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An exchange between a youth group and a Disgusting Human Being
TMCTLT Offline
#1 Posted:
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Wonder if he'll get fined and drummed out of business? Will he suffer the wrath of Social Justice like the photographers and cake bakers we've seen persecuted for their beliefs?
Will our DOJ get involved or is that only reserved for da HOMO's???


https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/video-gay-coffee-shop-owner-kicks-christians-out-of-his-shop?utm_source=cr-content&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=cr-content-newsletter-default&utm_content=-link-101117-cr-content
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TMCTLT wrote:
Wonder if he'll get fined and drummed out of business? Will he suffer the wrath of Social Justice like the photographers and cake bakers we've seen persecuted for their beliefs?
Will our DOJ get involved or is that only reserved for da HOMO's???


No
No
No
Yes
victor809 Offline
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Will a bunch of idiots whine about this because they're convinced they're being persecuted by "da HOMOs"? Yes.

1 - I find your use of the term "HOMOs"... it's pretty disrespectful to gays, especially coming from a disgusting person like yourself.
2 - Under normal circumstances I would agree with you that refusing to serve people because of their religion is not acceptable. This guy may or may not be in the wrong.
3 - The right wing groups claim this christian group was just innocently sitting there. The left wing groups say they were passing out ant-gay/anti-abortion pamphlets in the coffee shop. If they were in fact doing that, this changes whether he is right or wrong. Given that this group is responsible for spreading anti-gay/anti-abortion pamphlets across seattle (in the form of origami butterflies of all things) in Sept, and was actively handing this crap out immediately prior to entering the coffee shop, it is not that unlikely that they dropped a stack of pamphlets somewhere in his shop or tried handing them out.
4 - This group of christians are disgusting human beings, they link gay rights to abortions because they are azzholes. If you want to side with them as fellow christians you are free to, and depending on the facts of the matter (which neither of us have) I may be inclined to say their rights were violated. However your choice to try to classify them as an innocent "youth group" says more about you than anything else.
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I wasn't sure you could do it, but once again, Victor, you have managed to elude what appears to be a black and white case of religious discrimination and side with the loonies. You ability is unsurpassed and I salute you Sir!!!
victor809 Offline
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burnem2 wrote:
I wasn't sure you could do it, but once again, Victor, you have managed to elude what appears to be a black and white case of religious discrimination and side with the loonies. You ability is unsurpassed and I salute you Sir!!!


1 - .... once again? How often do you imagine we have had a discussion here about religious discrimination?
2 -.... how do you figure it's black and white? If a muslim group were in your store passing out pamphlets depicting aborted fetuses and christian symbols would you consider it to be acceptable to throw them out?
3 - .... do you have trouble reading the words "This guy may or may not be in the wrong"??? Or are you unable to understand their meaning?
delta1 Offline
#6 Posted:
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There was an anti-abortion group that canvassed college and universities throughout SoCal a few years ago. They numbered about 25-30, and all were loud and disruptive. They confronted people, students and staff, with flyers and argued with those who refused their flyers or disagreed with them. They used megaphones and disturbed classes in nearby buildings as they marched from place to place on campus, refusing to stay within the public mall's free speech area. They carried huge posters, about 10 feet tall and 12 feet long, with photos depicting aborted fetuses. They were extremely loud, belligerent and seemed to purposely want to disturb the entire campus.

We were about to arrest them when one of the campus administrators said his organization was aware of this group going from college to college, purposely wanting to be disruptive, drawing large crowds, the police and the media, so that they could be on the news and their message spread to a larger audience. Furthermore, their actual goal was to be arrested and then suing colleges and universities for denying them their 1st Amendment rights. They had prevailed in some preliminary cases.

We reviewed our "free speech" policies and decided that we could only confine them to the public mall. They were restricted from walking throughout the campus. The rest of our policy was lacking, with no prohibition of amplified sounds, no prohibition of large posters and so couldn't be used to justify arresting the group. We let them stay, taking a lot of complaints from staff and students.

