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DrMaddVibe Offline
#51 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
Dude, I think you're on to something here Flapper




Come on now, Drafter is a good guy!


I think Chicago is a wonderful town.
Ewok126 Offline
#52 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Couple of people here on the forum have argued that we should be able to buy hand grenades at walmart.

Guess if this guy had full and proper rights he would have hade RPG’s.....


Pshhhhhh.... Piss on Walmart... How many nades you need? Eh? Eh? Eh?
Brewha Offline
#53 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I guess you failed at understanding the 2nd Amendment. You should probably go back and read the words there. Take out your agenda and for good measure read the Federalist Papers take on it as well.

"Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it. Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it."



After all, they were written (by those pesky Founding Fathers everyone loves to hate now!) as a primer for the people to digest what they representatives were voting for in the birth of this Nation. Wouldn't be a bad idea as your post shows you don't have a grasp on the topic at hand.

The second amendment refers to a "well organized militia", not any nut job who thinks guns are cool. And being armed has may degrees and levels - you prolly think it's your forefather given right to have a tactical nuke. Which is what you would need to fight our modern govmut.

As to reading things, it doesn't seem to have helped you....
DrMaddVibe Offline
#54 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
The second amendment refers to a "well organized militia", not any nut job who thinks guns are cool. And being armed has may degrees and levels - you prolly think it's your forefather given right to have a tactical nuke. Which is what you would need to fight our modern govmut.

As to reading things, it doesn't seem to have helped you....



You really aren't that bright.
Brewha Offline
#55 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
You really aren't that bright.

Are you suggesting that I'm a Republican?


-jk
DrMaddVibe Offline
#56 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Are you suggesting that I'm a Republican?


-jk


No, but thank you for proving my point exactly.

You're not capable of actually reading ANYTHING without a prejudice or agenda. Why, I'd dare say you're afraid of being educated.
Buckwheat Offline
#57 Posted:
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Easy; infect the world's population with a Progenitor virus (i.e. Resident Evil's virus) and watch the world go to chit. Sarcasm

Actually, I agree with Victor's assessment on this one. fog
cacman Offline
#58 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I think Chicago is a wonderful town.

Toughest gun laws in the Country. Highest murder rate with a firearm in the Country, with thoughts of calling in the National Guard to help police its citizens. Yep. More laws work.

Stopping the "Illegal supply chain" and "making expensive" arguments are pointless as long as the internet is cheap, and instructions for converting to full-auto and building bombs are easily available for download. Got a 3D printer?
SteveS Offline
#59 Posted:
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the solution is not more laws ... there are already far more than enough in existence to accomplish the task ...
victor809 Offline
#60 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

- Ben Franklin

As Victor said, before he started waffling... the world is an inherently dangerous place. Most people are good. You cannot, no matter what the f*** you do, protect yourself from a nutjob bent on destruction.


Why do you make the statement I was waffling?

I don't believe we should have done anything to try to prevent this. I don't honestly think it is worth it to try to prevent most of these... punish people after the fact, don't try to stop a crime from happening before it happens. that just restricts people.

But you have to remember that applies to everything.
gummy jones Offline
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despite incredibly strict laws crazies managed to cause horrific bloodshed with bombs and full auto aks at a pop concert just a few months ago in manchester

seems that crazy people find ways to do crazy things and i have a hunch that they always will

in a country that puts such little value on life and has a decreasing belief that our current existence is much more than molecules in motion can we really be surprised by this sort of stuff?
Ewok126 Offline
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gummy jones wrote:
despite incredibly strict laws crazies managed to cause horrific bloodshed with bombs and full auto aks at a pop concert just a few months ago in manchester

seems that crazy people find ways to do crazy things and i have a hunch that they always will

in a country that puts such little value on life and has a decreasing belief that our current existence is much more than molecules in motion can we really be surprised by this sort of stuff?



I hate to say it but honestly I am not surprised or even shocked really. This kind of stuff seems to be happening more and more with little time in between. It is astounding how fast one can get accustom to something when it happens all the time. First time I seen a human skull popped open like a sardine can I almost lost my cookies. A week later after seeing it 10 or more times, I could eat a steak while watching and it wouldn't phase me a bit nor will it for the rest of my life. Hell even worse I not only got use to the smell of cauterized flesh but even got to where I like the smell.
victor809 Offline
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.... note to self... don't get severe burns around ewok when he hasn't eaten lunch...
Ewok126 Offline
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victor809 wrote:
.... note to self... don't get severe burns around ewok when he hasn't eaten lunch...



hahahaha, now would not be a good time. Still waiting on the wife to get home with lunch.
jjanecka Offline
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Where's Jonesy to confirm suspicion that this was a botched assassination attempt?
RMAN4443 Offline
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Ewok126 wrote:
I hate to say it but honestly I am not surprised or even shocked really. This kind of stuff seems to be happening more and more with little time in between. It is astounding how fast one can get accustom to something when it happens all the time. First time I seen a human skull popped open like a sardine can I almost lost my cookies. A week later after seeing it 10 or more times, I could eat a steak while watching and it wouldn't phase me a bit nor will it for the rest of my life. Hell even worse I not only got use to the smell of cauterized flesh but even got to where I like the smell.

