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DrafterX Offline
#51 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
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I guess my insurance company finally gave up.. they used to call and ask for pics and serial numbers of my guns... I never did and they haven't called in a couple years or so... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#52 Posted:
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Posts: 95,637
Prolly just not insured.
Hillbillyjosh770 Offline
#53 Posted:
Joined: 02-09-2014
Posts: 2,999
DrafterX wrote:
A lot of da anchor babies come from China.. pregnant Chinese wimmens fly into San Francisco to drop their babies... Mellow


I gotta poop baby...!
Hold baby tealwe cross borda!
deadeyedick Offline
#54 Posted:
Joined: 03-13-2003
Posts: 16,957
dkeage wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, the entire state of Wyoming will only have BCBS offering insurance next year.


When you have one choice you have no choice.

I know some of you "one Payer" libs think it is just terrible for an insurance industry to make any profit but they are a business and I doubt you would work for free or run a business that way yourself. But as long as it's someones else's money why worry?

Now back to the original question.
frankj1 Offline
#55 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,211
Liberal Americans believe in capitalism too. Profits are expected and desired.

Obscene bonuses and the like are not covered.
SteveS Offline
#56 Posted:
Joined: 01-13-2002
Posts: 8,751
frankj1 wrote:
Liberal Americans believe in capitalism too. Profits are expected and desired.
Obscene bonuses and the like are not covered.


I must be more of a liberal than I'd imagined ... who'd a thunk it ??

as for the DACA question ... they're ILLEGAL aliens ... what part of ILLEGAL is so difficult to understand ?????
DrafterX Offline
#57 Posted:
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Posts: 98,508
I bet Obama is pissed... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#58 Posted:
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Posts: 98,508
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/05/president-trumps-statement-on-daca.html


Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#59 Posted:
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
I actually think Trump is going about this right. Congress needs to fix it. This was a temporary band aid with dubious legality.

Obama said he wasn't king and can't just do it, then did. He was probably wrong. Trump was wrong with his travel ban for much the same reasons. But in this case I think he's right.

Fix it congress. We may disagree with the fix, but congress needs to step up.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#60 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,301
teedubbya wrote:
I actually think Trump is going about this right. Congress needs to fix it. This was a temporary band aid with dubious legality.

Obama said he wasn't king and can't just do it, then did. He was probably wrong. Trump was wrong with his travel ban for much the same reasons. But in this case I think he's right.

Fix it congress. We may disagree with the fix, but congress needs to step up.


Kept telling everyone he was the Kenyan King...as for Trump...you are on the mark TW. He wants a real fix and not some band-aid.

Thinking Congress is going to actually do something...that's a whole other matter. They're happiest doing nothing.
DrafterX Offline
#61 Posted:
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Posts: 98,508
Those Bassards.. Mad
delta1 Offline
#62 Posted:
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Yep, they'll prolly toss it back to Trump by doing nothing...letting DACA lapse after the 6 month deadline and not having any bill ready for Trump to sign... forcing Trump to decide what to do...

Congress will be busy during the next couple of months with the debt limit and budget coming up, then their stated goal to do tax reform...plus all the libraries, post office branches and parks that need to be re-named...
bs_kwaj Offline
#63 Posted:
Joined: 02-13-2006
Posts: 5,214

Isn't DACA a record company?

Beer
frankj1 Offline
#64 Posted:
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Posts: 44,211
bs_kwaj wrote:
Isn't DACA a record company?

Beer

you old fart!
I have some 45's from Decca
SteveS Offline
#65 Posted:
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Posts: 8,751
DrMaddVibe wrote:
Thinking Congress is going to actually do something...that's a whole other matter.
They're happiest doing nothing.


they won't alienate voters with non-action ... but taking a stance and voting, whether for or against something is sure to piss off a hearty number of the folks back home ...
SteveS Offline
#66 Posted:
Joined: 01-13-2002
Posts: 8,751
bs_kwaj wrote:
Isn't DACA a record company?

frankj1 wrote:
you old fart!
I have some 45's from Decca


prolly have the means to play 'em too ... he's obviously not the only old fart in THAT exchange ...

I'm guessing there's a sizeable segment of the population of this forum who're reading this and saying "huh?"
bs_kwaj Offline
#67 Posted:
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Posts: 5,214
fog

Herfing
DrafterX Offline
#68 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,508

my girl don't go for smokin'
and liquor just make her flinch
seems she don't go for nothin'
'cept for my big 10 inch

record of a band that plays the blues
band that play the blues
she just love my big 10 inch
record of her favorite blues...Laugh
Abrignac Offline
#69 Posted:
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Riddle me this: Aren't we a country that believes in the rule of law? Didn't that *** actually say that numerous times? But, instead of following the rule of law, he pens an executive order where he basically abdicates his constitutional responsibility not to mention failing to uphold his oath of office for by issuing such an order?

