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victor809 Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, Sep 9 2017, 1:02 PM EST
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https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/9/8/16270040/trump-clinton-supporters-racist

And here is the actual study.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzCuEQv_ZRf4RGlTbGhQSW0tVDQ/view
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, Sep 9 2017, 1:15 PM EST
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Mellow
delta1 Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, Sep 9 2017, 2:01 PM EST
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The picture of the black man was clearly prejudicial...everybody knows that was Tyereen "Hard" Knox, Crips founder, drug dealer and suspected murderer...


iirc, there were similar studies done back in the 60's to show racial bias against blacks. Participants were asked to express favorable vs unfavorable opinions about an image of a person and an associated idea. Whites showed most negative opinions when viewing a black person, who were viewed most negatively among all groups by participants of all races and backgrounds...even among blacks...
DrafterX Offline
#4 Posted: Sat, Sep 9 2017, 3:02 PM EST
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I think the survey would have different results in different places.. Mellow
delta1 Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, Sep 9 2017, 9:10 PM EST
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nah...different places wouldn't have too big a difference in results....


but if you changed the picture of the black dude, and replaced it with a picture of a different black male, say Urkel....whole nother ballgame....
MACS Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Sep 9 2017, 9:14 PM EST
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phPXTWJhnYM
delta1 Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Sep 10 2017, 12:57 PM EST
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I don't think putting Elder's picture in the test instead of the one selected would change the results that much... this would:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XREiBdH8_z4



Elder is an effective spokesman for those who like the message that there isn't racism, just that the culture in much of black America is at the root of their problems...notice how he switched the conversation away from law enforcement/black community tensions over officer involved shootings to statistics about black on black crime...


to this day, police agencies do not/are not required to count officer involved shootings by the subject's race, so there aren't definitive data...but Stanford is making an effort by doing painstaking research reviewing files from all over the country
MACS Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Sep 10 2017, 4:55 PM EST
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If racism is so prevalent (and I do not believe it is, except for your extremists like the kkk and blm) explain black lawyers, cops, judges, ceo's, entertainers, politicians, etc. Nothing prevents anyone from success but themselves and their excuses.

Explain why 13% of the population commits 52% of the homicides? Thug life, bitches!! It is glamorized in movies, music, and the neighborhoods. He, and Tommy Sotomayor, believes it is the culture. I agree.
victor809 Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Sep 10 2017, 5:02 PM EST
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So your argument against a study suggesting a correlation between Trump supporters and a knee jerk reaction to negatively think of any proposal simply because you saw a black face immediately before being asked it... is that racism can't possibly exist. But anyway blacks commit a disproportionate number of crimes....

I think you're proving my point... (assuming you voted for trump)
teedubbya Offline
#10 Posted: Sun, Sep 10 2017, 5:04 PM EST
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Not everyone is racist and those that are are not always extreme about it.

Racism is often subtle and more prevalent than many know. It's more than the kkk or blm.

I used to see and think like you MACS. But I've seen things that have changed my mind.

I've also experienced racism against me while in Puerto Rico. Nothing major but a few very clear examples. What was obvious is it was fueled by fear and ignorance. It was as amusing as aggravating to me but if I had to deal with it more frequently I'd be pretty pissed.
DrafterX Offline
#11 Posted: Sun, Sep 10 2017, 5:11 PM EST
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Laughing at your weiner is racist..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#12 Posted: Sun, Sep 10 2017, 5:14 PM EST
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Anti Irish.
DrafterX Offline
#13 Posted: Sun, Sep 10 2017, 5:22 PM EST
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Those Bassards..!! Mad
teedubbya Offline
#14 Posted: Sun, Sep 10 2017, 5:30 PM EST
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They hate ginger deke.
MACS Offline
#15 Posted: Sun, Sep 10 2017, 6:20 PM EST
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The entire argument that Trump supporters are racist is f***ing nonsense.