That reminds me,the wife burned the spaghetti......I can still kinda smell itd'oh!
gummy jones Offline
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jjanecka wrote:
Where's Jonesy to confirm suspicion that this was a botched assassination attempt?


i couldnt put my finger on the smell
but sure enough, ssg
Ewok126 Offline
#68 Posted:
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RMAN4443 wrote:
That reminds me,the wife burned the spaghetti......I can still kinda smell itd'oh!



Lol yea kind of sticks with you for a while.
dstieger Offline
#69 Posted:
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gummy jones wrote:
i couldnt put my finger on the smell
but sure enough, ssg

lol...you won't miss it next time...kinda sticks with you for a while
Ewok126 Offline
#70 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
lol...you won't miss it next time...kinda sticks with you for a while



lol very true
delta1 Offline
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For a country that once stood collectively to marshal the knowledge and resources to rebuild Europe and for putting a man on the moon...we have fallen into disrepair and despair where mass murder of dozens, soon hundreds, of our fellow citizens is acceptable.

It does fit the current national narrative though: we as a country are making U-Turns on many previously held perspectives.

We hated the military only 50 years ago, turning our backs on those returning from war in SE Asia after they were drafted and dragged kicking and screaming into the armed services. Poor guys didn't have rich daddies or smarts enough to get deferments and were thrown into battles our top military minds and political leaders didn't have clear objectives to fight. Now we love our military, falling all over ourselves to hold up our fighting men and women as icons when someone "disrespects" the flag, even though our military hasn't really decisively "won" anything where we are better off now than before the fighting started...but I'm on-board with supporting our military...

Fifty years ago, we were slowly turning our backs on Jim Crow, separate but equal, sanctioned segregation, and legalized oppression against minorities by embracing the Civil Rights Act...now we want to return to those days with Voter Suppression Laws, increased visibility of Neo-Nazis and KKK, open hostility and verbal trashing of minorities by some in power, and Making America Great Again...not so much...

Fifty years ago, something like Las Vegas was unimaginable...single trigger pull rifles and pistols with six or seven rounds max were the common weapons... mass murderer events were rarer and had far fewer victims...and guns like the ones used by the killer weren't considered appropriate for the average American...heck, it was only 25 years ago when we passed a bi-partisan Federal Assault Weapons Ban...now this is a U-Turn that we SHOULD consider...
DrafterX Offline
#72 Posted:
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When was the University of Texas Bell Tower thing..?! Huh
delta1 Offline
#73 Posted:
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1966, 11 people were killed on the ground and three in the tower...imagine the horror and number of victims if he had access to the weapons the nutjob had in Las Vegas...he could've killed many dozens more people on that crowded campus...


Whitman's weapons:

Remington 700 ADL (6mm)
Universal M1 carbine
Remington Model 141 (.35-caliber)
Sears model 60 Semi-automatic shotgun (12 gauge)
S&W Model 19 (.357 Magnum)
Luger P08 (9mm)
Galesi-Brescia (.25 ACP)
Knife
bgz Offline
#74 Posted:
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I don't know, I think the world is better off now than it was 50 years ago.

I see progress. I don't see the world getting worse, I see it getting better.

The only difference between now and then is that the media covers ALL the crazy chit that happens, because we have way more media.

Not just the mainstream, but the online commercial news agencies plus the thousands(millions?) of bloggers feeding said news agencies.

What I'm alarmed by is the power grabbing commies trying to strip people of their rights (both sides are guilty of this... but mostly the left).

zOMG some nut job snapped, ban all guns!

zOMG terrorists use encryption, lets ban encryption!

zOMG I don't like what those guys are saying, lets riot and beat them with baseball bats and throw rocks at them and deny them their right to speak!

Ya, the only thing that's worse now than back then is the men with nuts to men without nuts ratio.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#75 Posted:
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And here's the Vegas shooter...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wKqcgf5ooE


Wearing a pink pu$$y hat protesting Trump.

