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frankj1 Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Aug 18 2017, 10:41 PM EST
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Bannon!!!

Breaking news, only happened about 20 hours ago...

I couldn't wait any longer. I am stunned, stunned I say, that this yuuuuge piece of major world news has been swept under the rug here.

A major shake up yet again in the formative stages of a young administration, what next?

I'll start the informal poll:

I do not support that nazi. Good riddance.

unofficial rules for this poll...there is no reason at all to invoke the names Obama, Hillary, Mao, Hitler (ok, maybe Hitler), Pelosi, MLK, etc. I'd love to hear why those who support him do so.
Mattie B Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Aug 18 2017, 10:48 PM EST
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Frank

This isn't a debate setup. I honestly know very little about the guy.
Why do you call him a nazi?

Friendly question. No backlash coming from me
frankj1 Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Aug 18 2017, 10:49 PM EST
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mostly to stir up some action!
But I'm sure reasons will become clearer if this thread develops
Speyside Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Aug 18 2017, 11:31 PM EST
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Never supported him.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Aug 18 2017, 11:44 PM EST
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ya, but Stalin...
teedubbya Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 12:00 AM EST
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Mattie he himself said he wanted breitbart to be a communication tool for the alt right which is generally considered a term to dilute or mainstream white supremacists to the point that the ap recently decided to discontinue the term for that very reason.

Don't confuse him giving them the medium with him respecting them however.
delta1 Offline
#7 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 1:00 AM EST
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The leader of a '"collection of clowns...cowards" has just been thrown out of the car...Trump is better off without him...not sure who will tell Trump what to say now, tho...good riddance...

Wonder if Breitbart will still support Trump, or trash him for dismissing the boss...
frankj1 Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 11:59 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
ya, but Stalin...

there's always a loophole...
teedubbya Offline
#9 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 1:30 PM EST
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Stalin was just widely misunderstood and was really quite delicate, emotional and hurt easily. If instead of pushing back at him people had simply given him a hug things would have been different.
frankj1 Offline
#10 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 1:32 PM EST
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a bear hug?
or bare hug?
teedubbya Offline
#11 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 1:33 PM EST
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Well if putin is any indication I'll go with bare.
Mr. Jones Offline
#12 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 1:37 PM EST
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Frank....I AM REPORTING YOU TO:

"PARK RANGER SMITH"
teedubbya Offline
#13 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 1:42 PM EST
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Settle down yogi he was only kidding
frankj1 Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 2:02 PM EST
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banished from Jellystone Park?
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#15 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 8:02 PM EST
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We have one of those here... There's a couple statues of Yogi there... Mellow
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#16 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 9:16 PM EST
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He was a bright spot in an administration pock marked with establishment POS. But people want to root for their side and buy into what they need to.
frankj1 Offline
#17 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 10:03 PM EST
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so that's a "yes"?
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#18 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 10:21 PM EST
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I really don't know how I feel about him. He's pretty cozy with a lot of people in Rome and within the Curia but then also Pope Francis seems to have taken issue with him as well.

If he's as devout of a Catholic as they claim him to be; I can't really say that he's remotely the substance for pro-white, nazi, et cetera. It's just simply not what the Church teaches and for him to believe in those values would not only put him in Anathema but also place him as a schismatic.

I really don't have an exceptional amount of information on the man so I'm going to take the Greek approach to this and say "wait and see."


Now in regard to Trump's cabinet dismissals, this is just a routine situation. He's paid his dues to the people who put him into office and now he's lining up his mid-game decision makers so once again, we'll see.
frankj1 Offline
#19 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 10:42 PM EST
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mid game?
are you giving him a one year term? this turnover has been anything but routine.

if I knew more about Kelly, I might want a military coup!

and Z- I was kidding in #17.
jjanecka Offline
#20 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 10:55 PM EST
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No, by mid-game, I mean he's transitioning to his cabinet that will work for the next 2-3 years or so; maybe longer if he gets re-elected. Cabinet positions are often short lived anyway.
frankj1 Offline
#21 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 10:58 PM EST
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people are fleeing from everywhere, not just cabinet positions
jjanecka Offline
#22 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 10:58 PM EST
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Well a lot of people should leave the country anyway. Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#23 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 11:01 PM EST
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true, but these folks are fleeing DC!
jjanecka Offline
#24 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 11:03 PM EST
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Hahahaha! Trump said he was gonna drain the swamp! Not sure if he meant just the cess-pool or the quagmire.
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#25 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 11:43 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
Bannon!!!