They left after about an hour, when students and staff ignored them. We had to revise our free speech policies to be a little more restrictive, but still legal.

What if you were a business owner and you had a customer/some customers who accosted your other customers? Don't you have the right to remove the customer(s) who is disturbing your other guests? The video shows the owner holding some sort of pamphlet/flyer with some photos, and that seems to be the source of his confrontation with the group. Couldn't hear what was said, but the author made it clear that the group was innocent and the owner intolerant and abusive.
TMCTLT Offline
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burnem2 wrote:
I wasn't sure you could do it, but once again, Victor, you have managed to elude what appears to be a black and white case of religious discrimination and side with the loonies. You ability is unsurpassed and I salute you Sir!!!



He's consistent you have to give him that....
TMCTLT Offline
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delta1 wrote:
There was an anti-abortion group that canvassed college and universities throughout SoCal a few years ago. They numbered about 25-30, and all were loud and disruptive. They confronted people, students and staff, with flyers and argued with those who refused their flyers or disagreed with them. They used megaphones and disturbed classes in nearby buildings as they marched from place to place on campus, refusing to stay within the public mall's free speech area. They carried huge posters, about 10 feet tall and 12 feet long, with photos depicting aborted fetuses. They were extremely loud, belligerent and seemed to purposely want to disturb the entire campus.

We were about to arrest them when one of the campus administrators said his organization was aware of this group going from college to college, purposely wanting to be disruptive, drawing large crowds, the police and the media, so that they could be on the news and their message spread to a larger audience. Furthermore, their actual goal was to be arrested and then suing colleges and universities for denying them their 1st Amendment rights. They had prevailed in some preliminary cases.

We reviewed our "free speech" policies and decided that we could only confine them to the public mall. They were restricted from walking throughout the campus. The rest of our policy was lacking, with no prohibition of amplified sounds, no prohibition of large posters and so couldn't be used to justify arresting the group. We let them stay, taking a lot of complaints from staff and students.

They left after about an hour, when students and staff ignored them. We had to revise our free speech policies to be a little more restrictive, but still legal.

What if you were a business owner and you had a customer/some customers who accosted your other customers? Don't you have the right to remove the customer(s) who is disturbing your other guests? The video shows the owner holding some sort of pamphlet/flyer with some photos, and that seems to be the source of his confrontation with the group. Couldn't hear what was said, but the author made it clear that the group was innocent and the owner intolerant and abusive.


You can " what if " all day long to support your viewpoint. And that was on a college campus....this to my knowledge was NOT. Too many of these college campuses determine their tolerance based on the message being put forth and their politics regarding same and if they don't agree with it then they try to sensor or not allow certain speakers. That coffee shop owner is one disgusting excuse for a fellow human being and was out of bounds.
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victor809 wrote:
1 - .... once again? How often do you imagine we have had a discussion here about religious discrimination?
2 -.... how do you figure it's black and white? If a muslim group were in your store passing out pamphlets depicting aborted fetuses and christian symbols would you consider it to be acceptable to throw them out?
3 - .... do you have trouble reading the words "This guy may or may not be in the wrong"??? Or are you unable to understand their meaning?


There's no proof they were passing out pamphlets in his shop, it is said one of his fellow coffee pourers brought one to him.
What would him / her being Muslim have to do with anything?
Is this fictional Muslim also saying he'd love to f*ck Mohammad in the a s s?
Because I don't care WHO says something like that to a " customer ".....they have no right being in business.
IMHO there is NO defense for this guys behavior.
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TMCTLT wrote:
There's no proof they were passing out pamphlets in his shop, it is said one of his fellow coffee pourers brought one to him.
What would him / her being Muslim have to do with anything?
Is this fictional Muslim also saying he'd love to f*ck Mohammad in the a s s?
Because I don't care WHO says something like that to a " customer ".....they have no right being in business.
IMHO there is NO defense for this guys behavior.



He claimed they were passing it out in his shop. They claim they weren't. I stated very clearly that at this point we do not know and would change who is right or wrong. I of course stated this in english, so it was challenging for you to understand.