Shoots up a Country concert where an hour before the bullets rained down they had been singing in unison "God Bless America"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVPHQkbK5eI

Pretty sick stuff. The Left had better start shaping up. Behaving like this trying to initiate a Civil War...it's backfiring.

What could prevent this? Proper mental health. More proof.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#76 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
For a country that once stood collectively to marshal the knowledge and resources to rebuild Europe and for putting a man on the moon...we have fallen into disrepair and despair where mass murder of dozens, soon hundreds, of our fellow citizens is acceptable.


The rest is just more blah,blah blah.

What's the "We" stuff? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? You don't speak for the America I live in and that's a fact.

Why don't you and the rest of your racist libtard buddies start acting like humans instead of the animals we see on the news? Drop the hate and see the good. I DARE you to try it for a week.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#77 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
When was the University of Texas Bell Tower thing..?! Huh


1966...do the math.
Brewha Offline
#78 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
No, but thank you for proving my point exactly.

You're not capable of actually reading ANYTHING without a prejudice or agenda. Why, I'd dare say you're afraid of being educated.

Well, as a principal engineer who has taught at a junior college I can go on and on about my fear of education- ad nauseam (That means too much).

And in the interest of furthering your worms eye view of the world, “jk” means “just kidding”.

Lighten up DMV. And remember that “Liberals are Cbid’s most valuable asset”.
Words to live by.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#79 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Well, as a principal engineer who has taught at a junior college I can go on and on about my fear of education- ad nauseam (That means too much).

And in the interest of furthering your worms eye view of the world, “jk” means “just kidding”.

Lighten up DMV. And remember that “Liberals are Cbid’s most valuable asses”.
Words to live by.



Lighten up? Try it yourself.

I don't know nor care about your "teaching" abilities. What I find rather odd is that you'd quote something that you know nothing about.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Like I said earlier...it's like you're afraid to be educated. Understanding the words, not only of their time but also how they've been articulated ( that also means: (of an idea or feeling) expressed; put into words) through the courts and ages. Not your feeble (that means indicating weakness) understanding through a pseudo political prism.
jjanecka Offline
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The whole point everyone is missing is that the people that started this country intended for the men of the private militias to be in charge of congress, exec branch, judicial branch. There literally should damn near be a requirement for congressmen to be part of an active militia in order to cast their votes.
8trackdisco Offline
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A double Federal worker- post office and IRS. We should have known. Postal Workers are time bombs

Plus he was obviously a racist. He killed almost exclusively white people.

Would have loved for him to be tried under hate crime legislation.
Brewha Offline
#82 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Lighten up? Try it yourself.

I don't know nor care about your "teaching" abilities. What I find rather odd is that you'd quote something that you know nothing about.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Like I said earlier...it's like you're afraid to be educated. Understanding the words, not only of their time but also how they've been articulated ( that also means: (of an idea or feeling) expressed; put into words) through the courts and ages. Not your feeble (that means indicating weakness) understanding through a pseudo political prism.

Well I will admit that the fool is the twin of the wise.

But to your point - What is the limit if any of “Arms”?
Small arms, short arms, long arms, artillery, chemical weapons, nukes?
What balance do you see - with you considerable learning - between some arms and anything that one could have?

That sir, is the crux of the biscuit.
dkeage Offline
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8trackdisco wrote:
A double Federal worker- post office and IRS. We should have known. Postal Workers are time bombs

Plus he was obviously a racist. He killed almost exclusively white people.

Would have loved for him to be tried under hate crime legislation.



Imagine the outcry if he shot up a rap concert......Think
Burner02 Offline
#84 Posted:
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dkeage wrote:
Imagine the outcry if he shot up a rap concert......Think



Appears that may have been his initial plan but could not get a room.
DrafterX Offline
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I heard that too...

The Girlfriend just flew in... She will be locked up soon.... Failing to nark is a crime... Mellow
Speyside Offline
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I saw a video of a bump stock in use. It fired nearly as fast as a fully automatic. Additional laws are not the answer. People will always find ways around the laws, such as a bump stock.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Well I will admit that the fool is the twin of the wise.

But to your point - What is the limit if any of “Arms”?
Small arms, short arms, long arms, artillery, chemical weapons, nukes?
What balance do you see - with you considerable learning - between some arms and anything that one could have?

That sir, is the crux of the biscuit.



No, that's not my "point" at all. Let's start with the "well regulated militia". Learn to walk before you run.
DrafterX Offline
#88 Posted:
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There are currently existing laws defining 'limits' on types of weapons the average Joe can own... Sometimes the number of weapons may exceed what some people may like (think Waco) but they are still legal nonetheless.. Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
#89 Posted:
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Background checks don't work. Limiting law biding citizens from they're inalienable rights is tyrannical.

