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NRA questions Obama's decision to allow bump stocks 7 years ago.
tailgater Offline
#1 Posted:
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Last week I didn't know what a bump stock was.

Now I learn that it's an add-on that makes semi-automatic rifles shoot nearly as fast as automatics.

The question of whether they should be legal is so complex that even the NRA wants to discuss the options.

And now we learn that it was Obama and his ATF that allowed for bump stocks to be sold in the US. Sure, we're getting some finger pointing and deflections claiming it's a component rather than a firearm, but the timing isn't in question. it was during Obama's tenure.
So the only question left to ask: Why is Trump so evil?

TMCTLT Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Last week I didn't know what a bump stock was.

Now I learn that it's an add-on that makes semi-automatic rifles shoot nearly as fast as automatics.

The question of whether they should be legal is so complex that even the NRA wants to discuss the options.

And now we learn that it was Obama and his ATF that allowed for bump stocks to be sold in the US. Sure, we're getting some finger pointing and deflections claiming it's a component rather than a firearm, but the timing isn't in question. it was during Obama's tenure.
So the only question left to ask: Why is Trump so evil?





Because he's not HILLDOG.....that is all.
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted:
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I never got my free Obama-bump-stock..!! Mad
victor809 Offline
#4 Posted:
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I support the opportunity to keep and use bump stocks. Am I allowed to still think Trump is evil?*

*note. I don't think he's smart enough to be evil. Stupid, racist, narcissistic and a host of other negative qualities. But not consciously evil.
DrafterX Offline
#5 Posted:
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Evil is kinda reserved for Pelosi.. Mellow
dstieger Offline
#6 Posted:
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Pelosi IS smart enough?
cacman Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Stupid, racist, narcissistic and a host of other negative qualities.

You fit that description perfectly. Applause
DrafterX Offline
#8 Posted:
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I still don't get how building a wall to keep out the bad guys equals racist... Mellow
gummy jones Offline
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i know review happened under obamas watch
whatever that means
but i dont place any blame for any of this on obama

we are talking about a novelty range toy here that is likely involved in no crimes (or barely any ever)
other than inaccurately spraying bullets, it offers basically no advantage to normal tactical shooting

that doesnt mean i think they should be banned though

victor809 Offline
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Did the guy who has admitted to trying to avoid black people by moving to elevation just accuse me of being racist?
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I guess with a wide target path it worked, I shot an ar-15 with a “bump stuck” and couldn’t hit chit. That’s why even with full auto weapons the military train at a three round “burst”. Someone can correct me if I’m miss informed.
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Hillary will be around soon to correct you... Mellow
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Plowboy221 wrote:
I guess with a wide target path it worked, I shot an ar-15 with a “bump stuck” and couldn’t hit chit. That’s why even with full auto weapons the military train at a three round “burst”. Someone can correct me if I’m miss informed.



you are correct
tailgater Offline
#14 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
I support the opportunity to keep and use bump stocks. Am I allowed to still think Trump is evil?*

*note. I don't think he's smart enough to be evil. Stupid, racist, narcissistic and a host of other negative qualities. But not consciously evil.


LOL!
You said racist.
What you meant to say was "whatever the media tells me to think".

FIFY


victor809 Offline
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Tail... this president has more public statements and tweets than any other president ever has. One doesn't need the media to tell us what opinion to draw. The information is available and I can draw an opinion of the man the same way any of us draw opinions on each other based on the posts here.

Your claim that the media is telling me how to think when all I need to do is read his tweets, listen to tapes of him speaking or look at video is tiring. You have no idea why I personally think he's a racist. I don't tell you what causes you think the stupid things you think. I just judge you on your stupid statements . Feel free to judge me on what I say but don't tell me why I say it.
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The NRA is an astute mouthpiece for America's gun industry. They are exempt from legal liability for any harm caused by their products, a status no other industry enjoys. Bump stocks are an after market product, not even a blip on the spreadsheets of any NRA manufacturer. Throwing that bone out there and blaming Obama for the scourge deflects attention from the real scrutiny. It'll be a huge PR win for them when a ban on bump stocks happen: appearing to care as good corporate citizens, but ...
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Great news delta. I had no idea.

