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bs_kwaj Offline
#1 Posted:
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How did things get to be so moronic?

Oh No!!!! She's wearing a pink dress!!


The world is coming to an end!!!


d'oh!

Beer
bs_kwaj Offline
#2 Posted:
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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/11/19/article-2510064-1983B6EF00000578-245_634x765.jpg

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SteveS Offline
#3 Posted:
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well, without going to the link you've given us, I might be a tad bid off, but the simple answer is the press has become dedicated to being moronic ... they slavishly supported our Kenyan president and were completely welded to the coronation of Hilary ... they can't (won't) get over her defeat and are shameless cheerleaders for resistance to the current reality ... there is no longer even a pretense of even-handedness and neutrality of the press ... it's enough to make a reasonable person sick ...
victor809 Offline
#4 Posted:
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... kind of like you're welded to the idea of calling a citizen of the United States and former president of the United States "our Kenyan president" because he's black? ... it's enough to make a reasonable person sick...
TMCTLT Offline
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victor809 wrote:
... kind of like you're welded to the idea of calling a citizen of the United States and former president of the United States "our Kenyan president" because he's black and White? ... it's enough to make a reasonable person sick...


FIFY

But....BUT you're NOT reasonable
and he is a half-breed. Half White....half Black....agreed????
victor809 Offline
#6 Posted:
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... meh. "Half black half white" doesn't mean crap to someone who's going to call a US citizen born in the us a "Kenyan president".

How many kkk members have you seen say things like "oh I thought he was a n***r but it turns out he's half white so he's just as good as us"? Yeah... I'm gonna bet you don't even believe that would be said.
TMCTLT Offline
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victor809 wrote:
... meh. "Half black half white" doesn't mean crap to someone who's going to call a US citizen born in the us a "Kenyan president".

How many kkk members have you seen say things like "oh I thought he was a n***r but it turns out he's half white so he's just as good as us"? Yeah... I'm gonna bet you don't even believe that would be said.



BIGGEST difference between me and YOU, I spend ZERO of my short time on this Earth dwelling on such Sh*t....
But you keep having fun with it Victor.
victor809 Offline
#8 Posted:
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Mmmhmmm... and by not dwelling on the issue it definitely doesn't exist.

I'll tell you what... you saying that you don't dwell on issues like that sure as hell doesn't surprise me
TMCTLT Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Mmmhmmm... and by not dwelling on the issue it definitely doesn't exist.

I'll tell you what... you saying that you don't dwell on issues like that sure as hell doesn't surprise me




Keep fanning that invisible racism you seem to see everywhere....I don't care.
victor809 Offline
#10 Posted:
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... doesn't seem so invisible these days....
TMCTLT Offline
#11 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
... doesn't seem so invisible these days....




Only to those like you who DEMAND we fan the flames that Barry lit.....
victor809 Offline
#12 Posted:
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... or to anyone who videos Nazis marching...

...or to anyone who follows Reddit boards where they post excitedly that president Trump supports them....

...doesnt take much to find it these days. I'm sure you're happy just not dwelling on it. That's ok. Leave the hard thinking to people who can manage it.
DrafterX Offline
#13 Posted:
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I think about stuff... Mellow
Abrignac Offline
#14 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
I think about stuff... Mellow


I do stuff
Ewok126 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I think about stuff... Mellow



Me to Drafter, Like when is Friday coming back around so the photo of that one hot chick is going to pop back up on the forum. Also who is going to pee on you at the Dallas Herf lmaooooooo... The poll says you gonna get wet lmaooooooooo. Have you been thinking about that (allot) whip Beer
tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
... kind of like you're welded to the idea of calling a citizen of the United States and former president of the United States "our Kenyan president" because he's black? ... it's enough to make a reasonable person sick...


Did you ask a reasonable person?
victor809 Offline
#17 Posted:
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.... I wouldn't come to this forum to do so...
SteveS Offline
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victor809 wrote:
... kind of like you're welded to the idea of calling a citizen of the United States and former president of the United States "our Kenyan president" because he's black?


