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ZRX1200 Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Sep 15 2017, 11:46 AM EST
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The far left.....

http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/09/15/antifa-terrorists-stab-woman-in-the-neck-media-censors/
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Sep 15 2017, 11:57 AM EST
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Well, at least they aren't white supremacists... Mellow
Buckwheat Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Sep 15 2017, 12:07 PM EST
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What does this have to do with any religion?
Speyside Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Sep 15 2017, 12:28 PM EST
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He is confusing Antifarians with Pastafarians.
victor809 Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Sep 15 2017, 1:36 PM EST
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Except the police have stated there have been no stabbings.


There is a special place in hell for people who make up a story... then claim the people who aren't reporting it because it's made up... are "supressing" it.

You end up with confused simpletons from Oregon....
Abrignac Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Sep 15 2017, 1:42 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Except the police have stated there have been no stabbings.


There is a special place in hell for people who make up a story... then claim the people who aren't reporting it because it's made up... are "supressing" it.

You end up with confused simpletons from Oregon....


So you believe in hell but, not Heaven? Interesting.
victor809 Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Sep 15 2017, 1:49 PM EST
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... I've read my share or Sartre... hell is other people.
Buckwheat Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Sep 15 2017, 2:13 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
... I've read my share or Sartre... hell is other people.


“All those eyes intent on me. Devouring me. What? Only two of you? I thought there were more; many more. So this is hell. I’d never have believed it. You remember all we were told about the torture-chambers, the fire and brimstone, the “burning marl.” Old wives’ tales! There’s no need for red-hot pokers. HELL IS OTHER PEOPLE!” - JPS

We discussed the meaning of this phrase and Existentialism in general in philosophy class. I'm still a little fuzzy on all of the details. Beer
victor809 Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Sep 15 2017, 2:28 PM EST
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I never took a philosophy class. Didn't have time for that with all the other courses I had.

...but after I completely wasted my education on becoming a bartender I had time during the day to sit and read. I read a buttload of the existential philosophers during that time.
Stinkdyr Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Sep 15 2017, 2:35 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I never took a philosophy class. Didn't have time for that with all the other courses I had.

...but after I completely wasted my education on becoming a bartender I had time during the day to sit and read. I read a buttload of the existential philosophers during that time.


What......seriously??
Vicki talks about taking in a buttload, and everyone gives him a pass??


Gonz
Ewok126 Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Sep 15 2017, 2:43 PM EST
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Stinkdyr wrote:
What......seriously??
Vicki talks about taking in a buttload, and everyone gives him a pass??


Gonz



Well from what I have heard he has not been able to "Poot Tight" for a long time now and every one knows it.... I am just sayin.
delta1 Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Sep 15 2017, 2:59 PM EST
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Antifa are thugs looking for a fight...they have cloaked themselves in a "noble cause" fighting Neo-Nazis and white supremacists but it's clear they are motivated by bloodsport, like the Anarchists before them. They should be condemned, by everyone.

But I don't get the right's vitriol directed at Antifa while giving a free pass to the white supremacists...like Trump keeps doing...

Maybe we should ignore them and let the two sides battle it out, killing each other off...kinda like how we do with black on black crime...






















j/k
victor809 Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Sep 15 2017, 3:02 PM EST
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Again, Delta... The article Z posted is a lie. There is no record of it.

It appears the Antifa's protested reasonably peacefully this time.
delta1 Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Sep 15 2017, 5:26 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
What does this have to do with any religion?



"Antifa" sounds and looks like a Muslim word, so FOX uses it all the time to describe anyone protesting against Trump...it's more sinister and malicious sounding than "anti-fascists" - a term most people would agree with...

"Antifa" riles up the base and achieves the added goal of stirring up hatred against Islam...
delta1 Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Sep 15 2017, 5:27 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Again, Delta... The article Z posted is a lie. There is no record of it.

It appears the Antifa's protested reasonably peacefully this time.



F'n Z...stirring up sh*t...