You CANNOT prevent or legislate away evil period.

Clamoring for laws which already don't stop anything is buying into the slow creep of tyranny. But hey, statists gonna state......
tailgater Offline
#90 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
It is one thing for a law abiding American to own a six shooter to protect themselves. Or a shot gun, or a bolt action deer rifle.

But Americans believe that almost everyone should have access to almost anything. Assault rifles that are easy modified to be military grade automatic. Magazines as big as can be carried. As much ammo as you want. Weapons you can fight a war with - all alone from a hotel room if you like.

So as the body count runs to 59, let’s remember that we don’t believe that there is not any difference between the types of weapons that citizens might own. Especially as there are bill now that would expand the right of Americans to have silencers - just because they might want them. You know, for protection, or sport. Or incase you’re really having a bad day.

.


Would you have preferred if the people died from a U-Haul truck filled with fertilizer?

Or a Boeing 737?

Or a rented van?


With freedom comes responsibility.
Don't take away MY freedoms because some D-Bag is irresponsible.

Ewok126 Offline
#91 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Would you have preferred if the people died from a U-Haul truck filled with fertilizer?

Or a Boeing 737?

Or a rented van?


With freedom comes responsibility.
Don't take away MY freedoms because some D-Bag is irresponsible.


DrafterX Offline
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That would make a Fine C&W song... Mellow
jjanecka Offline
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Can we just come together on all of this and ban Jason Aldean from ever trying to play country music again?
gummy jones Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Well I will admit that the fool is the twin of the wise.

But to your point - What is the limit if any of “Arms”?
Small arms, short arms, long arms, artillery, chemical weapons, nukes?
What balance do you see - with you considerable learning - between some arms and anything that one could have?

That sir, is the crux of the biscuit.


it really is not the crux of the biscuit
it is hyperbole at best to talk about nukes and grenades
its not even being intellectually honest - its pure partisanship

to compare semi auto pistols and rifles (which have existed in this country for decades and decades in massive numbers and are obviously esteemed as the best means to protect oneself by private citizens, cops, history, etc the world over) to zyclon b shows that an honest conversation cannot be had with fanatics.
gummy jones Offline
#95 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Would you have preferred if the people died from a U-Haul truck filled with fertilizer?

Or a Boeing 737?

Or a rented van?


With freedom comes responsibility.
Don't take away MY freedoms because some D-Bag is irresponsible.



violent and gun crimes have steeply declined in the last decade or so

all lives matter and the brutal loss of even one is too many
but statistically speaking these events, and more specifically those involving semi auto rifles, are insignificant

confiscation is the obvious end game of the liberal loons and they no longer hide it

no they are not woken up by the atrocities committed in other nations who have banned guns - counterfactual data from their socialist wet dream countries doesnt fit the narrative

no they dont care about the insane amount of murders that take place in single parent, black neighborhoods throughout this country - they will never find themselves in those neighborhoods to begin with

but these events - events that occur in places that they may find themselves - these are the coup de gras.

https://youtu.be/Pb-YuhFWCr4
gummy jones Offline
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not a fantastic article but interesting it is in the washington post

Quote:
By Leah Libresco October 3 at 3:02 PM
Leah Libresco is a statistician and former newswriter at FiveThirtyEight, a data journalism site. She is the author of “Arriving at Amen.”

Before I started researching gun deaths, gun-control policy used to frustrate me. I wished the National Rifle Association would stop blocking common-sense gun-control reforms such as banning assault weapons, restricting silencers, shrinking magazine sizes and all the other measures that could make guns less deadly.

Then, my colleagues and I at FiveThirtyEight spent three months analyzing all 33,000 lives ended by guns each year in the United States, and I wound up frustrated in a whole new way. We looked at what interventions might have saved those people, and the case for the policies I’d lobbied for crumbled when I examined the evidence. The best ideas left standing were narrowly tailored interventions to protect subtypes of potential victims, not broad attempts to limit the lethality of guns.

After a shooting in Las Vegas left at least 58 people dead and injured hundreds, Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) on Oct. 2 said Congress’s failure to pass gun-control legislation amounts to an “unintentional endorsement” of mass shootings. (U.S. Senate)
I researched the strictly tightened gun laws in Britain and Australia and concluded that they didn’t prove much about what America’s policy should be. Neither nation experienced drops in mass shootings or other gun related-crime that could be attributed to their buybacks and bans. Mass shootings were too rare in Australia for their absence after the buyback program to be clear evidence of progress. And in both Australia and Britain, the gun restrictions had an ambiguous effect on other gun-related crimes or deaths.