Actually, many people born in Kenya are black ... his own grandmother said he was born in Kenya ... in saying that, I doubt she was denigrating him, which is what you are implying I'm doing ... that implication simply reveals that you don't know your a** from your elbow ...
delta1 Offline
#19 Posted:
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sorry...she didn't...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/apr/07/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-president-obamas-grandmother-cau/

victor809 Offline
#20 Posted:
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He was not born in Kenya. That simply is a falsehood which has only gained traction because he was black. No one has questioned the birth location of any other president, even some where it was less clear.

The simple idea that you buy into this myth reinforces my claim that racism isn't so invisible.
delta1 Offline
#21 Posted:
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This myth is based on one response to a single question asked of her and clarified in the next few questions. The interviewer obviously wanted to establish that Obama was born in Kenya and he did the interview with that in mind. She misinterpreted the meaning of that question, as her subsequent answers to follow-up questions showed...


gotta read the whole interview...


so, yes, there is stupidity in the "media"
Abrignac Offline
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delta1 wrote:
sorry...she didn't...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/apr/07/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-president-obamas-grandmother-cau/



Quote:

McRae: "Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see his birthplace when I come to visit Kenya in December. Was she present when he was born in Kenya?"

"She says yes she was. She was present when Obama was born," said the translator.

Smoking gun? Only if you stop the tape there and don't listen to the rest of the interview.

McRae immediately followed up by saying, "Okay, when I come in December, I would like to go by the place, the hospital where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?"

The translator can be heard translating, and then, he said, "No. Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America."

Said McRae: "Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya."

The response came back, "He was born in America, not in Mombasa."

"Do you know where he was born?" McRae continued. "I thought he was born in Kenya. I was gonna go by and see where he was born."

"Hawaii. She says he was born in Hawaii," the translator said. "In the state of Hawaii, where his father, his father was also learning there. The state of Hawaii."

"I thought she said she was present," McRae said. "Was she able to see him being born in Hawaii?''

"No, no," the translator said. "...She was not ... she was here in Kenya. Obama was born in America ... Because the grandmother was back in Kenya and Obama was born in America, where he is from, where his father was learning, learning in America, the United States."


That is the most convoluted crap I've ever heard.

She says she was present when Barry was born.

Then she says that she wasn't able to see him being born because she was in Kenya and he was born in Hawaii.

So which was it? Was she present as she originally stated, or was she not present as she stated shortly afterwards? We will never know.

For God's sake Al, quit using left-wing sources for your truth checkers. Politifact is a left wing version of Breitbart. Neither of which is credible.

DrafterX Offline
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Obama's hitmen from Chicago threatened to whack her if she didn't change her story... Mellow
delta1 Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
That is the most convoluted crap I've ever heard.

She says she was present when Barry was born.

Then she says that she wasn't able to see him being born because she was in Kenya and he was born in Hawaii.

So which was it? Was she present as she originally stated, or was she not present as she stated shortly afterwards? We will never know.

For God's sake Al, quit using left-wing sources for your truth checkers. Politifact is a left wing version of Breitbart. Neither of which is credible.



You've confused Politi Fact News with the fact checking outlet, politfact


https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/politifact/

But it IS re-assuring to me that you don't believe Breitbart is credible...we can agree on that...
victor809 Offline
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There is zero validity to the idea that obama wasn't born in the US. He has provided more evidence than most presidents have been asked for.
A convoluted interview with an old woman through a translator with questions which are stated in a very "odd" manner (ie they were asked in a manner in which any misunderstanding would lead to a "gotcha" moment).... is not evidence of crap... other than the person organizing that interview was trying to get some "gotcha" moment.

Seriously... "Was she present when he was born in Kenya?" What kind of BS question is that? If the interviewer actually wanted the truth they would ask a question like "Was he born in Kenya". Then follow it up with "Were you present?"

If I ask you "Was TW watching when you f###d drafter in the azz?" ... you may give me a couple answers that may seem a little conflicting.
frankj1 Offline
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unless he f###d him in Kenya
victor809 Offline
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Anthony f$$$ed drafter in the Kenya?