I still believe that Antifa has a core of anarchists looking for a fight...if not, they wouldn't gather for protests wearing hoodies and masks, carrying weapons...and then identifying and engaging Trump supporters nose-to-nose...those behaviors should not be in anyone's protest playbook...
ZRX1200 Offline
#16 Posted: Sat, Sep 16 2017, 2:45 AM EST
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No she was assaulted. The stabbing isn't verified
DrafterX Offline
#17 Posted: Sat, Sep 16 2017, 8:23 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Antifa are thugs looking for a fight...they have cloaked themselves in a "noble cause" fighting Neo-Nazis and white supremacists but it's clear they are motivated by bloodsport, like the Anarchists before them. They should be condemned, by everyone.

But I don't get the right's vitriol directed at Antifa while giving a free pass to the white supremacists...like Trump keeps doing...

Maybe we should ignore them and let the two sides battle it out, killing each other off...kinda like how we do with black on black crime...



Uhhh... He did say 'bad guys on both sides' right..?? Huh


But it's really good to see antifa being called out here.. ThumpUp
Speyside Offline
#18 Posted: Sat, Sep 16 2017, 9:16 AM EST
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They are terrorists with an intimidation agenda. They are also criminals. To think they are anything else is a load of crap.
burnem2 Offline
#19 Posted: Sat, Sep 16 2017, 9:43 AM EST
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Stinkdyr wrote:
What......seriously??
Vicki talks about taking in a buttload, and everyone gives him a pass??


Gonz


It would be redundant so I passed.
victor809 Offline
#20 Posted: Sat, Sep 16 2017, 11:57 AM EST
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Z... the police department themselves are saying she wasn't even assaulted. The woman herself told them she fell.

Jesus... you're falling for all the stupidest stuff... just because you want it to be true.

Drafter... you're an idiot if you think it's a good thing for a group you don't like to get called out for something they didn't do.
DrafterX Offline
#21 Posted: Sat, Sep 16 2017, 12:02 PM EST
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I never said they stabbed her.. but I saw a pic of a guy that looked like he wished he did... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#22 Posted: Sat, Sep 16 2017, 12:04 PM EST
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No. You said it was good to see them get called out. When the police say that nothing at all happened.

You literally want them to be falsely accused by journalists. There is no evidence that there was anything other than a peaceful protest.
DrafterX Offline
#23 Posted: Sat, Sep 16 2017, 12:08 PM EST
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I was talking about Trump's comments about bad guys on both sides that nobody wanted hear... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#24 Posted: Sat, Sep 16 2017, 12:53 PM EST
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Ah.. ok... glad to know that when people are protesting Nazis and kkk you're concerned with making sure we call out any bad actors on the opposing side.

.... where's that eyeroll button...
DrafterX Offline
#25 Posted: Sat, Sep 16 2017, 12:55 PM EST
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The concern was he didn't call out the bad guys.. but he did.. another example of picking and choosing words to create outrage.. Mellow
victor809 Offline
#26 Posted: Sat, Sep 16 2017, 12:56 PM EST
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Yeah.... sure....
DrafterX Offline
#27 Posted: Sat, Sep 16 2017, 12:58 PM EST
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You can actually quote him on this issue.. only an idiot would misunderstand what he was saying.. Mellow
delta1 Offline
#28 Posted: Sat, Sep 16 2017, 1:22 PM EST
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Antifa does not claim any association to any religion, but are dedicated to fighting authoritarianism, a noble cause. But they have also claimed that violence is necessary, especially in self-defense from attacks by white supremacists and Neo Nazis.

They have thrown bottles and rocks at police officers at a number of public protests, verbally and physically attacked opposing protesters in incidents that weren't clearly self-defense, as well as set fires and destroyed public property. Those who behave in this manner must be condemned....
DrafterX Offline
#29 Posted: Sat, Sep 16 2017, 1:33 PM EST
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Yet Trump got criticized for it.. Mellow
Abrignac Offline
#30 Posted: Sat, Sep 16 2017, 2:12 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
"Antifa" sounds and looks like a Muslim word, so FOX uses it all the time to describe anyone protesting against Trump...it's more sinister and malicious sounding than "anti-fascists" - a term most people would agree with...

"Antifa" riles up the base and achieves the added goal of stirring up hatred against Islam...



Sort of like alt-right and neo-con.

