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Poll Question : Pick your poison
Choice Votes Statistics
Become a Communist 1 7 %
Become a Fascist 1 7 %
Neither and Get Ground Up In Middle 11 84 %
Total 13 100%

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8trackdisco Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 9:08 AM EST
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If the reality ends up matching the perception, and democracy is indeed doomed, which side of the fence will you be on?
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 9:11 AM EST
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I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.
JadeRose Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 9:16 AM EST
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None of the above.



The next thing...the only thing...is to keep fighting extremism in whatever form it takes. I don't wanna live in a Fascist world and I also don't wanna live in a gaddam filthy hippy commune.
teedubbya Offline
#4 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 9:27 AM EST
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Neither. Sort of a strange view of the world.
itsawaldo Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 9:35 AM EST
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Poll Question : Pick your poison
Choice Votes Statistics
Become a Communist 0 0 %
Become a Fascist 0 0 %
Neither and Get Ground Up In Middle 0 0 %
Total 0 100%

Forgot to add "Become a Progressive" lol!
KingoftheCove Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 9:39 AM EST
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Eh.............we simply need a plague.
Take the world's human population down to about 500 million.
A reset if you will...........and go from there.
teedubbya Offline
#7 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 9:46 AM EST
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I agree but somehow I think much like cockroaches only the kardashians would survive
Gene363 Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 10:08 AM EST
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itsawaldo wrote:
Poll Question : Pick your poison
Choice Votes Statistics
Become a Communist 0 0 %
Become a Fascist 0 0 %
Neither and Get Ground Up In Middle 0 0 %
Total 0 100%

Forgot to add "Become a Progressive" lol!


Progressive = communist.
Krazeehorse Offline
#9 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 10:12 AM EST
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Wherever I needs to be to gets me my free chit.
Gene363 Offline
#10 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 10:14 AM EST
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Give my liberty or go F yourself, the middle between those choices in intolerable. Libertarian, minus the open borders crap.
8trackdisco Offline
#11 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 11:45 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Neither. Sort of a strange view of the world.


Wow, brilliant. I should have offered a Neither.

So you can't imagine picking between those two?

Eventually, it will come To that.
teedubbya Offline
#12 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 11:59 AM EST
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I just disagree with the premise. No biggie though.
8trackdisco Offline
#13 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 12:03 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I just disagree with the premise. No biggie though.

Because it inclines you to make a choice.

I'm shocked, SHOCKED you are riding the fence.

You'd likely try find middle ground between being for or against cancer.
teedubbya Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 12:14 PM EST
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Lol.

If you really believe that good on you, especially since much of the pissiness is because I do take positions firmly contrary to yours.

I simply disagree with the premise. Not believing your premise that those are the only three choices is a solid position.

Frankly I find the premise emotional and a bit whiney.
teedubbya Offline
#15 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 12:26 PM EST
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And to be clear. Your option does include the middle. But you added the part about getting ground up. I rejected the premise that included a middle option.

Meh. It's a premise you agree with. I don't. It's cool.
victor809 Offline
#16 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 12:36 PM EST
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Not to mention the damn noob put it in the wrong forum.
8trackdisco Offline
#17 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 12:50 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Lol.

If you really believe that good on you, especially since much of the pissiness is because I do take positions firmly contrary to yours.

I simply disagree with the premise. Not believing your premise that those are the only three choices is a solid position.

Frankly I find the premise emotional and a bit whiney.


To the contrary to whiny. The options are stark.

Early in the 1930s, Spain didn't think they'd have the choices I am providing.

Decisions have consequences and many of them are unintended.
teedubbya Offline
#18 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 1:16 PM EST
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I just disagree with the premise. I don't think those are our only choices. That may very well be how you choose to see it or frame it but I don't.

And maybe I'm being too literal 8. I'm willing to reconsider that given more info. I don't get upset or aggravated and turn off other people's opinions when i disagree. I don't totally discount your thoughts even when I disagree with them.