Was TW watching?
delta1 Offline
#28 Posted:
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The conspiracy theorists also produced a Kenyan birth certificate for Barack Obama...it was shown to be a fraud...

hey Ant, here's another source if you don't trust Politifact.... http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/donald-youre-fired/


Why would a Honolulu newspaper announce the birth of a baby in a Honolulu hospital if that baby was born in Kenya?


Oh...there were people in Kenya who knew people in Hawaii and they all had a master plan and a secret plot to make that baby a President one day...

and the chief true believer/conspiracy theorist is now the PRESIDENT!!!!!...can't make this stuff up...I still love this country, but the National Enquirer (the old folks know what that is) types have taken over...
frankj1 Offline
#29 Posted:
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no. TW was in Hawaii
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I gotta say Anth, the only thing convoluted (and I never saw the interview until tonight) was the line of questions and the way they were worded. It was more like a cross examination designed to trip up a witness.
tailgater Offline
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The questions were convoluted and obviously intended to trip her up, especially since it was through a translator.

But the grandmother said "Yes. I was present when he was born"
Not sure why the follow up questions/answers somehow hold more water.


Still, Whether true or not, it's easy to see how people believed it.
And to jump to the conclusion that they're therefore racist?
Well, words can't express how idiotic that is.



Abrignac Offline
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victor809 wrote:
There is zero validity to the idea that obama wasn't born in the US. He has provided more evidence than most presidents have been asked for.
A convoluted interview with an old woman through a translator with questions which are stated in a very "odd" manner (ie they were asked in a manner in which any misunderstanding would lead to a "gotcha" moment).... is not evidence of crap... other than the person organizing that interview was trying to get some "gotcha" moment.

Seriously... "Was she present when he was born in Kenya?" What kind of BS question is that? If the interviewer actually wanted the truth they would ask a question like "Was he born in Kenya". Then follow it up with "Were you present?"

If I ask you "Was TW watching when you f###d drafter in the azz?" ... you may give me a couple answers that may seem a little conflicting.


I'm not convinced either way. But, absent unimpeachable evidence either way, I really don't care. My point was that the article Al quoted proves nothing which it says it proves. It's simply a poorly written persuasive article.
DrafterX Offline
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Hillary started it... Not talking
victor809 Offline
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tailgater wrote:

Still, Whether true or not, it's easy to see how people believed it.
And to jump to the conclusion that they're therefore racist?
Well, words can't express how idiotic that is.





No tail.
That's the point. It isn't easy to see how people believed it.

In fact, it requires a pretty substantial level of mental gymnastics to believe it. He provided a birth certificate. Anything beyond that is simply going to extra effort to believe something other than what makes sense.

To be willing to put that extra effort in for one candidate, when all the other candidates coincidentally never seeemed to warrant that extra scrutiny about whether they were true americans?....

yeah... that's not a big jump to conclusions.
victor809 Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
no. TW was in Hawaii


Anthony f$$ed drafter in the Kenya while TW poked him in the Hawaii?

Damn....

None of them are gonna be able to be president now...
delta1 Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
I'm not convinced either way. But, absent unimpeachable evidence either way, I really don't care. My point was that the article Al quoted proves nothing which it says it proves. It's simply a poorly written persuasive article.



You quoted the interview that all the right wingers based their "Obama's grandma said he was born in Kenya" myth, except they stop using the interview after the part where the 86 year old lady said through a translator she was there.

The article shows a transcript of the rest of the interview...which you admit is a convoluted piece of crap...that was the whole point...the article had to show that the statement grandma made to the "reporter" is not bulletproof, and the proof was from all the questions and statements made in the rest of the interview.

and if you had read the entire article...
tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
No tail.
That's the point. It isn't easy to see how people believed it.

In fact, it requires a pretty substantial level of mental gymnastics to believe it. He provided a birth certificate. Anything beyond that is simply going to extra effort to believe something other than what makes sense.

To be willing to put that extra effort in for one candidate, when all the other candidates coincidentally never seeemed to warrant that extra scrutiny about whether they were true americans?....

yeah... that's not a big jump to conclusions.




You're painting a clear picture of victorxxx.

You are someone who always knows precisely how many black friends you have.



Abrignac Offline
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delta1 wrote:
You quoted the interview that all the right wingers based their "Obama's grandma said he was born in Kenya" myth, except they stop using the interview after the part where the 86 year old lady said through a translator she was there.