Pot meet kettle
Abrignac Offline
#31 Posted: Sat, Sep 16 2017, 2:20 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Ah.. ok... glad to know that when people are protesting Nazis and kkk you're concerned with making sure we call out any bad actors on the opposing side.

.... where's that eyeroll button...


Last I checked the first amendment allows citizens to speak freely, no matter how distasteful, as well as the freedom to assemble with like minded folks. But, you're saying the President should choose a side and condemn a group of Americans for exercising the 1st Amendment rights. That sounds fascist to me.

So what you're really saying is that the *peaceful* anti-fascist movement is itself fascist.
victor809 Offline
#32 Posted: Sat, Sep 16 2017, 5:05 PM EST
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Anthony... one side decided to run people over with a car.

And no. If you think loosely associated protesters counts as "fascism" you may need to review the definition.
Abrignac Offline
#33 Posted: Sat, Sep 16 2017, 5:46 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Anthony... one side decided to run people over with a car.

One side or one person?

And no. If you think loosely associated protesters counts as "fascism" you may need to review the definition.

Would I be correct to assume that you do not believe a group of loosely associated protestors can't become movement that itself could be fascist? I guess the loosely associated protestors in Gdańsk during the 1970 didn't count as a movement that morphed into a national government and Lech Wałęsa was never elected President of Poland.



Merriam Webster wrote:
a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
Mr. Jones Offline
#34 Posted: Sat, Sep 16 2017, 9:39 PM EST
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Antifa'

T.H.E.Y.


Came outta nowhere...

In 6 MONTHS?
"It's" in 45% of all News Story Headlines...

They ARE a.l.l. MARKETING AND INNERWEB GENIUS's...
but that's an inbred gene-marker in 99.9%
Of all MILLENNIAL's
tailgater Offline
#35 Posted: Mon, Sep 18 2017, 10:03 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:


But I don't get the right's vitriol directed at Antifa while giving a free pass to the white supremacists...like Trump keeps doing...



Free pass?
I don't know anybody who has given the white supremacists a free pass of any sort.

But you keep believing it.
Like that dumb chick on ESPN.

And Frank said that she'll have no impact on anything.

Yet, here we are.




And before anyone cries that Trump gave the nazi's a free pass, do your homework.
The crowds involved with the violence was not a Klans meeting. It was in regards to a statue in Charlotsville. And for "free speech" in Boston. And for something else in other areas.
The brain-dead supremacists were smart enough to cloak their gatherings to attract people with good intentions.

Both sides can do a better job to ferret out the extremes.
But don't let that confuse the issue. Or become your talking point.
delta1 Offline
#36 Posted: Mon, Sep 18 2017, 12:53 PM EST
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You're are intentionally ignoring the identity of many of those protesting the removal of the statue. Among them was most certainly members of KKK, Neo Nazis and white supremacist groups including Vanguard America. The VICE video clearly shows this.

Trump has never given a full throated denouncement of white supremacy: he refused to acknowledge knowing David Duke and denounce KKK during his campaign, until there was heavy criticism and, only then gave a luke warm statement opposing them. Richard Spencer, a Neo-Nazi white supremacist, helped Trump's campaign with public rallies, and Trump never distanced himself. His continuance to say there were bad people on both sides, and only saying the KKK, neo Nazis and white supremacists are bad when pressured has led to a resurgence in open and loud comebacks from people who embrace genocide and separation.

Sorry, but Trump doesn't pass the anti-white supremacist, neo-Nazi, KKK test.


The right focus on Antifa at many public protests against the Trump administration aims to convince its audience that all those people out there are the same. In reality, the number of peaceful protesters is much greater than the few knuckleheads.


I wish the Antifa, violent knuckleheads who commit crimes while "protesting" would stay away from public protests. If they attend and commit crimes they should be arrested and charged. They do not speak for all of us. The left was able to mobilize huge crowds of supporters during the marches against Trump during the first few months of his Presidency. There were millions in the streets and no violent incidents.

