they are registered to vote.
jjanecka Offline
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Spey, the platforms haven't changed at all. Look at history. Why is it thag every time a democrat comes into office for eight years there's always racial tension and predjudice. It's like dems always start something and expect republicans to clean it up. Buchanan (D) came just before Lincoln, JFK/LBJ and Nixon, Clinton and then Bush, Obama then Trump. Every time a democrat gets in office there's some kind of racial outcry, riots happen and the republicans have to go to war in order to keep the whole country together. It's the same thing over and over like a broken record.

Democrats segregate and they use the media to drum up hatespeak but they do it in the thin veil of racial tolerance so it seems like they're always the champions when they're not.

It was the republicans that passed laws allowing blacks to own firearms after the klan who was funded by the democrats werebeating them into the dirt. Once the Klan figured out blacks had the power to defend themselves they backed off. I will never believe not at any point in my life that the klan or nazis will ever be aligned politically with republicans or the right. They're not motivated by the same ideals.
victor809 Offline
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Well that's certainly one poorly argued way to look at it....
Speyside Offline
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The change happened between the 1860s and 1936 jjan.
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Frank: these white supremacists are the deplorables Hillary was talking about.

Paul: Hillary is deplorable!

Frank: Ya, maybe, but i was talking about the white supremacists, not Hillary.

Paul: I'm with you Frank, someone needs to do something about that bitch.

Frank: Seriously, i regret mentioning her name, i wasn't even taking about her, I was taking about -

Paul: Lock her up! Lock her up!


lmao
Buckwheat Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
they are filth no matter how they are registered to vote.


+1 Applause
gummy jones Offline
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politics makes odd bedfellows

but if i had lost my mind for a second and decided to go protest a statue and i saw a bunch of knuckle dragging racists marching towards a bunch of anarchist fascist social justice warriors i would go home.
gummy jones Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
they are filth no matter how they are registered to vote.


filth is too kind a label
Abrignac Offline
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Speyside wrote:
The change happened between the 1860s and 1936 jjan.



Negative ghost rider. Robert Byrd was a democrat as well as a Klan Wizard (oxymoron). Check your history.
frankj1 Offline
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gummy jones wrote:
filth is too kind a label

I'm a nice guy
gummy jones Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
I'm a nice guy


you didnt condemn them enough
you must be one of them
frankj1 Offline
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gummy jones wrote:
you didnt condemn them enough
you must be one of them

yeah, I know, right?

one thing I have not said, shifting the issue to tolerance of free speech is disingenuous.
I am a yuuuge supporter of freedom of speech, a believer that it is meaningless unless pushed to the extreme.

I believe the nazis and their ilk accomplish that test, they spew hatred beyond any intolerance being directed at them.
To use the old "well it takes two to tango" is an irrational way to not just trash those that oppose the nazi message with every cell in their bodies, but to also vaguely legitimize the nazis in a misguided comparison of "they did it too".

This is the enormous error Trump made. Sure, by all means speak to the violence of both sides. Even condemn the anti-protesters for hurting their own cause.

But do not for one minute use that as an equalizer between the philosophies of nazis and anyone who despises their message.

And what the Hell does "Jews will not replace us" even mean? I must have skipped Hebrew School the day they taught us that conspiracy.
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Abrignac wrote:
Negative ghost rider. Robert Byrd was a democrat as well as a Klan Wizard (oxymoron). Check your history.


Anthony, let's als remember that in the late 1960s through the early 1980's, many elected officials with beliefs similar to Byrd left the Democratic Party and found a home either with the Republicans (Jesse Helms, etc.) or created their own parties (George Wallace), as they no longer felt comfortable with the direction their party had taken.

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i listened to a collage a couple days ago of about 100x trump as denounced bigots like the kkk, david duke, etc from the time he was campaigning to this weekend. yet the media repeatedly asks him the same question over and over and over. they really want to drive that narrative.

i think this was sunday
Quote:
“Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis and white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans,” Trump said in a brief statement from the White House.

im not sure what else he is supposed to say

if it is me i condemn all violence and all hate from all sides and i make no apologies - especially if i have already called the racists out many times over.

he makes a lot of mistakes but the media has disagreed in some way with everything he has done/said from the campaign through when he was sworn in and the media holds power over the masses
DrafterX Offline
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yep, and some news outlets won't even mention the quote you stated.. it's more fun to say he didn't condemn them.. and people will listen and repeat.. Mellow
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gummy jones wrote:
i listened to a collage a couple days ago of about 100x trump as denounced bigots like the kkk, david duke, etc from the time he was campaigning to this weekend. yet the media repeatedly asks him the same question over and over and over. they really want to drive that narrative.

i think this was sunday

im not sure what else he is supposed to say

if it is me i condemn all violence and all hate from all sides and i make no apologies - especially if i have already called the racists out many times over.

he makes a lot of mistakes but the media has disagreed in some way with everything he has done/said from the campaign through when he was sworn in and the media holds power over the masses



Of course the Trump haters are going to hate. Not sure why you (and X, and others) dwell on them. If you're busy whining about what's being said on MSNBC, then you're not likely to be near any intelligent dialog.

I think that most people felt that the quote you cite hit the mark. Sure, the haters don't...and many think it should have been said that way a day earlier, but I, for one, thought he was on target and getting it right.