The article shows a transcript of the rest of the interview...which you admit is a convoluted piece of crap...that was the whole point...the article had to show that the statement grandma made to the "reporter" is not bulletproof, and the proof was from all the questions and statements made in the rest of the interview.

and if you had read the entire article...


So what am I missing Al? It seems as though the article says that Obama's grandma didn't say she witnessed the birth in Kenya. I simply stated that nothing in the article proves that. At best it's very convoluted.
delta1 Offline
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Trump: "Look at my African American over there!!!"
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tailgater wrote:
You're painting a clear picture of victorxxx.

You are someone who always knows precisely how many black friends you have.





mmmhhmmm.

So because I find it distasteful that someone would put out more effort to believe a foreign birth origin myth about one president out of all the presidents...

You think that's evidence that I in some way "count" my black friends? I don't even know how you attempted to make that logic leap. Probably the same way you decided it was completely understandable how people could get duped into believing an obvious crap interview and idiotic "he was born in kenya" campaign.
tailgater Offline
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delta1 wrote:
You quoted the interview that all the right wingers based their "Obama's grandma said he was born in Kenya" myth, except they stop using the interview after the part where the 86 year old lady said through a translator she was there.

The article shows a transcript of the rest of the interview...which you admit is a convoluted piece of crap...that was the whole point...the article had to show that the statement grandma made to the "reporter" is not bulletproof, and the proof was from all the questions and statements made in the rest of the interview.

and if you had read the entire article...



Actually, if you read the interview excerpts as quoted earlier, it's easy to assume that the grandmother was trying to back track after her first response because she knew that Barrack had to born in America. She even gave too much information (his father was learning) as if she were coached.
If that's the smoking gun, then it sides in favor of the birthers.



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Obama didn't just hand over his birth certificate either... He waited until the nation was well divided over the issue.. Hillary planted the seed and he played it as long as he could... Mellow
tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
mmmhhmmm.

So because I find it distasteful that someone would put out more effort to believe a foreign birth origin myth about one president out of all the presidents...

You think that's evidence that I in some way "count" my black friends? I don't even know how you attempted to make that logic leap. Probably the same way you decided it was completely understandable how people could get duped into believing an obvious crap interview and idiotic "he was born in kenya" campaign.


You're a race baiter.
You see race when it doesn't matter.

People disliked candidate Obama because he's a liberal democrat.
But you see him as a black man, so that MUST be the reason.

Race baiters count their black friends, because the number matters to them.


We can talk all day about the birther phenomena.
The rumors about his social security card being fake.
The delay in getting his birth certificate.
How his admission form to Harvard is under lock and key.
And lots of other things that supposedly "proved" he wasn't born in Hawaii.

Never once did I consider this stuff was based on his skin color.
And never once did you think it wasn't.







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tailgater wrote:
You're a race baiter.
You see race when it doesn't matter.

People disliked candidate Obama because he's a liberal democrat.
But you see him as a black man, so that MUST be the reason.

Race baiters count their black friends, because the number matters to them.


We can talk all day about the birther phenomena.
The rumors about his social security card being fake.
The delay in getting his birth certificate.
How his admission form to Harvard is under lock and key.
And lots of other things that supposedly "proved" he wasn't born in Hawaii.

Never once did I consider this stuff was based on his skin color.
And never once did you think it wasn't.










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DrMaddVibe Offline
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victor809 wrote:
In fact, it requires a pretty substantial level of mental gymnastics to believe it. He provided a birth certificate. Anything beyond that is simply going to extra effort to believe something other than what makes sense.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EAxesVQ8wo



Um...it was PROVEN to be FABRICATED!!!


Got anything else?
victor809 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
You're a race baiter.
You see race when it doesn't matter.

People disliked candidate Obama because he's a liberal democrat.
But you see him as a black man, so that MUST be the reason.

Race baiters count their black friends, because the number matters to them.


We can talk all day about the birther phenomena.
The rumors about his social security card being fake.
The delay in getting his birth certificate.
How his admission form to Harvard is under lock and key.
And lots of other things that supposedly "proved" he wasn't born in Hawaii.