Why cant Trump say something similar?
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#37 Posted: Mon, Sep 18 2017, 4:54 PM EST
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Sorry Delta but those groups, the KKK and Nazis, are paid on the Democrat payroll and have for the past 60+ years been identified as extreme left. Just because the media acts as of they're right wing does not make it true. It's just a play on words to distract the uninformed. As far as trump is concerned, they've never been a part of his voter base so there's no need to acknowledge them.
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#38 Posted: Mon, Sep 18 2017, 6:25 PM EST
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jjanecka wrote:
Sorry Delta but those groups, the KKK and Nazis, are paid on the Democrat payroll and have for the past 60+ years been identified as extreme left. Just because the media acts as of they're right wing does not make it true. It's just a play on words to distract the uninformed. As far as trump is concerned, they've never been a part of his voter base so there's no need to acknowledge them.

you have said this often enough that I am starting to think you actually believe this nonsense.

Duke supporters in Texas etc. actually dragged Black men behind pick up trucks until their body parts came loose because they were paid by the NAACP? Nazis from Illinois paid by Jewish Defense League?

If kidding, you're not funny. If serious, you are gone.

If the basis is the tired old nonsense of the old Southern Democrat island-unto-themselves racists, they left the party because it wouldn't back their Jim Crow crap. LBJ's final push for the ERA was the last straw before they found acceptance in the 1960's/1970's southern surge to join the GOP.

You own all of them now.
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#39 Posted: Tue, Sep 19 2017, 6:14 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Trump has never given a full throated denouncement of white supremacy: he refused to acknowledge knowing David Duke and denounce KKK during his campaign, until there was heavy criticism and, only then gave a luke warm statement opposing them. Richard Spencer, a Neo-Nazi white supremacist, helped Trump's campaign with public rallies, and Trump never distanced himself. His continuance to say there were bad people on both sides, and only saying the KKK, neo Nazis and white supremacists are bad when pressured has led to a resurgence in open and loud comebacks from people who embrace genocide and separation.


“Well, you’ve got David Duke just joined — a bigot, a racist, a problem. I mean, this is not exactly the people you want in your party.” - President Trump

“Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to all that we hold dear as Americans.” - President Trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/01/donald-trump-and-david-duke-for-the-record/?utm_term=.4bc445affef9

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/08/14/trump-denounces-kkk-neo-nazis-as-justice-department-launches-civil-rights-probe-into-charlottesville-death/?utm_term=.8affd8081f84



I think you're just a race-baiter. You get off on this game. It's sick and perverted your mind.
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#40 Posted: Tue, Sep 19 2017, 7:36 AM EST
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CNN purposely left out any condemnation from Trump against anyone except antifa... Both sides only means one side in their minds... They ran with the story knowing it wasn't true and people still believe them...
Trump will never get a fair shake... Hate is too deep no matter how much better off the haters are... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#41 Posted: Tue, Sep 19 2017, 11:37 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
You're are intentionally ignoring the identity of many of those protesting the removal of the statue. Among them was most certainly members of KKK, Neo Nazis and white supremacist groups including Vanguard America. The VICE video clearly shows this.

Trump has never given a full throated denouncement of white supremacy: he refused to acknowledge knowing David Duke and denounce KKK during his campaign, until there was heavy criticism and, only then gave a luke warm statement opposing them. Richard Spencer, a Neo-Nazi white supremacist, helped Trump's campaign with public rallies, and Trump never distanced himself. His continuance to say there were bad people on both sides, and only saying the KKK, neo Nazis and white supremacists are bad when pressured has led to a resurgence in open and loud comebacks from people who embrace genocide and separation.

Sorry, but Trump doesn't pass the anti-white supremacist, neo-Nazi, KKK test.


The right focus on Antifa at many public protests against the Trump administration aims to convince its audience that all those people out there are the same. In reality, the number of peaceful protesters is much greater than the few knuckleheads.


I wish the Antifa, violent knuckleheads who commit crimes while "protesting" would stay away from public protests. If they attend and commit crimes they should be arrested and charged. They do not speak for all of us. The left was able to mobilize huge crowds of supporters during the marches against Trump during the first few months of his Presidency. There were millions in the streets and no violent incidents.

Why cant Trump say something similar?


It's not like a KKK meeting was planned and then some non-racists with conservative viewpoints happened to join them to protect a statue. We're talking about the complete opposite.

