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The lunatics are keeping score...58* is the new record...
(* means number likely to go up due to the people who may succumb to their critical injuries)


NRA succeeds/profits, since gun sales usually spike after mass killings...

A good man with a gun in the crowd would not have helped here, unless we allow open carry of scoped or semi-auto rifles...

Suspect is not known to have a history of mental problems...

The Carnage continues...

dammmmm....

Wow. I agree with Victor.

Well stated.

All info I've read is that the suspect was......nobody and everybody. Financially sound accountant. Not known to have mental problems. Liked poker and going on cruises. Not anti-Government...not anti-Trump. Not a known nazi or antifa kinda guy. Prolly smoked the occasional cigar and could have fit in fine right here.


There is nothing that could have stopped what happened. It's not Trump's fault or the NRA. It's not pro-gun or anti-gun. It's just a sh*tbag with a rifle and hate in his heart. As Victor rightfully says, we can politicize it or we can mourn the dead and move on.

The only thing that will prevent "me toos" is if the media quit releasing the names of the shooters and giving them their fame.

I agree with victor... Not much you can do about it.

Edit:

Deleted a piece of a thought I forgot to finish (and flat out forgot the thought so I couldn't finish it).

I think Vic's nuts finally dropped.

It is one thing for a law abiding American to own a six shooter to protect themselves. Or a shot gun, or a bolt action deer rifle.

But Americans believe that almost everyone should have access to almost anything. Assault rifles that are easy modified to be military grade automatic. Magazines as big as can be carried. As much ammo as you want. Weapons you can fight a war with - all alone from a hotel room if you like.

So as the body count runs to 59, let’s remember that we don’t believe that there is not any difference between the types of weapons that citizens might own. Especially as there are bill now that would expand the right of Americans to have silencers - just because they might want them. You know, for protection, or sport. Or incase you’re really having a bad day.







Couple of people here on the forum have argued that we should be able to buy hand grenades at walmart.

Guess if this guy had full and proper rights he would have hade RPG’s.....

Of course - no reason not to sell grenades at walmart.

Because limiting access to really, really dangerous weapons is pointless - and of no value.
Did I get that right?

We don't know where he got the automatic weapons but they are highly restricted already.. if he didn't have the license to own them he was breaking existing laws.. is there another law that would have stopped him..??

Ah, but as a misanthrope, you are (hopefully) only a minority. And not in line with society as a whole.

But what about the rest of us who think that the kid next door buying sticks of dynamite is not a good idea - even if it offends his rights as an American?
I know - too bad for us.

Just to put this in perspective, you’re good with people pizzing in the streets, right?

And when broken penalties are paid.. breaking the law is a choice..

Why thank you.

Going for the Tinman post of the day?

- jk

So......Laws do help prevent, deter crimes. Good thing, yes?

Brew's overall statement may have been a strawman but there was a legit argument.

Drafter's question is one of those stupid questions... "f he didn't have the license to own them he was breaking existing laws.. is there another law that would have stopped him..?? " Which ignores the entire supply chain....

Now - caveat... the supply chain for weaponry is changing... more and more people are able to just manufacture a weapon.
However, it does still apply (for a couple more years)... if you make the laws more strict, the penalties more severe and add additional laws along the entire supply chain you make it more expensive to acquire any illegal weaponry. And like any good republican who hates the minimum wage would agree, making something more expensive reduces demand. You reduce the demand and threre's less a chance this particular nut-job would get the weapon.

It's a sound argument.

But really no fun. Because the entire time you've worked to make that supply chain more expensive, you've had to listen to people whine about their rights being trampled on.

When left with two choices - one being a marginal reduction in access to deadly weaponry through laws, but having a constant fight over what the 2nd amendment may mean, and really incessant whining.... and the other being getting to see the end result of uncontrolled access to all weaponry by our population?.... I'd choose the second option any day.

They aren't 59 important reasons...

Dude.... there's 7 billion of us.

7... billion....


with a b.

59 is 8.42 * 10-7% of that....

I think you missed Drafter's point. This dude was a pro gambler... you're not walking into a store and buying full auto machine guns... not happening.

His loan shark probably knew a guy who knew a guy.

Well, if you want social Darwinism then we should just start a long and sustainable war and enlist the economically disadvantaged to.....





Oh, never mind.

Dude, I think you're on to something here




Come on now, Drafter is a good guy!