Please tell me where in the constitution does it allow the president to usurp the l legislative process. Congress wrote our current immigration laws that were lawfully enacted. Even if congress fails to act, the president has no legal authority to bypass congress and make or enforce policy inconsistent with the law.

This is similar to someone who has a traffic warrant that is 15 years old. It's still a valid warrant. No different that being here illegally. They are still in the county illegally. If we say that it's ok, then what next do we say is ok even though there are laws on the book that are contrary?

Obama is to blame for this. He implemented a policy while at the same time attempting to politically tie future administrations hands. His entire administration was arbitrary. He created this mess they pawned it off on future administrations. It's a classic triangulation. James Carville must have a permanent smile etched on his face.

bgz Offline
#70 Posted:
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^well said.
TMCTLT Offline
#71 Posted:
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Posts: 19,733
bgz wrote:
^well said.



VERY +1
teedubbya Offline
#72 Posted:
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I agree. I also agree in reverse on the travel ban.

I think the scanner is working to make sure there is no metal in the meat.

In the end the dreamers may end up better off.
TMCTLT Offline
#73 Posted:
Joined: 11-22-2007
Posts: 19,733
teedubbya wrote:
I agree. I also agree in reverse on the travel ban.

I think the scanner is working to make sure there is no metal in the meat.

In the end the dreamers may end up better off.





Let the bastids "dream" about making their own country Great Again!!!!
bgz Offline
#74 Posted:
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^rofl (actually laughed)
delta1 Offline
#75 Posted:
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Posts: 28,754
America's Big Business, the people who actually run this country, overwhelmingly want to keep DACA...part of the strategy to keep wages low, increase profits, make big salaries and bonuses for CEOs, dividends for shareholders...

DACA is a winner for the 1% disguised as an empathetic concern for innocent children, incapable of having criminal intent, who were brought into this country without choice, and have assimilated into the country and adopted our values...a sizable majority of Americans, among those uninformed who do not post here, support DACA...

The Latino portion of the American market is the fastest growing sector and needs to be fed and exploited...
bgz Offline
#76 Posted:
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Any time the "think of the children" argument comes up, it's because they're trying to take away your money.

Anytime they equate something to nazis, it's because they're trying to take away your rights.
jjanecka Offline
#77 Posted:
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Posts: 4,334
^^^^^^ THIS
robo60 Offline
#78 Posted:
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#69, #75, and #76. Spot on! Could not have said it better. That Carville **** does have a permanent smile on his face.
dstieger Offline
#79 Posted:
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Posts: 10,889
Agree that not acknowledging the 'illegal' part is totally inexplicable. But, I do have some compassion (see, Jones!) for those that came here as minors without choice.

Don't have all the small details worked out, but my wife has a plan that I can get behind:

- Dreamers can stay and even work towards citizenship if they meet some criteria

Arrived as minor
Been here more than 5 years
No criminal convictions -- need to work out exactly where this line will be drawn, but I might even include truancy
Pass a 'rudimentary' English test
Mandatory 2 years public (or military) service
Once mandatory service complete, they can be issued a Green Card


'Future' illegal minors who manage to hide for more than five years might get dreamer opportunity...not sure yet...maybe with increasing length of public service? After 2020, three years? After 2025, five years?....I don't want to encourage future illegals, so, I'd make the risk increasingly great....but, I'm a long ways from deporting every illegal...especially those that came here as minors....even later

The cost of a government managed compulsory service program scares me...somehow it needs to be offset by the dreamer labor/service...I'll figure that part out later

The more I think about it, the more that I can probably get behind compulsory service for our citizen kids, too...6 months, maybe....a year even?...completed between ages of 17 and 24?
TMCTLT Offline
#80 Posted:
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Posts: 19,733
Like I said before.....

Let them return to their country of Origin and Make It Great Again....We owe them NOTHING...let THEOR own government create opportunities for them...THERE.


BUILD THAT WALL


And END the Anchor Baby Program ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!
dstieger Offline
#81 Posted:
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Posts: 10,889
TMCTLT wrote:
Like I said before.....

Let them return to their country of Origin and Make It Great Again....We owe them NOTHING...let THEOR own government create opportunities for them...THERE.


BUILD THAT WALL


And END the Anchor Baby Program ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!



Who's stopping them?

What's your plan, Paul? Just how are you going to deport 800,000 dreamers? And will you do it before/at the expense of deportation of criminals and other non-dreamers?

I get you hate illegal immigrants. There has never been any question as to your stance there. But, how are do you propose to execute your vision? The deportations? Funding an impenetrable border? Slogans and principles are great. Reality sometimes gets in the way of ideals...Instead of yelling about the problem....what's the solution?
ZRX1200 Offline
#82 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,476
Foreign college tuition not in state.