When I looked at the other oft-praised policies, I found out that no gun owner walks into the store to buy an “assault weapon.” It’s an invented classification that includes any semi-automatic that has two or more features, such as a bayonet mount, a rocket-propelled grenade-launcher mount, a folding stock or a pistol grip. But guns are modular, and any hobbyist can easily add these features at home, just as if they were snapping together Legos.

As for silencers — they deserve that name only in movies, where they reduce gunfire to a soft puick puick. In real life, silencers limit hearing damage for shooters but don’t make gunfire dangerously quiet. An AR-15 with a silencer is about as loud as a jackhammer. Magazine limits were a little more promising, but a practiced shooter could still change magazines so fast as to make the limit meaningless.

As my co-workers and I kept looking at the data, it seemed less and less clear that one broad gun-control restriction could make a big difference. Two-thirds of gun deaths in the United States every year are suicides. Almost no proposed restriction would make it meaningfully harder for people with guns on hand to use them. I couldn't even answer my most desperate question: If I had a friend who had guns in his home and a history of suicide attempts, was there anything I could do that would help?

However, the next-largest set of gun deaths — 1 in 5 — were young men aged 15 to 34, killed in homicides. These men were most likely to die at the hands of other young men, often related to gang loyalties or other street violence. And the last notable group of similar deaths was the 1,700 women murdered per year, usually as the result of domestic violence. Far more people were killed in these ways than in mass-shooting incidents, but few of the popularly floated policies were tailored to serve them.

By the time we published our project, I didn’t believe in many of the interventions I’d heard politicians tout. I was still anti-gun, at least from the point of view of most gun owners, and I don’t want a gun in my home, as I think the risk outweighs the benefits. But I can’t endorse policies whose only selling point is that gun owners hate them. Policies that often seem as if they were drafted by people who have encountered guns only as a figure in a briefing book or an image on the news.

Instead, I found the most hope in more narrowly tailored interventions. Potential suicide victims, women menaced by their abusive partners and kids swept up in street vendettas are all in danger from guns, but they each require different protections.

Was the Las Vegas shooting the worst in U.S. history? It depends.
While the attack on the Las Vegas strip is the deadliest in modern American history, attacks in the 19th and 20th centuries had higher death tolls. Here are two deadly events in American history that you may not have heard about. (Victoria Walker/The Washington Post)
Older men, who make up the largest share of gun suicides, need better access to people who could care for them and get them help. Women endangered by specific men need to be prioritized by police, who can enforce restraining orders prohibiting these men from buying and owning guns. Younger men at risk of violence need to be identified before they take a life or lose theirs and to be connected to mentors who can help them de-escalate conflicts.

Even the most data-driven practices, such as New Orleans’ plan to identify gang members for intervention based on previous arrests and weapons seizures, wind up more personal than most policies floated. The young men at risk can be identified by an algorithm, but they have to be disarmed one by one, personally — not en masse as though they were all interchangeable. A reduction in gun deaths is most likely to come from finding smaller chances for victories and expanding those solutions as much as possible. We save lives by focusing on a range of tactics to protect the different kinds of potential victims and reforming potential killers, not from sweeping bans focused on the guns themselves.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html?utm_term=.b05849b2accc
jdawg1975 Offline
#97 Posted:
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Well said Victor. Nothing can take evil out of the heart of a man hell bent on chaos. Especially not more laws. Murder is already illegal. If not a firearm then a pressure cooker, van full of amonium nitrate, or an envelope of ricin.
delta1 Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
The rest is just more blah,blah blah.

What's the "We" stuff? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? You don't speak for the America I live in and that's a fact.

Why don't you and the rest of your racist libtard buddies start acting like humans instead of the animals we see on the news? Drop the hate and see the good. I DARE you to try it for a week.


Then you believe that in America, it is acceptable for someone to own and use the kinds of weapons that the really sick douche used to mow down more than 600 people, killing 58 of them? Try as I may, I can't really see the good in that...sorry...
DrafterX Offline
#99 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,508
Millions of people have owned and used these guns for 100 years.. you want them to throw them away now..?? Huh
delta1 Offline
#100 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,754
^ #96

Just read that article...thanks for sharing gummy...real food for thought...I don't believe we can solve gun violence with sweeping new gun laws...we need some positive cultural shifts away from believing that those who don't share some of my beliefs are at "civil war"...it seems that the hate for one another has over-taken the desire to see the good, the things we have in common, the shared values, in all...


but it's possible to reduce the numbers of victims by limiting the number of weapons like those used by the LV loon...conversion kits like bump stocks should not be legal...small changes can have a positive effect...

...new restrictions were passed to regulate chemicals after the OKC bombing, after all...
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