My issue is I don't beleive those are the only options and you are presenting them as the only options as part of reality.

If I'm wrong and you are presenting them as sort of an eff marry kill game then I could answer.

But the choices don't reflect reality to me. If you do believe that I disagree.

We can disagree and I can respect you.

One mans fencepost is another's open mind. I embrace that. But in this instance it didn't apply at all. It's a bit knee jerkish.
gummy jones Offline
#19 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 1:21 PM EST
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The majority, contrary to the msm's portrayal, would choose something completely different
teedubbya Offline
#20 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 1:27 PM EST
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Gummy that's my experience. In real life I don't run in to many that view things like the original premise here. I won't say never but just on the fringes.
SmokeMonkey Offline
#21 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 2:09 PM EST
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To one of TW's points above, about the only reason I look at the Politics section here is I like to challenge my beliefs with those who think differently. Not to argue, which is why I don't post much, but I want to read other people's tales and reasoning on the news of the day. If you don't deeply question your own beliefs, you're doing yourself a disservice, IMO.

Of course, there are a few posters whose opinions I will gloss over, because they've proven themselves incapable of critical thought, putting together or following a logical argument, writing coherently or a combination of them. I don't block them, but I do keep scrolling.
JadeRose Offline
#22 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 3:02 PM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
Because it inclines you to make a choice.

I'm shocked, SHOCKED you are riding the fence.

You'd likely try find middle ground between being for or against cancer.






Hmmmmmm...........I'll go with the Kobayashi Maru option.
Gene363 Offline
#23 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 3:05 PM EST
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gummy jones wrote:
The majority, contrary to the msm's portrayal, would choose something completely different


True, and their answer would vary depending on who they think is asking and how the questions is framed.
victor809 Offline
#24 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 3:10 PM EST
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This is true gene.
I bet if I'd posted the same quiz tons of people would be responding that the premise is faulty ... likely the same person who actually posted it included in that group.
Gene363 Offline
#25 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 3:34 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
This is true gene.
I bet if I'd posted the same quiz tons of people would be responding that the premise is faulty ... likely the same person who actually posted it included in that group.


Yup, humans, not like machines at all. I've found a lot of people get really pissed when you really pay attention to what they say. Not talking But, it can be a lot of fun too. jester
JadeRose Offline
#26 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 5:46 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Yup, humans, not like machines at all. I've found a lot of people get really pissed when you really pay attention to what they say. Not talking But, it can be a lot of fun too. jester




What irritates the $hit outta me, Gene, is when people DON'T pay attention to what you say. When they filter what you say through their own preconceived notions. Most...like 99% of people I talk to, say something about Hillary when I say how much I hate Trump. I didn't f*cking vote for her, either. I, like you I believe, are Libertarian.
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#27 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 6:37 PM EST
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SmokeMonkey wrote:
. If you don't deeply question your own beliefs, you're doing yourself a disservice, I.



You don't have to believe everything you think....Not talking
deadeyedick Offline
#28 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 7:06 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
You don't have to believe everything you think....Not talking


Just as long as you think everything you believe.

I'm outraged that there aren't more choices. Shocked I tell you.
Gene363 Offline
#29 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2017, 7:34 PM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
What irritates the $hit outta me, Gene, is when people DON'T pay attention to what you say. When they filter what you say through their own preconceived notions. Most...like 99% of people I talk to, say something about Hillary when I say how much I hate Trump. I didn't f*cking vote for her, either. I, like you I believe, are Libertarian.


Most people just wait for an opening to tell your their opinion. It can be a debate technique though, "Heard what you said, got no answer, so lets talk about xyz.. not that I would ever do that. Not talking
jjanecka Offline
#30 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2017, 8:47 AM EST
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I'd take a stand for freedom but only if taxes go up.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#31 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2017, 9:10 AM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
What irritates the $hit outta me, Gene, is when people DON'T pay attention to what you say. When they filter what you say through their own preconceived notions. Most...like 99% of people I talk to, say something about Hillary when I say how much I hate Trump. I didn't f*cking vote for her, either. I, like you I believe, are Libertarian.