The fact that anyone did a study is f***ing nonsense.
DrafterX Offline
#16 Posted: Sun, Sep 10 2017, 6:23 PM EST
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True.. True.... But if they say it enough times it'll become fact...Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#17 Posted: Sun, Sep 10 2017, 6:31 PM EST
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didn't read the story, probably won't...

are they proposing that Trump supporters are racist, or racists were more inclined to support Trump than Hillary?
DrafterX Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, Sep 10 2017, 6:38 PM EST
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Both... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#19 Posted: Sun, Sep 10 2017, 8:27 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
The entire argument that Trump supporters are racist is f***ing nonsense.

The fact that anyone did a study is f***ing nonsense.



I dunno. They had a hypothesis... two actually... and they tested the hypothesis and found evidence to support it.

If they found evidence to support the hypothesis, it seems sort of strange to call the study nonsense. I mean.... nonsense would be if they found no difference. But hey... you can say it's nonsense all you want. Heck, you can do your own study to show there is no difference between trump supporters and trump "opposers".... (their words not mine). No one is stopping you from getting better information.

Frank...their hypothesis are:
Hypothesis 1: for Trump supporters, subtle presentation of a black racial cue—versus a
white racial cue—will (a) decrease support for government housing assistance, (b)
increase anger that some people receive government assistance, and (c) increase the
belief that individuals are to blame for their situation.
Hypothesis 2: for Trump opponents, the presence of a black (versus a white) racial cue
will (a) increase support for government housing assistance, (b) decrease anger towards
people receiving government assistance, and (c) decrease their belief that individuals are
to blame for their situation.


Within the constraints of their study they found this to be consistent. Obviously, more studies should be done... but I don't think there is much surprise here.
DrafterX Offline
#20 Posted: Sun, Sep 10 2017, 8:46 PM EST
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Who would thought there'd be such an effort to disparage supporters of our legally elected President.... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#21 Posted: Sun, Sep 10 2017, 8:54 PM EST
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I don't find this supprising, but do question the validity of the conclusions due to the minimal size of the study group.
victor809 Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Sep 11 2017, 12:06 AM EST
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... I don't think drafter understands the irony of him saying that..... after he spent 8 years saying the only reason people voted for Obama was to get free stuff.

At least these people actually tried to support their statement rather than just spew whatever pops in their little heads.
victor809 Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Sep 11 2017, 12:08 AM EST
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Spey... there are definitely issues there. Not to mention the constant underlying issue of most of these studies being done on a college campus (so the end result may not reflect reality outside of a college)...
teedubbya Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Sep 11 2017, 7:36 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Who would thought there'd be such an effort to disparage supporters of our legally elected President.... Mellow


victor809 wrote:
... I don't think drafter understands the irony of him saying that..... after he spent 8 years saying the only reason people voted for Obama was to get free stuff.

At least these people actually tried to support their statement rather than just spew whatever pops in their little heads.


Lol Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Sep 11 2017, 8:32 AM EST
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Well, I was right... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Sep 11 2017, 10:34 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Well, I was right... Mellow



I'll give you this Drafter.... you sure tried hard for nearly a decade to disparage the supporters of a legally elected president, as well as supported efforts to delegitimize him. Thus, you should be considered and expert and we should listen to you.

And your apology is accepted by those that voted for him (not me because I didn't vote for him).....
victor809 Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Sep 11 2017, 10:38 AM EST
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I dunno if we can consider him an expert... kinda depends on where he lives in proximity to... I dunno... is it proximity to dc or Chicago or proximity to breitbart hq?

This is a very confusing rule. ..
DrafterX Offline
#28 Posted: Mon, Sep 11 2017, 10:46 AM EST
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I was just kiddin around... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Sep 11 2017, 10:53 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I was just kiddin and round... Mellow



fify
DrafterX Offline
#30 Posted: Mon, Sep 11 2017, 10:59 AM EST
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Mad



I do remember thanking Obama for lots of stuff... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#31 Posted: Mon, Sep 11 2017, 2:52 PM EST
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I blame Clinton
DrafterX Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, Sep 11 2017, 3:25 PM EST
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She lost... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, Sep 11 2017, 3:26 PM EST
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I was thinking slick willy
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