Breaking news, only happened about 20 hours ago...

I couldn't wait any longer. I am stunned, stunned I say, that this yuuuuge piece of major world news has been swept under the rug here.

A major shake up yet again in the formative stages of a young administration, what next?

I'll start the informal poll:

I do not support that nazi. Good riddance.

unofficial rules for this poll...there is no reason at all to invoke the names Obama, Hillary, Mao, Hitler (ok, maybe Hitler), Pelosi, MLK, etc. I'd love to hear why those who support him do so.


Nazi??? Lol how is Steve Bannon a Nazi? Really???? Frank I expect more from you. Those are some very strong words to throw around. Nazis killed millions of Jews and you take their deaths at the hands of pure evil and compare their fate to one of Trumps advisors??? What has he done that compares to what Nazis did? Turn off the fake news FFS!!!
JadeRose Offline
#26 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2017, 6:50 AM EST
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He looks like he he smells like cheap scotch, piss, and stale Pall Malls.
Speyside Offline
#27 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2017, 9:17 AM EST
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I prefer him working at Breitbart. Since I do not follow Breitbart he becomes way less important to me.
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#28 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2017, 9:56 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
true, but these folks are fleeing DC!



AWESOME....forever????

Are they headed to Canada or Europe like they promised??? lol
frankj1 Offline
#29 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2017, 10:06 AM EST
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99cobra2881 wrote:
Nazi??? Lol how is Steve Bannon a Nazi? Really???? Frank I expect more from you. Those are some very strong words to throw around. Nazis killed millions of Jews and you take their deaths at the hands of pure evil and compare their fate to one of Trumps advisors??? What has he done that compares to what Nazis did? Turn off the fake news FFS!!!

ok, you're not wrong, and I appreciate your expectations of me.

I was cavalier when deciding to stir stuff up, and I of all people should show more respect to my own people.

Thank you for that.

Let me try this instead, I consider him one of those on the edge that opens the door for a new reality that give some reason to view neo -nazis/white supremecists/other uglies as mainstream.

These despicable groups have been infiltrating mainstream America through the use of new language (not unlike global warming becoming climate change) and he and his kind are leading the way. They're even portrayed as victims...imagine calling Americans who hate nazis "extremists"!!

They've ditched hoods and nooses for suits and ties, entered our police forces and armed forces, hold elected offices as their muted message has become pallatable with the help clever marketers like Bannon.
frankj1 Offline
#30 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2017, 10:08 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
AWESOME....forever????

Are they headed to Canada or Europe like they promised??? lol

I know, it's a joke. But I wasn't talking about Hollywood types. I was talking about the mass exodus of the heads of Americas largest corporations! These folks aren't snowflakes.
tailgater Offline
#31 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2017, 6:21 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:


Let me try this instead, I consider him one of those on the edge that opens the door for a new reality that give some reason to view neo -nazis/white supremecists/other uglies as mainstream.

These despicable groups have been infiltrating mainstream America through the use of new language (not unlike global warming becoming climate change) and he and his kind are leading the way. They're even portrayed as victims...imagine calling Americans who hate nazis "extremists"!!

They've ditched hoods and nooses for suits and ties, entered our police forces and armed forces, hold elected offices as their muted message has become pallatable with the help clever marketers like Bannon.


Do you honestly believe that America is being controlled by nazis behind the curtain?
Really?
Infiltrating mainstream america?

Look at the lot that showed up in Boston this weekend.
About 200. Total. And not all of them even in the kkk or nazi or skin head or supremacist. Just "free speech" (quotes required) morons trying to make a point of some sort.
20,000 + protesters against 200 thug-wanna-be's.
And you call that infiltrating?

Stop the nonsense. This isn't about racists or statues.
It's entirely political.
Because...Trump.
And they can't stand that he won.
delta1 Offline
#32 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2017, 7:02 PM EST
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At one time, long ago, public appearances by the KKK were very rare...Skokie IL, 1977, was so long ago and so rare, that it made all the news, and the history books, as an example of American idealism being confronted by extremism...

