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Gene363 Offline
#101 Posted: Tue, Sep 26 2017, 11:52 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
1 - depends. do zombies poop? If they do, I'm not trading one useless street ****ter for another.
2 - If they don't poop, then my neighborhood will have the fewest homeless and fattest zombies before anyone were to even consider the concept of zombie rights.


If only you were this optimistic about the country and your fellow, pre-zombies humans.

On a more (un) serious note: I don't know if 'zombies' dedicate or not I think they are continuously rotting and losing parts. I'm not sure if they would change if they were well fed.
DrafterX Offline
#102 Posted: Tue, Sep 26 2017, 12:07 PM EST
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They'd prolly just hang out until you stopped feeding them... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#103 Posted: Tue, Sep 26 2017, 3:45 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
And I'm certain all those who voted for the broad ate it up too.


That would make a great bumper sticker: Don't blame me. I voted for the broad.
MACS Offline
#104 Posted: Tue, Sep 26 2017, 3:50 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
That would make a great bumper sticker: Don't blame me. I voted for the broad.



Brilliant!
gummy jones Offline
#105 Posted: Tue, Sep 26 2017, 6:31 PM EST
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Decent listen if you have some time and a good smoke

https://afr.net/podcasts/the-hamilton-corner/2017/september/the-answer-lies-in-the-measure-you-are-willing-to-listen-to-those-who-disagree/
fishinguitarman Offline
#106 Posted: Tue, Sep 26 2017, 6:43 PM EST
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Ummm...what happened to my post?
frankj1 Offline
#107 Posted: Tue, Sep 26 2017, 7:03 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
It appears that most of the same people who are supporting the players "rights" to kneel during our Anthem are the ones who cried foul when Tim Tebow kneeled to pray.


hmmm, not sure where this factoid came from, but the few NE Patriots i heard interviewed said that they had been hearing most of those kneeling were praying.
deadeyedick Offline
#108 Posted: Tue, Sep 26 2017, 7:37 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
That would make a great bumper sticker: Don't blame me. I voted for the broad.



Still like the one I saw last year:

"Obi wan kenobi for 2016 your our only hope"
tailgater Offline
#109 Posted: Tue, Sep 26 2017, 8:26 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
hmmm, not sure where this factoid came from, but the few NE Patriots i heard interviewed said that they had been hearing most of those kneeling were praying.


Ha!
They were too stupid to even know what they were protesting.

I have no patience for stupidity.
You have conviction? Great. I might disagree but we can at least have discourse.
But praying while you're supposed to be protesting?
I mean, at least hate trump a little.
Don't ruin it by praying.

Geeesh.
frankj1 Offline
#110 Posted: Tue, Sep 26 2017, 9:44 PM EST
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Trump may have been just a catalyst...I don't see any posts talking about the owners, who each kicked in a cool million to The Donald and now say how disturbing his words are, being trashed like the athletes.

Are the owners not as fortunate as the players to have made fortunes in this great country? Are the monetarily fortunate supposed to give up their rights?

Some say they are praying, I don't question it, I don't call them dumb. I think these people are pretty aware, whether right or wrong, of exactly what they are doing and why.
Perhaps some of us are too angry and hurt to understand and it's easier to insult than listen.
fishinguitarman Offline
#111 Posted: Tue, Sep 26 2017, 9:57 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Ha!
They were too stupid to even know what they were protesting.

I have no patience for stupidity.
You have conviction? Great. I might disagree but we can at least have discourse.
But praying while you're supposed to be protesting?
I mean, at least hate trump a little.
Don't ruin it by praying.

Geeesh.





90 Percent Agree...At least Trump says whats on his mind instead of BS
tailgater Offline
#112 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2017, 8:30 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
Trump may have been just a catalyst...I don't see any posts talking about the owners, who each kicked in a cool million to The Donald and now say how disturbing his words are, being trashed like the athletes.

Are the owners not as fortunate as the players to have made fortunes in this great country? Are the monetarily fortunate supposed to give up their rights?