If a drunk driver kills me and my family make sure my estate sues Toyota. And the department of motor vehicles. And the department of transportation. And the estate of the inventor of the internal combustion engine.
MACS Offline
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If I bash you in the head with a golf club, Al... would you sue the maker of the club?

A Louisville slugger?

A shovel?
rfenst Offline
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MACS wrote:
If I bash you in the head with a golf club, Al... would you sue the maker of the club?

A Louisville slugger?

A shovel?


Depends whether those items have a sticker warning not to strike people in the head with the item.Sarcasm
DrafterX Offline
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When did the NRA start making stuff..?? Huh
Speyside Offline
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Ummmmm, never.
Speyside Offline
#22 Posted:
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Victor, I would also add that I think Trump has a God complex.
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I mean bump stocks aren't chit, auto-firarms aren't chit. Every citizen should not only have the right to own those items but also be encouraged.The citizenry should have every right to own anything that the military uses except for nuclear technologies.
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DrafterX wrote:
When did the NRA start making stuff..?? Huh


lawyer joke
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jjanecka wrote:
I mean bump stocks aren't chit, auto-firarms aren't chit. Every citizen should not only have the right to own those items but also be encouraged.The citizenry should have every right to own anything that the military uses except for nuclear technologies.


It seems sort of arbitrary to draw the line at nukes? Why not nukes if other bombs should be accessible by right?
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jjanecka wrote:
I mean bump stocks aren't chit, auto-firarms aren't chit. Every citizen should not only have the right to own those items but also be encouraged.The citizenry should have every right to own anything that the military uses except for nuclear technologies.




That would be gay... Mellow
TMCTLT Offline
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delta1 wrote:
The NRA is an astute mouthpiece for America's gun industry. They are exempt from legal liability for any harm caused by their products, a status no other industry enjoys. Bump stocks are an after market product, not even a blip on the spreadsheets of any NRA manufacturer. Throwing that bone out there and blaming Obama for the scourge deflects attention from the real scrutiny. It'll be a huge PR win for them when a ban on bump stocks happen: appearing to care as good corporate citizens, but ...



They are....in my opinion a legal arm put in place to keep hysterical people ( and organizations who think WE have no right to them @ all ) from overreacting and trying to remove all firearms from society altogether.
After all that is the end game right? Well that and total registration of ALL guns, rather they be shotguns...deer rifles etc.
I think blaming Obama is perfectly acceptable, after all just one more stroke of his mighty pen...one more EO and he could've ( @ least tried ) to outlaw them.
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delta1 wrote:
The NRA is an astute mouthpiece for America's gun industry. They are exempt from legal liability for any harm caused by their products, a status no other industry enjoys. Bump stocks are an after market product, not even a blip on the spreadsheets of any NRA manufacturer. Throwing that bone out there and blaming Obama for the scourge deflects attention from the real scrutiny. It'll be a huge PR win for them when a ban on bump stocks happen: appearing to care as good corporate citizens, but ...

The NRA doesn't manufacturer bump stocks or firearms. So what would they be liable for? Are you suggesting they be liable for defending a Constitutional Right that you don't agree with?

A driver crashes his car into yours. Who do you sue, the manufacturer of the car, or the driver of the vehicle?

How about the recent knife attacks in England? Would manufacturers of the knives be liable?
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victor809 wrote:
Tail... this president has more public statements and tweets than any other president ever has. One doesn't need the media to tell us what opinion to draw. The information is available and I can draw an opinion of the man the same way any of us draw opinions on each other based on the posts here.

Your claim that the media is telling me how to think when all I need to do is read his tweets, listen to tapes of him speaking or look at video is tiring. You have no idea why I personally think he's a racist. I don't tell you what causes you think the stupid things you think. I just judge you on your stupid statements . Feel free to judge me on what I say but don't tell me why I say it.


But it's so obvious.

For instance: Trump wants to build a wall. We both might think it's a stupid idea. But you think it's racist because MSM told you so.

Trump tells us that illegal immigrants commit crimes. You think he's racist because of MSM. There is no other reason to think that statement is racist. None.