Coincidentally, Skokie happened when a GOP President was in office...but nobody suggested that President Ford had any responsibility for the event...I don't remember if Mr. Ford gave them any comfort, as Trump did with his "both sides and fine people" comments. I sincerely doubt that President Ford felt any affinity for the KKK. Here is a speech President Ford gave at the UI commencement in 1975. After reading it, especially the passage about the black student shaking hands with a white student as if that was a totally natural thing, one senses how Presidential Mr. Ford was, compared to Trump, and Ford was never given credit for his speaking ability...

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=5068


Since Trump's candidacy, white supremacists have been outspoken about their support for him...and Trump's own actions have given them breathing space. They have been openly active, seeking attention and recruiting. Only when pushed, has President Trump issued condemnations. Yet those have been hesitant, equivocal, forced and reversed...he enjoys a lot of positive comments and views on their web-sites...I dunno...apples (Obama) to oranges (Trump)...
frankj1 Offline
#33 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2017, 7:15 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Do you honestly believe that America is being controlled by nazis behind the curtain?
Really?
Infiltrating mainstream america?

Look at the lot that showed up in Boston this weekend.
About 200. Total. And not all of them even in the kkk or nazi or skin head or supremacist. Just "free speech" (quotes required) morons trying to make a point of some sort.
20,000 + protesters against 200 thug-wanna-be's.
And you call that infiltrating?

Stop the nonsense. This isn't about racists or statues.
It's entirely political.
Because...Trump.
And they can't stand that he won.

WOW! Welcome back my friend...but I have no idea where or how you made the leap to "controlling" America from my post.

Forget controlling America, that leads to a moot argument in which I have no position. Infiltrating is planting seeds for the long term, as they have no shot at a quick turnover. And as all zealots throughout history, they will bide their time awaiting the fruit of their plantings.

I said in different words, and there is plenty of support in the matter, that the filth has regrouped and rebranded under the marketing skills and support of Bannon and his ilk. This features tactics on how to be more acceptable/less boogeyman to the same American society that has denounced them for decades...eg enter local police departments, enlist in all branches of the military, run for political office,use different language while doing so, etc. Easily researched. The Police Commissioners and Generals readily admit this has been going on for a while.

Many naive Americans believe wars and public opinion were enough to rid this Earth of the scum. Luckily I understand the deeper meaning of Never Again...it requires constant vigilance.

and to help part of your point, I believe the number may have been less than 50 in Boston, not even close to 200!

Hi Joe!
tailgater Offline
#34 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2017, 7:18 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:



Since Trump's candidacy, white supremacists have been outspoken about their support for him...and Trump's own actions have given them breathing space. They have been openly active, seeking attention and recruiting. Only when pushed, has President Trump issued condemnations. Yet those have been hesitant, equivocal, forced and reversed...he enjoys a lot of positive comments and views on their web-sites...I dunno...apples (Obama) to oranges (Trump)...


It's a case of "careful what you wish for".

People don't like Trump. They don't know why. But they simply don't like him.
So they've assigned negative traits to him.

And they repeat these so often that they believe it.

And now the racists are coming out in public because of it. Not because of Trump. Because of the media and the masses who believe.

It's nonsense.
And I'm not surprised it's happening. Hell, it was predictable.
But I'm surprised at the good and honest and intelligent people who are buying into it.
delta1 Offline
#35 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2017, 7:21 PM EST
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good and honest and intelligent people still argue about the chicken and the egg...
frankj1 Offline
#36 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2017, 7:26 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
It's a case of "careful what you wish for".

People don't like Trump. They don't know why. But they simply don't like him.
So they've assigned negative traits to him.

And they repeat these so often that they believe it.

And now the racists are coming out in public because of it. Not because of Trump. Because of the media and the masses who believe.

It's nonsense.
And I'm not surprised it's happening. Hell, it was predictable.
But I'm surprised at the good and honest and intelligent people who are buying into it.




telling the opposition why they believe what they believe and why they are debating the way they are debating is to not be listening.

you should stop prefacing with the assumptions that "don't like Trump" or "hate that Hill lost" etc. explains the statements of others.

It's a neat little package that simplifies some valid points of consideration, points you are not considering by assuming others have been mind controlled.
tailgater Offline
#37 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2017, 7:27 PM EST
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Arguing, debating or discussing something isn't the same as buying into it.

I think the discussion is a good one.
As a white Christian guy I realize that I don't see everything that happens.
frankj1 Offline
#38 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2017, 8:12 PM EST
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I'm sorry.

tw
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#39 Posted: Mon, Aug 21 2017, 4:08 PM EST
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^ no he isn't....

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