Some say they are praying, I don't question it, I don't call them dumb. I think these people are pretty aware, whether right or wrong, of exactly what they are doing and why.
Perhaps some of us are too angry and hurt to understand and it's easier to insult than listen.


You can't be serious.

Praying?
None of this had anything to do with praying.

Why pray DURING the Anthem?

This doesn't pass the sniff test.
bs_kwaj Offline
#113 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2017, 8:41 AM EST
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DirecTV is offering refunds to people who bought NFL packages.

Beer
TMCTLT Offline
#114 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2017, 9:18 AM EST
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bs_kwaj wrote:
DirecTV is offering refunds to people who bought NFL packages.

Beer




AWESOME SAUCE Applause
frankj1 Offline
#115 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2017, 12:57 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You can't be serious.

Praying?
None of this had anything to do with praying.

Why pray DURING the Anthem?

This doesn't pass the sniff test.

not so much my tribe, but I'm under the impression kneeling and praying go together very well.
Ewok126 Offline
#116 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2017, 1:05 PM EST
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Kneel at the cross and stand for the flag!
teedubbya Offline
#117 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2017, 1:18 PM EST
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poor CROS
victor809 Offline
#118 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2017, 1:39 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Here's what the game operations manual says regarding the national anthem, according to an NFL spokesperson:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.

It's in their own operations manual. Hypocrites. Period.



I've been having a lot of trouble with this one the past couple days. I'd seen this posted by a "friend" on facebook before you mentioned it, and despite him having more questionable ideals than Tail, he seemed to think it was fake after a couple posts.

I tried tracking it back... it comes from a single article in Times, where they report "according to an NFL spokesman". Snopes is 50:50 on it, simply because they have no further evidence. I'm honestly not sure if it's true or not.

I can tell you with certainty that if Times reported "according to an NFL spokesman" on something you didn't agree with you'd refuse to believe it without seeing the document. And then someone here would say the document was forged.

I will say, to support the idea that the Operations manual may actually say that (or something similar) is the other point (which I also need documentation on) that the government began paying the NFL money in 2009 to have the players on the field for the national anthem. Now, if the NFL did actually contract with the government for this, I can see it being likely that an operations manual would instruct the players to be present (to protect the NFL from some breach of contract). However, IF that is the case, the wording of the operations manual is way more vague than I would expect. If you're trying to avoid breach of contract you don't say "should stand at attention"...

Longwinded ... TL/DR... I'm not 100% sure we should rest an argument on that statement.
victor809 Offline
#119 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2017, 1:40 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
poor CROS

Why? does Ewok give a toothy BJ?
teedubbya Offline
#120 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2017, 2:19 PM EST
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"It appears some fans are confusing the league rulebook for the NFL Game Operations Manual, which includes nearly 200 pages of procedures and policy for regular-season games. Among the arcane details: each team must provide 600 towels and 500 pounds of ice to the visiting team.

In an email, Brian McCarthy, the NFL’s vice president of communications, shared the portion of the manual that addresses the anthem, and that language is what has been shared on social media but mistakenly attributed to the rulebook.

McCarthy stressed that passage about the national anthem is a guideline and not a requirement. The key words in the operations manual are “should” and “may” and not “must.” No player is required to stand at attention.


That’s why the league has never issued a punishment for a player who didn’t follow the recommendation.

“There is no discipline being considered for any action yesterday,” McCarthy said Monday.

Troy Vincent, the NFL’s executive vice president of football operations, told The Sporting News in March that “the league didn’t discuss setting a standard protocol for all players during the pregame playing of the anthem.”

That Sporting News story said Vincent told Vic Carucci and Alex Marvez: “Frankly, the players have that right. They’re asked (to stand), but not required.”

When former San Francisco quarterback Colin Kaepernick sat down during the playing on the national anthem last year, the NFL issued this statement said the same thing: “Players are encouraged but not required to stand during the playing of the national anthem.”"


My understanding is the rule book governs player behavior etc. The operations manual is just that... an operations manual for the teams.


It all just comes down to political correctness and the incessant demand for PC from many in here.