Well, this dude was rich, so even that probably wasn't enough to stop him.

You do have a solid closing argument though.


Edit:

The punishment for illegal gun sales is already steep, doubt more laws would really impact that. Then you have corruption at the choke points, etc... I don't think it's as easy as making the penalties more severe.

My compliments Victor. You have skillfully blended reductive and inductive reasoning.

Bra-vo.

Delta, you already know the answer. As Victor clearly stated before he became facetious there is no answer. I don't know about you, but I do not want to live in a police state that minimizes the rights of individuals so the masses feel protected. Even then there is no guarantee that mass murder will not happen. While this is tragic, and horrific, Victor is correct, statistically it is irrelevant. If the media stopped sensationalizing these tragedies I think there would be less of them. But that is not going to happen, plus I do not want the government sensor in out news. I think perhaps a better question is why certain people hold so little value for human life. If that could be understood maybe it could be fixed.

I’ve always wanted one of those mini guns like Arnold used.
It’s my right as an American to have one, right?

I want a LAWS rocket too. You know, for snakes and such......

Stephen Paddock’s ability to kill scores of concertgoers Sunday night may have come from using modified semi-automatic weapons with high-capacity magazines, something that enabled him to shoot hundreds of rounds in just a few minutes.


When the feds stormed the hotel room that the 64-year-old Nevada resident used to launch his massacre, they found 23 weapons -- along with two devices that are attached to the stocks of semi-automatic guns to allow fully automatic gunfire, two officials familiar with the investigation told The Associated Press.

Automatic weapons fire a stream of bullets when the trigger is pulled once and held. They differ from semiautomatic weapons, which require one trigger pull for eachz round fired.

The deadly shooting at a Las Vegas concert has claimed more than 50 lives and injured hundreds more. It made Nevada the home of the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history. Here's a look at the gun laws in the state.Video
Las Vegas shooting: What are Nevada's gun laws?

Unless a person is a member of the military or a police agency, obtaining an automatic firearm is difficult and expensive. Potential buyers must first locate a gun dealer who is authorized to sell automatic weapons. Then they must submit applications to both federal and local agencies. If those applications are approved, the buyer must pay $200 for a tax stamp.

But semi-automatic rifles can be modified to fire fully automatic. Sometimes, add-on devices are attached to the stock that allows a method called bump firing – in which the shooter uses the recoil of the gun to push the trigger against the stationary finger allowing for a rapid succession of shots, similar to a fully automatic firearm. Devices called bump stocks can be attached to the rear of a semi-automatic to help facilitate this method.

Other devices like a trigger crank can also modify these weapons so they fire in an automatic fashion at a low cost.





So, he didn't have true automatic weapons..

The trigger crank is what we call a hell fire trigger or a gat crank, for every turn of the crank the weapon fires 3 times. The diameter of a full rotation is about 3 inches. You can dump 75 rounds in less than a few seconds. Because of the fact that the Gat Crank trigger is not a spring loaded device it is legal in the majority of states. It is viewed as just pulling the trigger rapidly. I use to have one lol.

On second thought the best thing is for the media to agree to not release the name of the shooter(s). It they were denied notoriety then perhaps these fucked up people would nibble on a barrel before taking out innocent lives.

Bwahahahah not so sure that would be "easy peasy" Some people "Like Me" was able to see the writing on the wall years ago. Therefore, they had enough fore site to procure weapons and ammo that could not be traced, Hide said weapons in places that no one would ever look, and Never spoke of such.

That way when the next civil war should break out, well, I shall quote HG Wells, 1904 from his short story, “Country of the Blind and it says “In the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.”

At the rate we are now heading, the Nazi uprisings over a statue, The lets erase history because it was racist, people getting ran over with cars, people throwing bags of crap and piss on every one else, Riots, people hurting each other over difference of opinions such as who is President who isn't. Lets kneel for the Anthem and disrespect the flag, No lets stand and show respect for the flag ect and so on and on and on and on....... All this just in our own nation with our own people. Now lets throw in Fatty fat fat and who knows what that crazy fat little midget will do.

Well lets just say when resources gets scarce don't be surprised if people that had the "fore site" show up at your house. I promise you this, it will not the door bell they will be ringing to get your attention so they can borrow a cup of sugar. Just my opinion of course and in having a stroke my brain, it no work right. lmaooooo.