The muslim example was simply an identical example of what the coffee shop owner claimed happened. Again, I apologize for writing this in english, which doesn't appear to be a language you are familiar with, at least in writing.

What he says or doesn't say to a customer is irrelevant. There is no law stating one has to be polite as a business owner. Your opinions of his conduct/behavior are kind of irrelevant. The pertinent question is whether he is required to serve them.
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I do agree with Vic to a certain extent. It is kinda wrong to barge into a gay man's shop and pass out anti-gay pamphlets.

Eventhough the man is a clear and blatant homosexual he still has the right to run his business in peace. Having that kind of attitude that the group had isn't going to help Evangelize or further the cause of Christianity one iota.

This is exactly the problem that I have with fringe Christian groups and relativism within Christianity. If we could all have one concise doctrine and understand that people still have to tolerate other people and treat other people with charity, undeniable respect, and dignity we wouldn't have any of these kinds of problems.
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The side question is what were these azzholes doing in the coffee shop in the first place?

They spend the day littering the street with pamphlets saying gays are responsible for abortion and dead children.... then they go into a coffee shop with a big rainbow flag over the front door?

These disgusting little twerps were probably hoping something like this would happen.... so the video can be published all over the right wing blogs.... and people like tcby eat it up. "Poor little christian youths! just parched after a day of spreading the message of christ! Evilly yelled at for no reason whatsoever!"

I'm gonna hold all my outrage until I find out whether these "innocent church youths" were really only passing their disgusting sh#t out away from his place of business.
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By the tone of your reply, you've already determined the kids were passing out pamphlets in his shop. No need to cloud your mind with facts like whether or not it's true. You side with a foul-mouthed kacksuccer and that's the end of it.
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origami butterflies....

tasteful touch!

Beer
victor809 Offline
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"tone of my reply"? I'm surprised you could get tone out of my sentences when you've had so much trouble with actual words up to now.

Do I think the little sh#ts were disgusting human beings? Yes.
But unlike you (apparently) I don't automatically link "disgusting human being" with "being in the wrong". They could be both disgusting little sh$ts and be right. But I'm gonna wait and see first.
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It seems some of us have lowered or abandoned our level of tolerance and view those with opposing viewpoints as despicable and deserving of hate. Have we evolved into a country where "If you say something or behave in a way I disagree with, I hate you?" Has that attitude become so commonplace that we are unable or unwilling to live in peace with all?


Have we lost our desire to accept the basic American ideal that ALL men are created equal? Was there ever a time when that ideal was valued by most Americans?
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Victor won't stand by me... Sad
delta1 Offline
#18 Posted:
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If you wear something nice and splash a little musky fragrance on, he might stand behind you...
delta1 Offline
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sigh....I'm sorry.....................to both you and victor...

I think we'd each stand by one another, and with one another, to have a drink and a smoke in friendship...we seem to be congenial fellows at our core.
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Yeah I could see the majority of the people here not bringing up any of the crap we post on the forum or being MUCH more toned down in real life so as to be respectful and curteous of others.
DrafterX Offline
#21 Posted:
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Yep.. it's called a Herf..!! Herfing
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victor809 wrote:
Will a bunch of idiots whine about this because they're convinced they're being persecuted by "da HOMOs"? Yes.

1 - I find your use of the term "HOMOs"... it's pretty disrespectful to gays,


At one time Homosexual was ok. Homo is short, kinda like xmas is short for Christmas.
At one point it was homosexuals called themselves queers, its now taboo kinda like the N word.

I'm sure at some point gay will become pejorative. Nothing new....
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delta1 wrote:
There was an anti-abortion group that canvassed college and universities throughout SoCal a few years ago. They numbered about 25-30, and all were loud and disruptive. They confronted people, students and staff, with flyers and argued with those who refused their flyers or disagreed with them. They used megaphones and disturbed classes in nearby buildings as they marched from place to place on campus, refusing to stay within the public mall's free speech area. They carried huge posters, about 10 feet tall and 12 feet long, with photos depicting aborted fetuses. They were extremely loud, belligerent and seemed to purposely want to disturb the entire campus.



