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delta1 Offline
#51 Posted: Tue, Sep 19 2017, 4:40 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
“Well, you’ve got David Duke just joined — a bigot, a racist, a problem. I mean, this is not exactly the people you want in your party.” - President Trump

“Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to all that we hold dear as Americans.” - President Trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/01/donald-trump-and-david-duke-for-the-record/?utm_term=.4bc445affef9

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/08/14/trump-denounces-kkk-neo-nazis-as-justice-department-launches-civil-rights-probe-into-charlottesville-death/?utm_term=.8affd8081f84



I think you're just a race-baiter. You get off on this game. It's sick and perverted your mind.



thanks for the diagnosis Dr....what do I owe you?


but wait...here's some grist for the other side of the argument...the items you have cited were made only AFTER public blowback criticizing Trump for not expressing those sentiments at first...like I originally pointed out...

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/trumps-david-duke-amnesia/

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/13/16140504/trump-charlottesville-white-supremacists


guess we're both sick and perverted... just suffering from different symptoms...
tailgater Offline
#52 Posted: Tue, Sep 19 2017, 5:30 PM EST
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So he should have apologized first.
Like Obama.
frankj1 Offline
#53 Posted: Tue, Sep 19 2017, 5:44 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
...a Jew will be coming soon to replace you...

and I have just the guy in mind.
Speyside Offline
#54 Posted: Tue, Sep 19 2017, 5:49 PM EST
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He's like a genius.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#55 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 4:50 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
thanks for the diagnosis Dr....what do I owe you?


but wait...here's some grist for the other side of the argument...the items you have cited were made only AFTER public blowback criticizing Trump for not expressing those sentiments at first...like I originally pointed out...

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/trumps-david-duke-amnesia/

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/13/16140504/trump-charlottesville-white-supremacists


guess we're both sick and perverted... just suffering from different symptoms...


You stated he never made the comments that I found online in seconds. Now you're jibbering on about what?

He's a public figure that gets bombarded with questions from all angles. What has your little panties in a bind is that he doesn't respond fast enough or use the "correct" words?

Keep trying to paint him as your new Hitler trying to instill a new white supremacy. The guy isn't that though and you know it. When he played in your sandbox they heaped medals, awards and accolades on him. Not now. He can't be bought by the people that own the usual suspects. Your game is weak and you look stupid playing it. Leave it to stooges that are better at it and have a bigger mouth than you like Sharpton and Jackson. Hide in their shadows.
DrafterX Offline
#56 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 6:58 AM EST
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AUGUST 12, 2017 2:54 PM

President Donald Trump addressed the country Saturday afternoon in the aftermath of violent protests in Charlottesville, Virginia, between white supremacist groups and counter protesters.

In televised remarks, Trump said he and his administration “condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides. On many sides.”

“It’s been going on for a long time in our country,” Trump said. “Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama. It’s been going on for a long, long time. It has no place in America.”

Trump went on to say that “no citizen should ever fear for their safety; the hate and division must stop now.”





and this was interpreted as he supports White Supremacy..?? Think Think
frankj1 Offline
#57 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 8:12 AM EST
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I interpreted it to mean he was commenting solely on the violence in VA.
He indicated there was equal blame.

It then took a while until he denounced the philosophies of the KKK and neo nazis.

I think he fumbled away a good opportunity, and I can't imagine another President in my lifetime also missing that opening.
tailgater Offline
#58 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 8:12 AM EST
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You have to read between the lines.

Oh, AND be a liberal blowhard.
DrafterX Offline
#59 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 8:26 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I interpreted it to mean he was commenting solely on the violence in VA.



well ya, kinda why he was speaking at the time... so you're saying because he didn't throw in a quick State of da Nation he missed an opportunity and became a white supremacist...?? Huh
DrafterX Offline
#60 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 8:40 AM EST
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Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Puerto Rico being hit hard by new monster Hurricane. Be careful, our hearts are with you- will be there to help!


That Trump Bassard is Racist..!! Not talking
bgz Offline
#61 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 9:35 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
thanks for the diagnosis Dr....what do I owe you?


but wait...here's some grist for the other side of the argument...the items you have cited were made only AFTER public blowback criticizing Trump for not expressing those sentiments at first...like I originally pointed out...

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/trumps-david-duke-amnesia/

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/13/16140504/trump-charlottesville-white-supremacists


guess we're both sick and perverted... just suffering from different symptoms...


In the first article, it looks to me like he's just trying to avoid playing the lib-trap game. He's obviously being baited by the reporter here, so there's really no good way to answer the questions. If he would have flat out denounced them, then the reporter would have come back with something equally fked up that would ultimately lead to them concluding that he's a white supremacist and a bigot. If he doesn't, then he's obviously a white supremacist and a bigot.