That's exactly what I'm saying! Someone needs to lock that bitch up!
Speyside Offline
#32 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2017, 9:11 AM EST
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Stuck in the middle.
MACS Offline
#33 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2017, 9:12 AM EST
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Communism results in fascism. They have proven they don't work, and people are not happy.

What we have now, that everyone seems to think is bad... is capitalism. Each according to his ability. Our system is not unfair, it is completely fair. Just because you are born poor, doesn't mean you have to stay there.

I believe most people in our society are happy. Maybe not completely satisfied, but happy. Some folks are happy and satisfied with a new Camry... others want a Ferrari. The difference in people is their abilities and desires to put in the work to improve.

What many of these asspipes want is to benefit from other's work. F*** that.
Gene363 Offline
#34 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2017, 9:48 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Communism results in fascism. They have proven they don't work, and people are not happy.

What we have now, that everyone seems to think is bad... is capitalism. Each according to his ability. Our system is not unfair, it is completely fair. Just because you are born poor, doesn't mean you have to stay there.

I believe most people in our society are happy. Maybe not completely satisfied, but happy. Some folks are happy and satisfied with a new Camry... others want a Ferrari. The difference in people is their abilities and desires to put in the work to improve.

What many of these asspipes want is to benefit from other's work. F*** that.


When I hear, "I want free xyz..." I want to dope slap the head those words came from.
8trackdisco Offline
#35 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2017, 11:26 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Communism results in fascism. They have proven they don't work, and people are not happy.

What we have now, that everyone seems to think is bad... is capitalism. Each according to his ability. Our system is not unfair, it is completely fair. Just because you are born poor, doesn't mean you have to stay there.

I believe most people in our society are happy. Maybe not completely satisfied, but happy. Some folks are happy and satisfied with a new Camry... others want a Ferrari. The difference in people is their abilities and desires to put in the work to improve.

What many of these asspipes want is to benefit from other's work. F*** that.


Not necessarily. Franco beat the commies and had a nice, 40 year run. Generally though, communist regimes have had longer shelf lives.
JadeRose Offline
#36 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2017, 3:22 PM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
Not necessarily. Franco beat the commies and had a nice, 40 year run. Generally though, communist regimes have had longer shelf lives.




Is Franco still dead?
HockeyDad Offline
#37 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2017, 4:51 PM EST
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I'll prolly figure out how to sell weapons to both sides.
fishinguitarman Offline
#38 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2017, 10:40 PM EST
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And go ELI!!!!!
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#39 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2017, 11:38 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I'll prolly figure out how to sell weapons to both sides.

didn't you used to be Arafat?...HA!

how ya been?
Gene363 Offline
#40 Posted: Mon, Aug 21 2017, 9:09 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I'll prolly figure out how to sell weapons to both sides.


Do you still have the re-education camp franchises? Something says they are going to be expanded soon.
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#41 Posted: Mon, Aug 21 2017, 9:41 AM EST
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.


All hail the high queen mother. Long may she reign.
dstieger Offline
#42 Posted: Mon, Aug 21 2017, 9:50 AM EST
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Applause
SmokeMonkey wrote:
To one of TW's points above, about the only reason I look at the Politics section here is I like to challenge my beliefs with those who think differently. ... If you don't deeply question your own beliefs, you're doing yourself a disservice, IMO.

..


I, too, believe this is very important. And, something that is lacking today that may be largely responsible for removing a great deal of the civility out of discourse.
delta1 Offline
#43 Posted: Mon, Aug 21 2017, 12:39 PM EST
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yes...and trying to ignore the false thinking traps of: listening to only one source of information; looking at who is saying what before hearing what is said; disregarding info based on the source without actually looking at it; and forming beliefs based on that.

News can come from sources on all sides of the political spectrum...but one shouldn't equate news with fact.