By the way... isn't there an issue with holding the flag horizontal which is common?
DrafterX Offline
#121 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2017, 2:30 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:



By the way... isn't there an issue with holding the flag horizontal which is common?



That became ok when we started holding our guns sideways... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#122 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2017, 2:31 PM EST
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gangsta lean?
DrafterX Offline
#123 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2017, 2:32 PM EST
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I didn't know what it was called.. it just looks cool... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#124 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2017, 2:36 PM EST
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actually its more about how folks drive... but I want it to apply

"A common driving position in which the driver holds the wheel with his left hand while leaning to his right toward the passenger seat, usually bobbing his head or bumpin' with the beat. It's a pretty badass way to drive. This move works best in a Chevy Caprice or any pimp-style car with a 3-person front seat."
victor809 Offline
#125 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2017, 2:41 PM EST
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Ah.... tw found a name associated. Cool... now i feel like a research failure.
teedubbya Offline
#126 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2017, 2:43 PM EST
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its per the KC Star.... I don't know what's right or not and think we need to let all the PC warriors in here know that their outrage is duly noted.

noted
DrafterX Offline
#127 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2017, 2:47 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
usually bobbing his head or bumpin' with the beat.



My puppy-dog used to do that... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#128 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2017, 2:48 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
My puppy-dog used to do that... Mellow



the black one?
DrafterX Offline
#129 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2017, 2:52 PM EST
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the gold one.... Mellow
cacman Offline
#130 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2017, 3:24 PM EST
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It’s also worth pointing out this is the same NFL that fines players for wearing the wrong color socks or bringing onto the field a towel that is not licensed by the NFL.

In any event, we should dispense with the idea that NFL players enjoy some magical constitutional right to express themselves during pre-game ceremonies. They don’t.

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/law-professor-stop-saying-football-players-have-constitutional-right-kneel-during-national
Ewok126 Offline
#131 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2017, 3:37 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Why? does Ewok give a toothy BJ?




Bwahahahahhaa... Nope no BJ does ewok give, But I know a few girls that might be willing, and they also have no teeth and can cook as well. Gonz
MACS Offline
#132 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2017, 4:11 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
That became ok when we started holding our guns sideways... Mellow


That's actually beneficial when you are shooting weak hand, unsupported. The recoil will only turn your wrist, but you remain on target, whereas if you hold the pistol upright... recoil takes you off target to the left.
teedubbya Offline
#133 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2017, 4:42 PM EST
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drafters pimp hand is strong Mellow
Ewok126 Offline
#134 Posted: Thu, Sep 28 2017, 12:23 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
drafters dik hand is strong Mellow



OhMyGod OhMyGod OhMyGod OhMyGod
teedubbya Offline
#135 Posted: Thu, Sep 28 2017, 8:41 AM EST
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I heard his cbid "action figure" has kung fu grip.
RMAN4443 Offline
#136 Posted: Thu, Sep 28 2017, 12:16 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I heard his cbid "action figure" was dating Barbie's Ken,who really enjoys his kung-fu grip.

Not talking
delta1 Offline
#137 Posted: Thu, Sep 28 2017, 12:56 PM EST
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Everybody predicted the death of pro ball when players went on strike over the years...all sports...
teedubbya Offline
#138 Posted: Thu, Sep 28 2017, 1:08 PM EST
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to be fair, our president is an expert on failed sports leagues
frankj1 Offline
#139 Posted: Thu, Sep 28 2017, 7:00 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
to be fair, our president is an expert on failed sports leagues

and don't think for a minute he doesn't harbor a little grudge!
DrafterX Offline
#140 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2017, 10:27 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:

In an email, Brian McCarthy, the NFL’s vice president of communications, shared the portion of the manual that addresses the anthem, and that language is what has been shared on social media but mistakenly attributed to the rulebook.

McCarthy stressed that passage about the national anthem is a guideline and not a requirement. The key words in the operations manual are “should” and “may” and not “must.” No player is required to stand at attention.


That’s why the league has never issued a punishment for a player who didn’t follow the recommendation.

