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The 'Touchback'
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During his campaign, Trump said over and over that he wanted to find a way for most illegal immigrants to secure legal status. The “bad ones” had to go, Trump said, but the “good ones” would be allowed to leave and then return in an “expedited” fashion. In a 2015 interview with CNN, Trump said, “I would get people out and then have an expedited way of getting them back into the country so they can be legal. . . . I want to move ’em out, and we’re going to move ’em back in and let them be legal. . . . I actually have a big heart. Something that nobody knows.”


As I have pointed out, this is a policy called “touchback,” which was proposed in 2007 by Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Tex.). Under Hutchison’s plan, illegal immigrants who had not committed crimes would return to their home countries and obtain a special “Z visa” that would allow them to reenter the United States and work here indefinitely. Her amendment lost narrowly, 53 to 45, but it received votes from five Democrats — including Claire McCaskill (Mo.) and Jon Tester (Mont.), two senators up for reelection next year in states Trump won by double digits. Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R.-S.C.), an immigration reform proponent, had his own versionof touchback, too.

The New York Times editorial page declared at the time that “if a touchback provision is manageable and reassures people that illegal immigrants are indeed going to the back of the line, then it will be defensible.” And a 2007 poll of illegal immigrants found that 63 percent said they would voluntarily go home under a touchback law that allowed them to return with legal status.

So if Democrats are smart, they will offer Trump this deal: He can have his wall and the other border security measures on his list, in exchange for a touchback plan he has already endorsed.

In politics, this is called a win-win: Trump gets to build his “big, beautiful wall” and claim that he got Democrats to back down and approve it. Democrats get their long-held goal of permanent legal status for all non-criminal illegal immigrants currently in the country.

Trump could hardly say no to such an offer: After all, touchback was his idea. He campaigned on it. How can you turn down an offer that gives you virtually everything you asked for?

And what would the Democrats have to concede? They would have to let Trump build his wall. So what? There’s nothing inherently wrong with a border wall. In 2006, Schumer, then-Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, and 23 other Senate Democrats voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006, which required the Department of Homeland Security to build two layers of reinforced fencing along 700 miles of the U.S.-Mexico border. Democrats are dug in against a wall today only because Trump wants it. Are Democrats so determined to deny Trump a victory that they would refuse to trade a wall in exchange for permanent legal status for nearly 11 million people?

There would be many difficult details to hammer out in such a deal. But if Trump gets his wall, I suspect much of the rest of his list is negotiable.


Film at 11.... Think
Brewha Offline
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This got me thinking......

What if we got Mexico to pay for the wall?
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They've already started... Mellow
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You're going to da Herf right..?? Herfing
MACS Offline
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Brewha wrote:
This got me thinking......

What if we got Mexico to pay for the wall?


What if we quit allowing them to build our vehicles?

You're pretty narrow minded, ain'tcha?
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If Trump thinks it's automatically bad... Mellow
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Personally on the Touchback thing I'm still not sure... there's a lot of other immigrants trying to enter the country the 'right' way and this isn't exactly fair to them... but a the same time this is a good way to document who's here... No voting rights tho.. Not talking
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DrafterX wrote:
You're going to da Herf right..?? Herfing

Rodger that - the mrs is a maybe...
DrafterX Offline
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Sweet..!! I'll look for the guy in the MAGA hat..!! Laugh
Brewha Offline
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MACS wrote:
What if we quit allowing them to build our vehicles?

You're pretty narrow minded, ain'tcha?

Too much coffee MACS?

It was a shot at Lord Cheeto.

And what in hell's half acre does us building a wall have to do with Mexico building cars.
Oh, and they don't make Infiniti.
Or Caddies.....
Brewha Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Sweet..!! I'll look for the guy in the MAGA hat..!! Laugh

Nah - we're all friends. No reason to hide your intelligence.

Herfing
MACS Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Too much coffee MACS?

It was a shot at Lord Cheeto.

And what in hell's half acre does us building a wall have to do with Mexico building cars.
Oh, and they don't make Infiniti.
Or Caddies.....


NAFTA. There are more ways for them to "pay" for the wall than by writing us a check.
Brewha Offline
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MACS wrote:
NAFTA. There are more ways for them to "pay" for the wall than by writing us a check.

But wouldn't you rather have a strong leader who could get Mexico to pay for it directly? So they acknowledge for the world the wrong they do my sending their rapists and thieves over the boarder?

Why, such a man might even make America great again.
whatever that means....
bs_kwaj Offline
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I thought the seized assets from the drug dudes was gonna pay for it all....

Beer
DrafterX Offline
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I'm sure El Guapo has contributed.. plus we don't have as many crossing the border these days that we have to give welfare and stuff.. so that saves money too... Mellow
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