Never once did I consider this stuff was based on his skin color.
And never once did you think it wasn't.


Your entire argument is full of problems.
1 - you have a VERY interesting perspective that only conservatives would question the origin of birth of a candidate... note you stated "people disliked candidate obama because he's a liberal democrat"... I mean... that's a really weird way of looking at all our presidents as a whole. ... Is he liberal... sure. But there were a lot more people who liked him (many because of that) than disliked him, seeing as he won 2 terms and was pretty popular when he left office among those who voted for him. So your initial statement that he was somehow targeted for this (more than other presidents) because of his liberal democrat stance presupposes that only one side of the aisle would even question a candidates birth.

1.5 - If you question a candidate, and then later a president's BIRTH ORIGIN because you don't like their politics, then you're an idiot. That statement right there means that you aren't going to question a candidate you support's origin of birth. While I'm not surprised, it's a really sh$tty excuse to make and essentially admits that you are just playing a game pretending to care about birth certificates.

2 - You seem to think "quantity" of birther rumors somehow implies that there is any validity to believing them. There isn't. A half a second look at what you count as "rumors" shows that they are only rumors if someone wants to believe in them. I could start 20 weak rumors like that about you today... these are supremely stupid hoaxes with no grounding in reality. To claim that there is some validity simply because of volume is insane. To think people should be excused for believing it simply because there are a lot of them is unacceptable. It is permitting our populace to be actively and purposely ignorant and extraordinarily vulnerable to anyone with 100 bots and a creative writing streak.

3 - When I see people being that purposely ignorant I assume there is a purpose. You didn't question Clinton's birth origin (Hillary or bill) they are both liberal democrats. You never questioned Gore's birth certificate or college transcript. He's as liberal as you get. No one questioned Reagan or Bush Sr (I'll give you a pass on jr), they aren't liberal democrats but I call BS on your belief that it has to be a liberal democrat.

4 - Where do you think this sh#t starts anyway? After it's begun, sure dupes get suckered into believing it because they aren't real bright and someone makes up a bunch of rumors and they think quantity = quality.... but why do you think it begins? It doesn't begin until someone says "Hey! I want a birth certificate from that guy! Something seems different about him... " Sure... maybe it's the name. Maybe it's skin color. But something caused a person to ask questions about him which they didn't ask about other candidates. But there you are just making excuses... "I don't think it was because of his skin color! I think it was because there were so many false rumors about his birth certificate!"... rumors which just magically appeared.

You would of had a leg to stand on if people had dropped this when he produced his birth certificate...
but they didn't. They fueled the rumors... they made new ones... they demanded proof of citizenship from him beyond that which they demanded of any other president before him. And one of the ringleaders is now president. And coincidentally is adored by the nazis and kkk of our country... (not a racist! But #1 with racists!)

It isn't a coincidence that this birther sh#t was widely supported by open racists.
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Well if tail didn't then no one did and it couldn't have been race based. That settles it.

And it was obammys own fault. He should have just produced the birth certificate. It sure settled it when he did. Lol. I remember some of the very names in here claiming it was fake and a certificate of live birth is not a birth certificate. I specifically remember it because mine is a certificate of live birth and folks in here claimed to know more than The Hawaii state officials. Birtherism was disgraceful and anyone who ever bought any part of it should be ashamed of themselves. If you did, no matter how small you are an idiot. And you may not be a racist, but that does not mean the whole thing had no racial undertones. You simply had something in common with racists and didn't know it. Racism doesn't have to be in your face.

The same folks demanding Obammys birth certificate (nothing to do with race or him nor being one of us, and an uncommon request) are also demanding Trumps tax returns (an expected and common thing) I'm sure.

teedubbya Offline
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It was not fabricated and if you believe that you simply can't be taken seriously.
teedubbya Offline
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The only person I thought really believed that garbage was jimmyct. He was someone nobody could take seriously. It took me awhile to figure out there were a few more in here. I thought they were kidding.
victor809 Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EAxesVQ8wo



Um...it was PROVEN to be FABRICATED!!!


Got anything else?


If you believe it's been proven then you're an idiot.
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