But don't worry.
The influence of the main stream is subtle.
You don't realize it. Just like crazy people don't realize they're crazy.

Or you could state clearly why you think he's racist rather than spew idiotic generalities.
Your call.

tailgater Offline
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delta1 wrote:
The NRA is an astute mouthpiece for America's gun industry. They are exempt from legal liability for any harm caused by their products, a status no other industry enjoys. Bump stocks are an after market product, not even a blip on the spreadsheets of any NRA manufacturer. Throwing that bone out there and blaming Obama for the scourge deflects attention from the real scrutiny. It'll be a huge PR win for them when a ban on bump stocks happen: appearing to care as good corporate citizens, but ...


Sorry.
I keep reading this post to respond, but it appears you purposely made every sentence (after the first one) complete nonsense. I'll assume it was on purpose.

Carry on.

cacman Offline
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Vicki plays the race card more than a hooker plays with c*cks.

or
Vicki plays the race card more than Trump tweets.
DrafterX Offline
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He was born a poor black child... Sad
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cacman wrote:
The NRA doesn't manufacturer bump stocks or firearms. So what would they be liable for? Are you suggesting they be liable for defending a Constitutional Right that you don't agree with?

A driver crashes his car into yours. Who do you sue, the manufacturer of the car, or the driver of the vehicle?

How about the recent knife attacks in England? Would manufacturers of the knives be liable?


I agree Cacman! lets try to see it from the other prospective for a sec by using this type of thought in different scenarios.

My X wife turned out to be a major biatch.... I am going to sue the priest that married us. ThumpUp Applause Applause Applause Party at the church after I take over that trailer park!

I got fat so I am going to sue McDonald's. Dinner at my new restaurant once I win that one!

Man I got drunk the other night and went driving, I hit a car and killed 3 people and a baby but I got a huge bump on my head. I am going to sue Jack Daniels and the car manufacturer because airbags didn't keep me from bumping my head or killing people! Drinks at the Church come Party Night and a free car give away!

Does any of the above even sound like they make any kind of common freaking sense! Oh how about this....

PEOPLE BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR OWN ACTIONS!

The last one just seems to be a more educated type of thought process to me.

To whom ever thinks the NRA should get sued....

See here is the thing, If people act like babies they get treated like babies. The opposite also applies, Treat people like babies, they act like babies. Psychology 1 the **** 01.

and yes I am Pissy today, I am getting fed the hell up with ignorance, stupidity and the just plain out childish BS coming from grown ass adults. To much of this in the freaking world today. Why not become better than most, start thinking like someone that can be respected for having a little freaking wisdom. It is one thing to stir a little crap from time to time for fun but JESUS, people are taking this stuff way to dang far and they are so serious about it. I mean WTF, did mommy and daddy sniff glue and gasoline during pregnancy to cause this kind of brain damage in most adults today.

Sad part is everyday I am losing more and more faith in people. Back in the day, we use to be great or maybe at the time I was just blind, I just do not remember so many people being so freaking stupid or ignorant. I know back then there was stupid people with stupid behavior, stupid Ideas, ect and so on but now it seems like most of the population is now like this. I swear we need to thin out the gene pool or something.

Then ,as a whole, we sit back scratching our heads and asses wondering why did some nut bag flip shit and go postal? To boot we start blaming laws, and things that was or was not passed by a president, we start suggesting it was a racial thing, We start suggesting that we sue or take down a group or demean a group that fights for every ones rights to own a weapon or for equality. When really what I think we are doing is just producing more and more stupid, ignorant, childish nut bags that just might decide he or she has had enough and they go postal.

Just my thoughts on it all, take it as you will.
That's all I am going to say about that!
DrafterX Offline
#34 Posted:
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Shame on you
Don't be blaming da glue... I turned out alright... Mellow
Ewok126 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Shame on you
Don't be blaming da glue... I turned out alright... Mellow




Hahahahahaha, So did I but I was not going to tell folks my mom and dad rolled like that lmaoooo.
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DrafterX wrote:
He was born a poor black child... Sad

You mean he's gonna stay that color?????Anxious
DrafterX Offline
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No.. he did that Michael Jackson thing.. Mellow
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tailgater wrote:
But it's so obvious.