Punish employers who hire illegals.

It will fix itself.
TMCTLT Offline
#83 Posted:
Joined: 11-22-2007
Posts: 19,733
dstieger wrote:
Who's stopping them?

What's your plan, Paul? Just how are you going to deport 800,000 dreamers? And will you do it before/at the expense of deportation of criminals and other non-dreamers?

I get you hate illegal immigrants. There has never been any question as to your stance there. But, how are do you propose to execute your vision? The deportations? Funding an impenetrable border? Slogans and principles are great. Reality sometimes gets in the way of ideals...Instead of yelling about the problem....what's the solution?


LMAO....why the F would they leave when we roll out the RED CARPET for them????

MANY / MOST.....got here on their own, STOP supporting them or creating opportunities for them and they'll SELF DEPORT...just like they SELF ARRIVED ILLEGALLY. Someone needs to explain to these brats that their parents are LAW BREAKERS who are NOT to be rewarded for their actions. These brats stand on the steps of our State Houses with their Mexican flags demanding one thing after another....WE OWE THEM NOHING
I think all of you who are so ready to take these little darlings who DEMAND they get to stay and use untold amounts of OUR resources need to sign up to care for and financially support them, lets see just how generous you really are.
DrafterX Offline
#84 Posted:
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Posts: 98,508
Think
If I support one how long do I get to keep it..?? I could use some help around the house and stuff... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#85 Posted:
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Posts: 55,301
bgz wrote:
Any time the "think of the children" argument comes up, it's because they're trying to take away your money.

Anytime they equate something to nazis, it's because they're trying to take away your rights.



POST OF THE YEAR CANDIDATE!!!!
Mr. Jones Offline
#86 Posted:
Joined: 06-12-2005
Posts: 19,359
I
A.B.S.O.L.U.T.E.L.Y.
LOVE IT WHEN...

CHEETO YELLS TO CONGRESS...

"DO YOUR JOB"...

concerning recinding DACA legislation...
Why??? he didn't just grab ANOTHER
YUUUUUGGGGEEEE
BLACK LEGAL SIZED LEATHER BINDER....

AND MAKE ANOTHER
EXECUTIVE ORDER ( like barry) and he did every day
For his first 3 months in office...
I'll never know...
TMCTLT Offline
#87 Posted:
Joined: 11-22-2007
Posts: 19,733
Mr. Jones wrote:
I
A.B.S.O.L.U.T.E.L.Y.
LOVE IT WHEN...

CHEETO YELLS TO CONGRESS...

"DO YOUR JOB"...

concerning recinding DACA legislation...
Why??? he didn't just grab ANOTHER
YUUUUUGGGGEEEE
BLACK LEGAL SIZED LEATHER BINDER....

AND MAKE ANOTHER
EXECUTIVE ORDER ( like barry) and he did every day
For his first 3 months in office...
I'll never know...



I'm guessing because EO's can be reversed with the next sitting POTUS...where if done by Congress it would have to be Undone by Congress.
Mr. Jones Offline
#88 Posted:
Joined: 06-12-2005
Posts: 19,359
#84 drafter....

Just ask
Sara McLaughlin the unkown singer hippie Chick who schills on late night "off channels" TV for
Animal cruelty....

She starting a new charity... "Adopt a DACA SPAWN"
And make them legal...FOREVER...
dstieger Offline
#89 Posted:
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Posts: 10,889
:) Sometimes, Mr. Jones, you are funny when you're trying to be
delta1 Offline
#90 Posted:
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I dunno...who we gonna blame for our problems if we get rid of all the illegals?


The 1% at the top did more damage to this country (and the world) and hurt many more people about 10 years ago than the 800K DACA dreamers have or will ever do...but we gave them a pass...and they are building steam and getting ready to drop the next load of cr*p on all of us...anyone paying any attention at all to Wells Fargo?
DrafterX Offline
#91 Posted:
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Former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton is encouraging her supporters to “fight with everything” they've got to defend the Obama-era program that stops illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. at a young age from being deported.


But just a few years ago, in an interview that has resurfaced online, Clinton called for sending back illegal immigrant children who crossed the border to “send a clear message” that such crossings won’t be tolerated by the United States.

That interview, conducted in June 2014 on CNN, has been shared online by critics as Clinton protests President Trump’s decision to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, program.

“We have to send a clear message, just because your child gets across the border, that doesn't mean the child gets to stay,” Clinton said at the time. “So, we don't want to send a message that is contrary to our laws or will encourage more children to make that dangerous journey.”