Yep, seems the far left reads the same strategy book.
TMCTLT Offline
#24 Posted:
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jjanecka wrote:
I do agree with Vic to a certain extent. It is kinda wrong to barge into a gay man's shop and pass out anti-gay pamphlets.

Eventhough the man is a clear and blatant homosexual he still has the right to run his business in peace. Having that kind of attitude that the group had isn't going to help Evangelize or further the cause of Christianity one iota.

This is exactly the problem that I have with fringe Christian groups and relativism within Christianity. If we could all have one concise doctrine and understand that people still have to tolerate other people and treat other people with charity, undeniable respect, and dignity we wouldn't have any of these kinds of problems.



You too are assuming the cretans claim as to exactly what took place is correct.
I'm curious, based on this video....what kind of " attitude " were they conveying????
It was very clear based solely on this video that the creatan fudge-packer was the one disparaging them.
I'm using these terms because that's apparently the preferred vocabulary by Vicki and the cretan in the video who seem just enamored and infatuated with f*cking men in the ass. ( more for shock value than anything else )


Definition of cretin
1 often offensive :one afflicted with cretinism
2 :a stupid, vulgar, or insensitive person :clod, lout



victor809 Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
At one time Homosexual was ok. Homo is short, kinda like xmas is short for Christmas.
At one point it was homosexuals called themselves queers, its now taboo kinda like the N word.

I'm sure at some point gay will become pejorative. Nothing new....


I know it's a bit of a mess these days Anthony... and I don't think it's actually trending the direction you think it is (incidentally, queer isn't bad any more... it's been redefined and used by individuals who don't want to pigeonhole themselves. I've met a number of people who just refer to themselves as "queer" which can be anything along the spectrum. And apparently some individuals who don't want to identify as transgender necessarily use the term "gender queer"... but that's an aside)

When a disgusting hate filled individual like TCBY decides to keyboard-shout the word "homo" there's not a whole lot of misunderstanding that he intends it as a slur. Homo is one of those words that has always been used against gays, the same way f***t has (I think cbid censors that one) ... There aren't a whole lot of uses I've ever seen of the term which aren't trying to be insulting to homosexuals.
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That's why I always refer to them as gay-homos... Gotta try to be politically correct at least.. Mellow
RMAN4443 Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Will a bunch of idiots whine about this because they're convinced they're being persecuted by "da HOMOs"? Yes.

1 - I find your use of the term "HOMOs"... it's pretty disrespectful to gays, especially coming from a disgusting person like yourself.
2 - Under normal circumstances I would agree with you that refusing to serve people because of their religion is not acceptable. This guy may or may not be in the wrong.
3 - The right wing groups claim this christian group was just innocently sitting there. The left wing groups say they were passing out ant-gay/anti-abortion pamphlets in the coffee shop. If they were in fact doing that, this changes whether he is right or wrong. Given that this group is responsible for spreading anti-gay/anti-abortion pamphlets across seattle (in the form of origami butterflies of all things) in Sept, and was actively handing this crap out immediately prior to entering the coffee shop, it is not that unlikely that they dropped a stack of pamphlets somewhere in his shop or tried handing them out.
4 - This group of christians are disgusting human beings, they link gay rights to abortions because they are azzholes. If you want to side with them as fellow christians you are free to, and depending on the facts of the matter (which neither of us have) I may be inclined to say their rights were violated. However your choice to try to classify them as an innocent "youth group" says more about you than anything else.