For instance: Trump wants to build a wall. We both might think it's a stupid idea. But you think it's racist because MSM told you so.

Trump tells us that illegal immigrants commit crimes. You think he's racist because of MSM. There is no other reason to think that statement is racist. None.

But don't worry.
The influence of the main stream is subtle.
You don't realize it. Just like crazy people don't realize they're crazy.

Or you could state clearly why you think he's racist rather than spew idiotic generalities.
Your call.



"It's so obvious"... for someone who doesn't think very well.

When trump does or says anything, the information is available for all of us to make a judgement on. We are no longer looking at second or third hand accounts and trusting the media to not put a spin on it. There is video.

You claim its "the influence of the main stream". Are you now blaming the media for letting me know what the president says and tweets? Don't be that dumb. Next you're going to blame a beaten wife for not washing the dishes quickly enough. Your idiot of a president says things and I judge him on it. The only thing the media has to do any longer is provide me a link to his tweet or show his video.

What is more telling about this is that it means you are able to see the same things I see and draw a different conclusion (and more amusingly, blame my conclusion on outside sources). That says something to me about your values.

I do state why I believe he is racist many times in other threads. Don't pretend I haven't provided you with that argument before.
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cacman wrote:
Vicki plays the race card more than a hooker plays with c*cks.

or
Vicki plays the race card more than Trump tweets.



Hey look... a racist idiot.

So... let's start at the beginning. A white dude calling another white dude racist is not "playing the race card"... you moron.
It's calling someone racist. Just claiming I'm playing the race card any time I call a racist person racist is the equivalent of saying "nuh uhh! youre the booger head!" in an argument. You aren't actually arguing against the point, just claiming it can't possibly exist because it's been said too much.... (which in itself is illogical... because a problem or issue has been identified "too often" that makes it less likely to be a problem???... yeah, I'm not driving in a car with you... you probably think the "check engine" light is playing the "oil card" too often)....

And, it is of course hilarious to see you posting on a thread like this...

you claiming I'm just playing "the race card" by calling someone racist is like listening to jeffery dahmer say the police really have been investigating murders way too much... and they probably aren't really happening anywhere.
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nuh uhh! youre the booger head!







Just thought I would go ahead and get that out of my system. ThumpUp
cacman Offline
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Let us be clear here. Race has nothing to do with the original discussion of bump stock's and Obama's involvement.

That was until old Vicki decided to call our prez a racist. Again playing the race card when the discussion doesn't fit his narrative.
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True.. true... Gotta keep telling the lie to make it truth... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
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I heard Victor goes to movies with Pelosi... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
No.. he did that Michael Jackson thing.. Mellow

Overdosed?Not talking
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard Victor goes to movies with Pelosi... Mellow

Dutch treat?Anxious ......who buys the jr. mints?
DrafterX Offline
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He does.. in exchange for fondling her boobs.. or so I heard.. they may take turns... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
No.. he did that Michael Jackson thing.. Mellow



Bought a pet chimp and named it Bubbles jr. then tweeted Bubbles was prejudice against age and therefore a racist because the chimp would only have sex with someone under the age of 13? Anxious Anxious Anxious Anxious
DrafterX Offline
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I heard that too.. Mellow
Ewok126 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard that too.. Mellow


Ahh, I am glad I wasn't the only one.
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cacman wrote:
Let us be clear here. Race has nothing to do with the original discussion of bump stock's and Obama's involvement.

That was until old Vicki decided to call our prez a racist. Again playing the race card when the discussion doesn't fit his narrative.


... and you aren't smart enough to understand that I agreed with the original discussion. Just as you aren't smart enough to understand that calling our cheeto in chief a racist isn't "playing the race card".... It's just stating a state of being. Like saying he's orange. Or saying cacman is a racist.

IF I were to say "Trump doesn't care what happens to puerto rico because they're all brown" that would be playing a race card.

That's much different than just saying "Trump is racist".

I would think someone like you who has so much experience being racist would understand this better....
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