Today, you'll get no such acknowledgement from me. Within 24 hours, he completely wiped out any 'progress' he was making. That quote was straight off a teleprompter....but the next day, without a script, he backed off from it and it was sad.

I'm no shrink, but I believe that he's such an egomaniac that it killed him to have had someone else's words fed to him to try to 'correct' his initial statements. By Tuesday, he couldn't contain himself any longer and needed to revert to his initial message. I still don't think that he's a racist or a supremacists supporter. I do think he's ill qualified to lead the country. Why is he still campaigning? His ego says that he won the election by appealing to certain base issues/concerns and that's where he's comfortable. But, for crissakes, he's the president of ALL Americans and I just don't think he gets that...or doesn't really care. Not sure which is worse.
gummy jones Offline
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dstieger wrote:
...I believe that he's such an egomaniac...

id agree
for the record i think most of these folks (politicians, celebrities, "news" personalities, etc) are
but he definitely shows it more than most

he always was and continues to be his own worst enemy
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gummy jones wrote:
id agree
for the record i think most of these folks (politicians, celebrities, "news" personalities, etc) are
but he definitely shows it more than most

he always was and continues to be his own worst enemy


They ALL are. Trump just doesn't try to camouflage it. Unlike most politicians I don't think Trump's driving motive is to get re-elected.
DrafterX Offline
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Trump and the media are no different than Victor and anybody else in da forums at sometime or another... and Victor gets to play to Trump in this scenario.. Mellow



actually that won't work.... Think
TMCTLT Offline
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Speyside wrote:
Good people do not protest with white nationalists, white supremacists, and nazis. I am ashamed of our president.




They also don't make up excuses as to why a Black man who stated he wanted to KILL COPS....especially WHITE COPS is given a pass by our president who used THEIR memorial to admonish the White community on how we can do better. f him and the racial pot he's been and continues to stir.
TMCTLT Offline
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SmokeMonkey wrote:
Anthony, let's als remember that in the late 1960s through the early 1980's, many elected officials with beliefs similar to Byrd left the Democratic Party and found a home either with the Republicans (Jesse Helms, etc.) or created their own parties (George Wallace), as they no longer felt comfortable with the direction their party had taken.





OR...they simply felt like it was a wise party decision to " infiltrate " the other party while PRETENDING to have actually changed. Or the old **** simply didn't want history to remember him for what he really was...a racist POS
victor809 Offline
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Aww look. It's a gradeschool child saying "But Jimmy did it too!"
TMCTLT Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Aww look. It's a gradeschool child saying "But Jimmy did it too!"



Aww look it's the really smaaaat guy who doesn't understand that grade school is TWO words.
And you cannot deny what I said is true.
victor809 Offline
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And I'm sure you would say it to yourself as you marched next to people screaming "blood and soil"...
TMCTLT Offline
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victor809 wrote:
And I'm sure you would say it to yourself as you marched next to people screaming "blood and soil"...



Just like a sh*t throwing monkey @ the Zoo, well done Vicki

I'm not a racist....never have been and don't appreciate the insinuation asswhole
victor809 Offline
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So you're saying that all the people marching last weekend with the alt-right were racists?
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It was sad and ironic to see an interview of a Neo Nazi white supremacist who was supposedly a leader of a group participating in the Charlottesville protest march criticize Trump for not being racist enough. He advocated for someone more racist to be President, a real man he could respect. He said he couldn't stand to see a beautiful white girl like Trump's daughter be married to a scum Jew like Kushner...

That kinda hit me in the heart. I am an American, born and raised, whose parents came from China. I married a beautiful white women 37 years ago, prolly the best thing that has happened to me...and the knowledge that millions of my fellow citizens are repelled by the sight of my wife and me together, with our kids was, and is heart breaking...happened many times while we traveled through Utah, Idaho, Montana and Wyoming on our way to Yellowstone, one of the most diverse and beautiful places in the world...

These are the people Trump defends and enables, encouraging more of them to flourish. And they are breeding...

That foul mouthed hare brain has the right to free speech...America is great...but not like that...
DrafterX Offline
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And how exactly does he defend and encourage them..?? Huh
TMCTLT Offline
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delta1 wrote:
It was sad and ironic to see an interview of a Neo Nazi white supremacist who was supposedly a leader of a group participating in the Charlottesville protest march criticize Trump for not being racist enough. He advocated for someone more racist to be President, a real man he could respect. He said he couldn't stand to see a beautiful white girl like Trump's daughter be married to a scum Jew like Kushner...

That kinda hit me in the heart. I am an American, born and raised, whose parents came from China. I married a beautiful white women 37 years ago, prolly the best thing that has happened to me...and the knowledge that millions of my fellow citizens are repelled by the sight of my wife and me together, with our kids was, and is heart breaking...happened many times while we traveled through Utah, Idaho, Montana and Wyoming on our way to Yellowstone, one of the most diverse and beautiful places in the world...

These are the people Trump defends and enables, encouraging more of them to flourish. And they are breeding...

That foul mouthed hare brain has the right to free speech...America is great...but not like that...




So Al....your certain that millions of your fellow Americans have hate in their hearts for you because you married a Caucasian woman? Geez, give us a break already and nice attempt @ moral equivalence.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Moral_equivalence
victor809 Offline
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... so would you or would you not march next to the Nazis last weekend tcby? You kind of dodged that.
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