I was in the grocery store the other day to pick up milk.........in the milk section there was 50-60 milk jugs in the cooler,and on the cap of each milk jug was stamped in capital letters "HOMO"........is that some sort of code or something?
I live in a rural farm area,so they also have fresh from the cow (raw)milk.On the front of each bottle there is a label that is marked in small print that states non-homo,non gmo,non pasteurized Think It's gotta be a code or some kinda password maybe
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TMCTLT wrote:
You too are assuming the cretans claim as to exactly what took place is correct.
I'm curious, based on this video....what kind of " attitude " were they conveying????
It was very clear based solely on this video that the creatan fudge-packer was the one disparaging them.
I'm using these terms because that's apparently the preferred vocabulary by Vicki and the cretan in the video who seem just enamored and infatuated with f*cking men in the ass. ( more for shock value than anything else )


Definition of cretin
1 often offensive :one afflicted with cretinism
2 :a stupid, vulgar, or insensitive person :clod, lout





There's something hilarious in reading your post... and seeing the word cretin misspelled over and over and over again... until you get to the point where you copied and pasted the dictionary definition.... there you spelled it correctly. But you didn't care enough to go back and fix the multiple misspellings throughout your post. I know this place isn't a spelling contest, and I don't generally criticize you on your spelling (note I said nothing in other posts where you misspelled cretin.... well, until now)... but there's something really amazing about this post. I mean, you had to have seen the correct spelling. Did you not care about the rest of the usage of the word in your post? It's a focal word in your little post... but you didn't care about it enough to go correct it. Maybe you didn't notice the different spelling in the dictionary? But then how did you find the word. It's fascinating....

Anyway... To the meat of your little poorly contrived argument.
I assume nothing. I stated both sides had conflicting statements. You state that one side is right and the other is wrong (with no more information than I have). Now... which one of us is assuming that a cretin's claim is exactly what took place? That's right... you.

Then you go on with a bunch of dumb slurs. Because you're a hate filled disgusting little creature.
victor809 Offline
#29 Posted:
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RMAN4443 wrote:
I was in the grocery store the other day to pick up milk.........in the milk section there was 50-60 milk jugs in the cooler,and on the cap of each milk jug was stamped in capital letters "HOMO"........is that some sort of code or something?
I live in a rural farm area,so they also have fresh from the cow (raw)milk.On the front of each bottle there is a label that is marked in small print that states non-homo,non gmo,non pasteurized Think It's gotta be a code or some kinda password maybe



Ok... that made me laugh....


but in all seriousness... it means you're gonna be gay if you drink it.
victor809 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
That's why I always refer to them as gay-homos... Gotta try to be politically correct at least.. Mellow


And I told you a long time ago that I found your choice to use that term a bit pretty disgusting....
RMAN4443 Offline
#31 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Ok... that made me laugh....


but in all seriousness... it means you're gonna be gay if you drink it.

Damn,I knew it.......I knew it and I drank it anyway..........How long before it takes effect?I don't feel any different.Will I be able to tell when it happens?Will other people be able to tell?Will my voice change?I'm so stupid,I knew I shouldn't drink it,but I did......in the words of Nancy Kerrigan,"Whhhhhhhhhyyyyyy,Whhhhhhhhyyyyyy meeeee?!?!?!Oh crap I think it's happening......I'm standing here getting all pissy with my hand on my hip and shaking my finger at the puter......oh no,Magum P.I. is on tv,and Tom Selleck looks really good in those short shorts he wears. Oh no,I wish I never drank it,is there an antidote or does it wear off?Brick wall
victor809 Offline
#32 Posted:
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TW has always advertised an antidote...

Says you have to do some milking to get it.... i dunno....
TMCTLT Offline
#33 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
There's something hilarious in reading your post... and seeing the word cretin misspelled over and over and over again... until you get to the point where you copied and pasted the dictionary definition.... there you spelled it correctly. But you didn't care enough to go back and fix the multiple misspellings throughout your post. I know this place isn't a spelling contest, and I don't generally criticize you on your spelling (note I said nothing in other posts where you misspelled cretin.... well, until now)... but there's something really amazing about this post. I mean, you had to have seen the correct spelling. Did you not care about the rest of the usage of the word in your post? It's a focal word in your little post... but you didn't care about it enough to go correct it. Maybe you didn't notice the different spelling in the dictionary? But then how did you find the word. It's fascinating....