I'm not ignoring, intentionally or otherwise, that the Klan and other racist POS groups have been involved. I also don't think that Trump was ignoring it when he said "both sides".

We endured 8 years of NOT hearing Obama condemn radical muslim terrorists. Did that mean Obama was one of them?
tailgater Offline
#42 Posted: Tue, Sep 19 2017, 11:40 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
“Well, you’ve got David Duke just joined — a bigot, a racist, a problem. I mean, this is not exactly the people you want in your party.” - President Trump

“Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to all that we hold dear as Americans.” - President Trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/01/donald-trump-and-david-duke-for-the-record/?utm_term=.4bc445affef9

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/08/14/trump-denounces-kkk-neo-nazis-as-justice-department-launches-civil-rights-probe-into-charlottesville-death/?utm_term=.8affd8081f84



I think you're just a race-baiter. You get off on this game. It's sick and perverted your mind.


Wow.
But what about that ESPN chick that Frank watches now?
Speyside Offline
#43 Posted: Tue, Sep 19 2017, 12:22 PM EST
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JJ, please find factual support for your statements that the KKK, neo nazis, white supremacists and such are Democrats. I think your statements are incorrect, uniformed, and biased. The burden is on you to support your position. I believe you have been asked to do so multiple times an have not.
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#44 Posted: Tue, Sep 19 2017, 12:32 PM EST
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Well, all those things sound like Hillary and she's a Democrat... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#45 Posted: Tue, Sep 19 2017, 12:35 PM EST
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Hah... tail actually thinks this was originally a protest planned by "non-racists with conservative viewpoints"...

Yeah... shame on those kkk and Nazis for crashing the good wholesome non-racists "Jews will not replace us" and "blood and soil" chanting.

F@ck tail. If you are ever in a "non-racists with conservative viewpoints" protest and the guy next to you starts spouting nazi slogans I certainly hope you hit him in the face with your lit tiki torch... because that's what those "non-racists with conservative viewpoints " should have done if Nazis were really invading their very very concerned about the history of Lee in Charlotte Virginia protest...

Jesus f@cking Christ people are getting good at yoga here.
RMAN4443 Offline
#46 Posted: Tue, Sep 19 2017, 12:48 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Well, all those things sound like Hillary and she's a Democrat... Mellow

Bill Clinton says she's a Bi.tch Anxious
DrafterX Offline
#47 Posted: Tue, Sep 19 2017, 1:01 PM EST
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I would have to agree... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#48 Posted: Tue, Sep 19 2017, 1:52 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Hah... tail actually thinks this was originally a protest planned by "non-racists with conservative viewpoints"...

Yeah... shame on those kkk and Nazis for crashing the good wholesome non-racists "Jews will not replace us" and "blood and soil" chanting.

F@ck tail. If you are ever in a "non-racists with conservative viewpoints" protest and the guy next to you starts spouting nazi slogans I certainly hope you hit him in the face with your lit tiki torch... because that's what those "non-racists with conservative viewpoints " should have done if Nazis were really invading their very very concerned about the history of Lee in Charlotte Virginia protest...

Jesus f@cking Christ people are getting good at yoga here.


Hypocrite.

tailgater Offline
#49 Posted: Tue, Sep 19 2017, 2:09 PM EST
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But I stand corrected.

I can't keep up with all the hysteria, but I did mix up some information.
The Charlottesville rally was originally for the "Unite the Right" group, and they are a white supremacist group (from what I can find online).
Meanwhile, more local to me in Boston, a "free-speech" type event morphed into a white nationalist event after the fact.

Either way, the guilty by association moniker is weak.
Everyone I know considers racists to be vile.
I make no apology for not trying to out-do the next person with my details on precisely how much I hate them. It's like a pantie waist liberal contest to see who can be the most verbose about how racism is heinous. And if you miss an opportunity to agree you get labeled a racist because that's what mother-media is telling the lemmings to do.

So, as you can see, I am truly sorry for my earlier fopar. There WAS a Klan meeting and no true American should have been part of it.

Now where is my tiki torch?
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#50 Posted: Tue, Sep 19 2017, 4:21 PM EST
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...a Jew will be coming soon to replace you...
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