Though people may choose the middle, I suspect they'll lean one way or another, or wait to see who is winning and jump on the wagon.
MACS Offline
#44 Posted: Mon, Aug 21 2017, 12:44 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
yes...and trying to ignore the false thinking traps of: listening to only one source of information; looking at who is saying what before hearing what is said; disregarding info based on the source without actually looking at it; and forming beliefs based on that.

News can come from sources on all sides of the political spectrum...but one shouldn't equate news with fact.

Though people may choose the middle, I suspect they'll lean one way or another, or wait to see who is winning and jump on the wagon.


You mean like every time I post a Prager video and all the lefties dismiss it because it's a Prager video? Like that?

What if I posted info from Larry Elder, or Tommy Sotomayor? No bueno, right? Because their facts and statistics don't jive with the agenda of the left?

Just asking.
delta1 Offline
#45 Posted: Mon, Aug 21 2017, 1:06 PM EST
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Yes, exactly like that, in all honesty. I was talking in an aspirational sense...we SHOULD look at info, dissect it, check it's validity before dismissing or agreeing with it...it's too easy to dismiss or eat up info out of hand...too lazy intellectually, but we all do it, at times.

It's because we have pretty much arrived at our sense of values, biases, prejudices and know which information sources to get affirmation from by this point in our lives. I remember when you and I were among the few on here who praised Al Jazeera News when it came on the scene. That's an example of intellectual curiosity that I'm trying to describe. It's like I know what I like and who gives me what I like, but I gotta keep growing and check out different stuff.

MACS Offline
#46 Posted: Mon, Aug 21 2017, 2:30 PM EST
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^^True.

My wife likes to point out that I do the same thing I yell at other drivers for doing. d'oh!

So yes, I believe we're all guilty of at least a bit of hypocrisy. Sucks to have to admit it, though.
8trackdisco Offline
#47 Posted: Mon, Aug 21 2017, 3:48 PM EST
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Decent points.

My lefty friends think I'm more or less the same. My righty friends think I'm practically a Hillary supporter. So if I take all of that in and look at the data, I guess I've moved a shade to the left.

I don't mind listening to left leaning sites or radio. Have been listening to Wisconsin and National Public Radio for five or six years. I can't listen to the far left. Nor the far right.

I've just fired my once favoriate podcast- Marketplace. Always knew the guy was slightly to the left, but went nuts and continues to go off on Trump (lazy targeting) and spent one full episode on all the liberal side of every argument. Simply put, white, straight males are the enemy and they need to be neutralized or removed.

I'd love to find two podcasts, one on just the right, and one to the left of center and hear two reasonable people explaining their persepctive.

I don't play dungeons and dragons- so I don't care to hear 16 sides of the issue and agreeing with all of them. Nor, do I have the heart, stomach or ear to listen to our reisdent higher pitched Rachel Maddow wannaboy.

Anything too close to regurgitation of MSNBC talking points, I have no stomach for.
Gene363 Offline
#48 Posted: Mon, Aug 21 2017, 3:57 PM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
Decent points.

My lefty friends think I'm more or less the same. My righty friends think I'm practically a Hillary supporter. So if I take all of that in and look at the data, I guess I've moved a shade to the left.

I don't mind listening to left leaning sites or radio. Have been listening to Wisconsin and National Public Radio for five or six years. I can't listen to the far left. Nor the far right.

I've just fired my once favoriate podcast- Marketplace. Always knew the guy was slightly to the left, but went nuts and continues to go off on Trump (lazy targeting) and spent one full episode on all the liberal side of every argument. Simply put, white, straight males are the enemy and they need to be neutralized or removed.

I'd love to find two podcasts, one on just the right, and one to the left of center and hear two reasonable people explaining their persepctive.

I don't play dungeons and dragons- so I don't care to hear 16 sides of the issue and agreeing with all of them. Nor, do I have the heart, stomach or ear to listen to our reisdent higher pitched Rachel Maddow wannaboy.

Anything too close to regurgitation of MSNBC talking points, I have no stomach for.



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