Film at 11.... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#92 Posted:
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dat bitch...she musta thought she was in the Fox studio...
DrafterX Offline
#93 Posted:
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Laugh
Abrignac Offline
#94 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
I dunno...who we gonna blame for our problems if we get rid of all the illegals?


The 1% at the top did more damage to this country (and the world) and hurt many more people about 10 years ago than the 800K DACA dreamers have or will ever do...but we gave them a pass...and they are building steam and getting ready to drop the next load of cr*p on all of us...anyone paying any attention at all to Wells Fargo?


So you're going to use deflection to justify something? Weak sauce...
Abrignac Offline
#95 Posted:
Joined: 02-24-2012
Posts: 17,217
dstieger wrote:
Agree that not acknowledging the 'illegal' part is totally inexplicable. But, I do have some compassion (see, Jones!) for those that came here as minors without choice.

Don't have all the small details worked out, but my wife has a plan that I can get behind:

- Dreamers can stay and even work towards citizenship if they meet some criteria

Arrived as minor
Been here more than 5 years
No criminal convictions -- need to work out exactly where this line will be drawn, but I might even include truancy
Pass a 'rudimentary' English test
Mandatory 2 years public (or military) service
Once mandatory service complete, they can be issued a Green Card


'Future' illegal minors who manage to hide for more than five years might get dreamer opportunity...not sure yet...maybe with increasing length of public service? After 2020, three years? After 2025, five years?....I don't want to encourage future illegals, so, I'd make the risk increasingly great....but, I'm a long ways from deporting every illegal...especially those that came here as minors....even later

The cost of a government managed compulsory service program scares me...somehow it needs to be offset by the dreamer labor/service...I'll figure that part out later

The more I think about it, the more that I can probably get behind compulsory service for our citizen kids, too...6 months, maybe....a year even?...completed between ages of 17 and 24?


I have to disagree. We are either a country of laws are we are not. Kinda like pregnancy. Doesn't matter if conception happened 2 seconds ago 115 days ago. It's still a pregnancy.

There should be absolutely no incentive to break laws. Yet, the left wants to welcome them with open arms. They allow them to attend college at in-state rates, they receive better healthcare than veterans wounded in service to our country. Why? Because this isn't about humanitarianism to the left, it's because they expect that the vast majority of those who entered this country illegally if allowed to stay will vote democratically. In other words, this entire charade is about using the Federal treasury to by votes for the democratic party.
DrafterX Offline
#96 Posted:
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I'm still puzzled by the evil 1% thing... These are the guys that employ millions of tax paying property owners right..?? Yet they are the bad guys.. what if they took their money and closed up shop.. Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#97 Posted:
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Posts: 98,508
I'm still puzzled by the evil 1% thing... These are the guys that employ millions of tax paying property owners right..?? Yet they are the bad guys.. what if they took their money and closed up shop..?? Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#98 Posted:
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d'oh!
Abrignac Offline
#99 Posted:
Joined: 02-24-2012
Posts: 17,217
dstieger wrote:
Agree that not acknowledging the 'illegal' part is totally inexplicable. But, I do have some compassion (see, Jones!) for those that came here as minors without choice.

Don't have all the small details worked out, but my wife has a plan that I can get behind:

- Dreamers can stay and even work towards citizenship if they meet some criteria

Arrived as minor
Been here more than 5 years
No criminal convictions -- need to work out exactly where this line will be drawn, but I might even include truancy
Pass a 'rudimentary' English test
Mandatory 2 years public (or military) service
Once mandatory service complete, they can be issued a Green Card


'Future' illegal minors who manage to hide for more than five years might get dreamer opportunity...not sure yet...maybe with increasing length of public service? After 2020, three years? After 2025, five years?....I don't want to encourage future illegals, so, I'd make the risk increasingly great....but, I'm a long ways from deporting every illegal...especially those that came here as minors....even later

The cost of a government managed compulsory service program scares me...somehow it needs to be offset by the dreamer labor/service...I'll figure that part out later

The more I think about it, the more that I can probably get behind compulsory service for our citizen kids, too...6 months, maybe....a year even?...completed between ages of 17 and 24?


I have to disagree. We are either a country of laws are we are not. Kinda like pregnancy. Doesn't matter if conception happened 2 seconds ago 115 days ago. It's still a pregnancy.

There should be absolutely no incentive to break laws. Yet, the left wants to welcome them with open arms. They allow them to attend college at in-state rates, they receive better healthcare than veterans wounded in service to our country. Why? Because this isn't about humanitarianism to the left, it's because they expect that the vast majority of those who entered this country illegally if allowed to stay will vote democratically. In other words, this entire charade is about using the Federal treasury to by votes for the democratic party.
DrafterX Offline
#100 Posted:
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And the childrens... They'll vote someday.. Mellow
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