Anyway... To the meat of your little poorly contrived argument.
I assume nothing. I stated both sides had conflicting statements. You state that one side is right and the other is wrong (with no more information than I have). Now... which one of us is assuming that a cretin's claim is exactly what took place? That's right... you.

Then you go on with a bunch of dumb slurs. Because you're a hate filled disgusting little creature.



Goddam your a windy sumbiotch....so F'n sue me for my spelling oversight!!! And no I didn't care enough to go back and change the spelling, yet you knew exactly who and what I was referring to. blah blah blah

You immediately questioned the video ( with out looking @ it or providing a contradictory video showing otherwise ) Look your atheism is always on full display and I don't call you an asswhole for being one, but that doesn't stop you from acting like one.
What a degenerate that shop owner is.
tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
And I told you a long time ago that I found your choice to use that term a bit pretty disgusting....


Yet you use the term "racist" freely.




DrafterX Offline
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I tried to talk to him about that but he didn't listen... Mellow
tailgater Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I tried to talk to him about that but he didn't listen... Mellow


pardon me if I don't appear shocked.

DrafterX Offline
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Laugh
tailgater Offline
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TMCTLT wrote:
Goddam your a windy sumbiotch....so F'n sue me for my spelling oversight!!! And no I didn't care enough to go back and change the spelling, yet you knew exactly who and what I was referring to. blah blah blah

You immediately questioned the video ( with out looking @ it or providing a contradictory video showing otherwise ) Look your atheism is always on full display and I don't call you an asswhole for being one, but that doesn't stop you from acting like one.
What a degenerate that shop owner is.


On a scale from 1 to 10, Spinal Tap's Nigel Tufnel gives this post an 11.
Herfing




victor809 Offline
#39 Posted:
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TMCTLT wrote:
Goddam your a windy sumbiotch....so F'n sue me for my spelling oversight!!! And no I didn't care enough to go back and change the spelling, yet you knew exactly who and what I was referring to. blah blah blah

You immediately questioned the video ( with out looking @ it or providing a contradictory video showing otherwise ) Look your atheism is always on full display and I don't call you an asswhole for being one, but that doesn't stop you from acting like one.
What a degenerate that shop owner is.



I wasn't criticizing your spelling. I was pondering what it meant that you had found the correct spelling, yet didn't seem to care or know... It was more navel gazing than anything else, and not pertinent to the discussion.

I immediately questioned the video because you posted it. You do not exactly have a good track record of posting non-partisan information. Additionally, as I read the post on my phone, where one cannot click links from this site, I had to do searches to even find the original story. Amazingly enough, my searches also provided a second side to the story. Unlike you, I usually read both sides, because if something fits your preconceived notions too well, it's likely to have been altered a little. In this particular case, we don't know which side (or both) is giving an incorrect account of the situation. You clearly don't think there's any chance the coffee shop owner could have been reacting to anything other than blind hatred for people who are christians. You also don't think there any chance that a group which was just moments earlier passing out fliers graphically equating gays to abortions could possibly have any reason to go into a coffee shop with a rainbow flag all over it's door other than to buy a latte.

I would say you're the one who chose to believe a partisan video without bothering to look for more information first.
tailgater Offline
#40 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
I wasn't criticizing your spelling. I was pondering what it meant that you had found the correct spelling, yet didn't seem to care or know... It was more navel gazing than anything else, and not pertinent to the discussion.

I immediately questioned the video because you posted it. You do not exactly have a good track record of posting non-partisan information. Additionally, as I read the post on my phone, where one cannot click links from this site, I had to do searches to even find the original story. Amazingly enough, my searches also provided a second side to the story. Unlike you, I usually read both sides, because if something fits your preconceived notions too well, it's likely to have been altered a little. In this particular case, we don't know which side (or both) is giving an incorrect account of the situation. You clearly don't think there's any chance the coffee shop owner could have been reacting to anything other than blind hatred for people who are christians. You also don't think there any chance that a group which was just moments earlier passing out fliers graphically equating gays to abortions could possibly have any reason to go into a coffee shop with a rainbow flag all over it's door other than to buy a latte.