“There is no discipline being considered for any action yesterday,” McCarthy said Monday.


I've heard them talk about how this was just a 'suggestion' but nobody mentions why they took the time to lay out the penalties if that were the case...


Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.



Think
tailgater Offline
#141 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2017, 11:31 AM EST
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Lost in all this is the original intent of the kneeling.

Kaepernick has been silent. So much for his crusade.

Those who knelt for the first time last week didn't know why.

Those who stood did so arm and arm. A sign of solidarity. Which is was: Solidarity against Trump's inappropriate tweet.

But the kneeling wasn't supposed to be about solidarity. Or anti-White House.

It was supposed to be about cop-on-black killings.

And for those who think that it's not disrespectful? That it isn't Anti-America ??
Listen to the man himself when he started this posturing:
"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color."

Kaepernick himself states very clearly that standing up "shows pride".
He's doing the opposite. Which is to say he has no pride in America.

Not my words.
His.

So stop the lunacy.
If you hate America that's your right.
But stop pretending it's anything but what it is.
streetrod Offline
#142 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2017, 12:50 PM EST
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TG:
Could not agree more. However I will go 1 step further. If you really hate America, do all the people that love our country a favor and get the Fug out and go to a country that you will like. I'm not talking to the people that have issue with America, I'm talking to the ones that actually hate this great country of ours.
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#143 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2017, 2:24 PM EST
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tail in Aug...

"Those guys marching with nazi and kkk symbols and chanting english translations of old nazi phrases say they're protesting for free speech and because they love the history of statues. We should believe them"

tail in sept

"I know exactly whether these NFL protesters even know what they are protesting".
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#144 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2017, 4:04 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
tail in Aug...

"Those guys marching with nazi and kkk symbols and chanting english translations of old nazi phrases say they're protesting for free speech and because they love the history of statues. We should believe them"

tail in sept

"I know exactly whether these NFL protesters even know what they are protesting".


Yeah.
I guess I shouldn't believe Colin Kaepernick's own words.

You probably think he's too dumb to know better because he's black.
But you would then add him to your friend count.
tailgater Offline
#145 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2017, 4:07 PM EST
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streetrod wrote:
TG:
Could not agree more. However I will go 1 step further. If you really hate America, do all the people that love our country a favor and get the Fug out and go to a country that you will like. I'm not talking to the people that have issue with America, I'm talking to the ones that actually hate this great country of ours.



Too bad the Pats don't suck as bad as the Giants. That would make my decision to boycott much easier!

Seriously, though. I'm gonna smoke a great cigar on Sunday.
And I'll think of my pal Streetrod.
Not because you're dreamy.
But because you sent it to me.
victor809 Offline
#146 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2017, 4:07 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Yeah.
I guess I shouldn't believe Colin Kaepernick's own words.

You probably think he's too dumb to know better because he's black.
But you would then add him to your friend count.







Right over your head. Maybe if you jump you can catch it.

How many players other than CK did you say in your post were not doing it because of police violence against blacks?
RMAN4443 Offline
#147 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2017, 4:15 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Too bad the Pats don't suck as bad as the Giants. That would make my decision to boycott much easier!

Seriously, though. I'm gonna smoke a great cigar on Sunday.
And I'll think of my pal Streetrod.
Not because you're dreamy.
But because you sent it to me.


Joe,you going to Pats vs. Panthers Sunday???
I'll be there.......same place,near the SP horse corral.....parking lot P-10,Area 51
tailgater Offline
#148 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2017, 4:25 PM EST
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Yup.
Got your number.
We're usually in P10 but sometimes P11.
RMAN4443 Offline
#149 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2017, 4:50 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Yup.
Got your number.
We're usually in P10 but sometimes P11.



Cool,maybe I'll see you there.........don't forget to keep your phone charged......lolBeer
tailgater Offline
#150 Posted: Sat, Sep 30 2017, 8:45 AM EST
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I have a new phone.
Inspired by Franks flip phone.

Still working on details.
Might be on stadium side instead of P10.
I'll let you know.
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