The second just looks like a smear opinion piece to me (at least that's how it's written).

So, not a big fan of those two sources.

So two liberal sources write opinion pieces to spin the message to match their agenda.

What gets me, is how incessantly liberals bash trump for being a racist and white supremacist, yet give muslims a pass. Racist bigotry is built into their friggin texts. They are commanded to be misogynistic bigots in the name of God yet they get a pass liberals. This level of thinking is so fking backwards on so many levels... chastise the man leading your people and label him a monster while propping up a group of people where the majority want to see your head chopped off for no other reason than you are different than them.
delta1 Offline
#62 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 12:01 PM EST
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If Trump isn't a racist, explain why he has to be PRESSURED into denouncing the KKK, white supremacists and Neo-Nazis. If he would make full throated denouncements at the very beginning of any controversial issue involving those groups instead of all his initial waffling and indecisiveness, he wouldn't be getting this scrutiny. Trump's own lack of forthrightness when initially questioned is a problem. But, more tellingly, his past behavior sets the stage for this criticism.

It's like asking someone if they support beheading...the first immediate reaction for just about all civil people would be "hell no". Using this analogy, when asked about beheading, Trump's response is, "what's beheading?... tell me about that...it depends..." And then when the heat is on, AFTER getting criticized, Trump will grudgingly say "beheading is bad... and so is setting people on fire...both are very bad..."


He has a well-documented history of saying and doing things that appear racist, and his father was associated with the KKK. He settled a lawsuit accusing him of racial discrimination in renting his apts. He called for the death penalty for the Central Park Five (four black and one latino), and continued to say they were guilty despite their exoneration and proof of innocence. He pushed the birtherism mockery for 5-6 years while getting national political coverage, and never backed down, only saying Obama was a US citizen while confronted near the end of his campaign. He said all Mexicans coming to the US were bad people, rapists, murderers. He accused a US judge of being biased against him because of his Mexican last name and said he couldn't be fair because he was Mexican. During the campaign, Trump tweeted a political ad depicting a pile of money and a symbol that looked like a Star of David...clearly anti-Semitic...he pulled the tweet after a backlash of criticism.

...ad nauseum...and yes, sick and perverted...
frankj1 Offline
#63 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 12:20 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
well ya, kinda why he was speaking at the time... so you're saying because he didn't throw in a quick State of da Nation he missed an opportunity and became a white supremacist...?? Huh

That's not what I heard!

I'm also not onboard with claiming Trump is a White Supremacist, but I do believe he takes a softened approach as he sees votes/support. I don't admire that.
DrafterX Offline
#64 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 12:35 PM EST
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Speculation at best.. we don't know that.. it's gotta be a low number... . Mellow
victor809 Offline
#65 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 12:45 PM EST
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Did drafter just accuse someone of speculation... and then speculate with "it's gotta be a low number"...

Drafter you are not a smart man....
DrafterX Offline
#66 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 12:53 PM EST
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But I know what love is... Not talking
DrafterX Offline
#67 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 12:55 PM EST
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So, tell me Victor.. which crowd would Trump benefit the most from by sucking up to them..?? White supremacists or white supremacists haters..?? Huh
bgz Offline
#68 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 1:28 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
He said all Mexicans coming to the US were bad people, rapists, murderers. He accused a US judge of being biased against him because of his Mexican last name and said he couldn't be fair because he was Mexican.


Just throwing this out there:

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/crime/329589-the-truth-about-crime-illegal-immigrants-and-sanctuary-cities
TMCTLT Offline
#69 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 1:54 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Did drafter just accuse someone of speculation... and then speculate with "it's gotta be a low number"...

Drafter you are not a smart man....



Before you get TOO OUTRAGED over Drafters " speculation " go back and read the MAJORITY of your comments.....
mostly speculation...just sayin.


Victor....you just THINK your a smaaaat man
victor809 Offline
#70 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 2:15 PM EST
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Go through this thread. Identify all posts which are "speculation"... then identify whether that's greater than 50% of my posts in this thread...


Or... are you just speculating that it's more than 50%?

I mean... if you didn't do the calculations already then it's speculation.
DrafterX Offline
#71 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 2:22 PM EST
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You're speculating your calculations are correct... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#72 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 2:28 PM EST
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I never stated they were or werent. I asked for evidence to support his statement.

I am starting to wonder if high school logic failed some of the people here...