I would say you're the one who chose to believe a partisan video without bothering to look for more information first.


Funny how that works.

Gay-homo shpo owner spews vile outburst on video and you have to be sherlock to find it on the interwebs.

No news bias there.

It's funny how people like you don't see how obvious the slant is.






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#41 Posted:
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As someone with a conservative viewpoint I understand your point and agree with you Victor.

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#42 Posted:
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Did you ever stop to think that if the shpo owner wasn't gay-homo this would have never happened... Mellow
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#43 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
I wasn't criticizing your spelling. I was pondering what it meant that you had found the correct spelling, yet didn't seem to care or know... It was more navel gazing than anything else, and not pertinent to the discussion.

I immediately questioned the video because you posted it. And I disagree with everything you say. You do not exactly have a good track record of posting non-partisan information. Dude your so over the top in the bag for the **** your ALWAYS showing your bias.Additionally, as I read the post on my phone, where one cannot click links from this site, I had to do searches to even find the original story. Amazingly enough, after searching endlessly my searches also provided a second side to the story. Unlike you, I usually read both sides, ( that's bullsh*t right there )because if something fits your preconceived notions too well, it's likely to have been altered a little. I have never altered anything but please....go onIn this particular case, we don't know which side (or both) is giving an incorrect account of the situation. You clearly don't think there's any chance the coffee shop owner could have been reacting to anything other than blind hatred for people who are christians. ( You got me there )
You also don't think there any chance that a group which was just moments earlier passing out fliers graphically equating gays to abortions could possibly have any reason to go into a coffee shop with a rainbow flag all over it's door other than to buy a latte.

I would say you're the one who chose to believe a partisan video without bothering to look for more information first.




Just Relax wrote:
As someone with a conservative viewpoint I understand your point and agree with you Victor.




How nice...even though even HE admits he doesn't REALLY know EXACTLY what went down.
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#44 Posted:
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Correct. We don't know what happened. It is plausible that they went in looking for trouble. I find it hard to believe he would kick them out unless they let their intentions known or at a minimum saw their actions on the street, which as a Christian is in my opinion the wrong way to evangelize.
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#45 Posted:
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.... did you just tell me it's bullsh÷t that I read both sides when I just literally told you the difference between the right and the left articles TCBY?

I don't think you even have a passing desire to be right half the time.
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#46 Posted:
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LMAO! Paul is always right, though sometimes he may not be correct.
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#47 Posted:
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A couple things.
1. The shop owner should have the right to refuse service under certain circumstance. In this case, the protesters were distributing material that he found offensive. There is no evidence that they distributed it in his shop, so they should have refused to serve rather than take their money and tell them to leave. But it's a private shop and if he wants to be a hater, like the baker in CO, then so be it.

2. The shop owner deserves to lose his business. He is a vile and disgusting and hateful person. He disagrees with the protesters message so he purposely was as vile and offensive as he could be. He has ZERO tolerance for anyone who has different beliefs.

3. Anyone who thinks what he did was justified is a pathetic loser. The pamphlets were inappropriate, depending on how they were distributed. But they were not "anti-gay". They were anti-abortion. And using a rainbow flag to show that "pride" and "tolerance" are just a facade is entirely accurate, as proven by the video.

There are indeed two sides. One suggests the owner hates Christians indiscriminately and is intlerant. The other he doesn't hate Christians and is intolerant.



Of course the protesters are also intolerant. But the comparison ends there.
Speyside Offline
#48 Posted:
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His rant was offensive. That he didn't want them in his store isn't. If his shop was in my town I would never buy coffee there again. Then again I would never buy again from the bakery that refused to bake for the gay couple, if it was in my town.
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#49 Posted:
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So you guys are arguing about a homo throwing a few bible belters out of his coffee shop?

WGAF?

Just like the cake baker... lol...

I know I don't GAF :D

Let the consumers decide their fate.
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#50 Posted:
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Is this group like the westboro folks?
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