^this is speculation. For individuals who have trouble identifying it.
delta1 Offline
#73 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 2:31 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Just throwing this out there:

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/crime/329589-the-truth-about-crime-illegal-immigrants-and-sanctuary-cities



...and the counter-argument about faulty data counting in the studies reporting lots of crime committed by illegal immigrants...from Fox News even...article published by the moderate/conservative Cato Institute...


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/07/12/illegal-immigrant-crime-wave-evidence-is-hard-to-find.html



The Hill is a moderate/liberal source, so the fact they they published these pieces from opposing viewpoints of what is expected is somewhat re-assuring
TMCTLT Offline
#74 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 2:40 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Go through this thread. Identify all posts which are "speculation"... then identify whether that's greater than 50% of my posts in this thread...


Or... are you just speculating that it's more than 50%?

I mean... if you didn't do the calculations already then it's speculation.



My comment was NOT for just this thread, look @ virtually any of your comments on virtually any subject matter and it's almost always SPECULATION.
victor809 Offline
#75 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 2:49 PM EST
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Ok. Then for the entirety of my posts at cbid. I have approximately 12,900 posts (give or take a couple during the posting of this).
I'm assuming that before posting ypur statement in post 69 you counted and documebted 6451 of my posts which were speculation so that you could say with certainty that the majority of my posts are speculation....?

I'd like to see your work. You can email me the spreadsheet or whatever you used to take notes as I'm sure you couldn't get past 20 without taking off your shoes.
jjanecka Offline
#76 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 2:55 PM EST
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Herfing
DrafterX Offline
#77 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 2:58 PM EST
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Sorry Victor but that is in correct.. you have many more posts here than that.. and prolly under that same Username... Your figures are inaccurate.. Shame on you
victor809 Offline
#78 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 3:03 PM EST
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Fair point. To be accurate he has to add in the post count under victor808.

That makes a total post count of 19923...
So he only needs to find 9962 posts in which I speculate...

(You didn't actually help him drafter)
tailgater Offline
#79 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 3:15 PM EST
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Isn't a speculate that thingy used by a gynocologist?
tailgater Offline
#80 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 3:19 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
If Trump isn't a racist, explain why he has to be PRESSURED into denouncing the KKK, white supremacists and Neo-Nazis. If he would make full throated denouncements at the very beginning of any controversial issue involving those groups instead of all his initial waffling and indecisiveness, he wouldn't be getting this scrutiny. .



If you want to be taken seriously then stop lying.

You wouldn't take trump seriously no matter what.
You will hate whatever he does simply because he's trump.

Pressured into denouncing?
LOL! Against better judgement Trump hasn't towed the line no matter how much pressure has been issued on any subject. Now when his actual words dismantle your argument you claim he was pressured.

There are days that I wish he weren't our president.
Then I see what he does to the lefties and then I smile and think: Totally Worth it!
teedubbya Offline
#81 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 3:21 PM EST
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I actually agree with tail. If Trump wants folks to take him seriously he needs to stop lying.
bgz Offline
#82 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 3:28 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
...and the counter-argument about faulty data counting in the studies reporting lots of crime committed by illegal immigrants...from Fox News even...article published by the moderate/conservative Cato Institute...


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/07/12/illegal-immigrant-crime-wave-evidence-is-hard-to-find.html



The Hill is a moderate/liberal source, so the fact they they published these pieces from opposing viewpoints of what is expected is somewhat re-assuring


The guy that wrote it advocates for more free migration. From my understanding, he wants to have a world without borders. Kind of strikes me as a globalist. I would hardly call him a conservative.

In any case, I imagine the crimes get swept under the rug more in california than they do in Arizona.

They cause quite a bit of issues out our way...

Lot of illegals drunk driving, raping, killing, etc...

Seriously though, I'm sure many of them are good people ;)
delta1 Offline
#83 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 4:15 PM EST
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Another thing Trump is famous for, and that his supporters on the right has embraced...when he ran out of serious criticisms of those with whom he disagrees, both GOP and those on the left, he resorted to name calling...Little Marco, Low Energy Jeb, Lying Ted, Crooked Hillary...
bgz Offline
#84 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 5:06 PM EST
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I don't think Trump believes half the stuff he says.

What I do believe, is that he'll do anything to win (no matter the context).

He won because of game theory through baiting his opponents to play his game.

He's been doing the same thing as president. So far it's been working for him despite the backlash he gets from seemingly most people.

I think historically, his presidency won't be as bad as people think once it's said and done.

Only time will tell though.
Abrignac Offline
#85 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 6:00 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Another thing Trump is famous for, and that his supporters on the right has embraced...when he ran out of serious criticisms of those with whom he disagrees, both GOP and those on the left, he resorted to name calling...Little Marco, Low Energy Jeb, Lying Ted, Crooked Hillary...



So you're saying that Trump coined name calling?
DrafterX Offline
#86 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 7:01 PM EST
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Trump just might be Victor's daddy.. Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#87 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 7:01 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
If Trump isn't a racist, explain why he has to be PRESSURED into denouncing the KKK, white supremacists and Neo-Nazis. If he would make full throated denouncements at the very beginning of any controversial issue involving those groups instead of all his initial waffling and indecisiveness, he wouldn't be getting this scrutiny. Trump's own lack of forthrightness when initially questioned is a problem. But, more tellingly, his past behavior sets the stage for this criticism.

It's like asking someone if they support beheading...the first immediate reaction for just about all civil people would be "hell no". Using this analogy, when asked about beheading, Trump's response is, "what's beheading?... tell me about that...it depends..." And then when the heat is on, AFTER getting criticized, Trump will grudgingly say "beheading is bad... and so is setting people on fire...both are very bad..."


He has a well-documented history of saying and doing things that appear racist, and his father was associated with the KKK. He settled a lawsuit accusing him of racial discrimination in renting his apts. He called for the death penalty for the Central Park Five (four black and one latino), and continued to say they were guilty despite their exoneration and proof of innocence. He pushed the birtherism mockery for 5-6 years while getting national political coverage, and never backed down, only saying Obama was a US citizen while confronted near the end of his campaign. He said all Mexicans coming to the US were bad people, rapists, murderers. He accused a US judge of being biased against him because of his Mexican last name and said he couldn't be fair because he was Mexican. During the campaign, Trump tweeted a political ad depicting a pile of money and a symbol that looked like a Star of David...clearly anti-Semitic...he pulled the tweet after a backlash of criticism.

...ad nauseum...and yes, sick and perverted...



NOBODY has to explain why YOU think, act and believe in what YOU do.

Take your little race war somewhere else jerk!
RMAN4443 Offline
#88 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 7:48 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Ok. Then for the entirety of my posts at cbid. I have approximately 12,900 posts (give or take a couple during the posting of this).
I'm assuming that before posting ypur statement in post 69 you counted and documebted 6451 of my posts which were speculation so that you could say with certainty that the majority of my posts are speculation....?

I'd like to see your work. You can email me the spreadsheet or whatever you used to take notes as I'm sure you couldn't get past 20 without taking off your shoes.

This is speculation,correct????? Just so I'll know it next time I see it Confused
frankj1 Offline
#89 Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017, 8:54 PM EST
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I can get to 21...bigly!
tailgater Offline
#90 Posted: Thu, Sep 21 2017, 10:06 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I actually agree with tail. If Trump wants folks to take him seriously he needs to stop lying.


Good point.
tailgater Offline
#91 Posted: Thu, Sep 21 2017, 10:08 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Another thing Trump is famous for, and that his supporters on the right has embraced...when he ran out of serious criticisms of those with whom he disagrees, both GOP and those on the left, he resorted to name calling...Little Marco, Low Energy Jeb, Lying Ted, Crooked Hillary...


I am amazed that this isn't spoken about more often.
I think it was a big reason he won.
Not because he called people names. But because the names stuck.
delta1 Offline
#92 Posted: Thu, Sep 21 2017, 11:46 AM EST
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You're right tail...

...and Hillary didn't read the political winds about name calling as well as Trump did...he avoided insulting the voters by calling them names, regardless of who they supported...

she stepped on it when she called some Trump voters "deplorables," like Romney's "47%" comment sank him when he ran...
victor809 Offline
#93 Posted: Thu, Sep 21 2017, 11:47 AM EST
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That says more about the people who voted for him than most would like to consider
delta1 Offline
#94 Posted: Thu, Sep 21 2017, 11:49 AM EST
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true...
victor809 Offline
#95 Posted: Thu, Sep 21 2017, 11:57 AM EST
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Sorry delta... I was commenting on tails comment.
You got in between...

... like an unfortunate accidental menage a trois....
delta1 Offline
#96 Posted: Thu, Sep 21 2017, 12:06 PM EST
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now.....that is a ...................................................gruesome image....
DrMaddVibe Offline
#97 Posted: Thu, Sep 21 2017, 3:31 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
That says more about the people who voted for him than most would like to consider


You mean it pissed people off to vote for him???
teedubbya Offline
#98 Posted: Thu, Sep 21 2017, 3:57 PM EST
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Actually more like telling undecided folks you are deplorable if you don't vote for me. Not a great strategy.
teedubbya Offline
#99 Posted: Thu, Sep 21 2017, 3:58 PM EST
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So yes.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#100 Posted: Thu, Sep 21 2017, 4:16 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
So yes.



Apology accepted.
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