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Opiate State of Emergency????
dstieger Offline
#1 Posted:
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This just pisses me way the **** off. What might be the point of declaring it anything? Except as an excuse to throw my money at it. **** that.

*I will disclaim that I am none too sympathetic to addicts...I only buy the 'sickness' thing in very limited cases...IMO, that means that a LOT of people get to blame their pathetic weakness on biology or some ****...I know that isn't the general common empathetic theme, but as someone with his own weakness demons in the closet, I figure I'm gonna call out others*

So, maybe I'm just not ever going to be mainstream understanding and ****...

But, to my mind, this news along with all the health care crap the last few years....it just pisses me off. Don't even try to tell me that the insurance industry, big pharma and the rest of our health care 'system' that needs government supplements and other help....don't fn tell me that they aren't the ones largely responsible for any opiate epidemic. **** 'em...make pharma, and the insurance companies and the docs writing all the bogus scrips foot the bill...not the taxpayers....how is this my responsibility?
victor809 Offline
#2 Posted:
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Yeah... I get paid well by a company that manufactures oxy...

Screw that state of emergency crap. Keep the addicts well fed and me paid.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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dstieger wrote:
make pharma, and the insurance companies and the docs writing all the bogus scrips foot the bill...not the taxpayers....how is this my responsibility?



F*ck YEAH!

I don't like Billy Joel...but..."We didn't start the fire!"
Krazeehorse Offline
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Not to sound cold and uncaring but maybe if they started letting OD's check out some of the others might get scared straight. Not much incentive to modify a behavior if there's not a significant negative consequence.
dstieger Offline
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And while I'm all outraged at pharma...here's another thing

Why why why all the commercials on tv for prescription drugs???? How the **** can this be a good thing? I'm going to go way against my Libertarian leanings and say that I'd be perfectly happy with a law taking that crap off tv.

What's wrong with a model that has doctors getting themselves educated about drugs....and then prescribing them safely and appropriately??? How is the world a healthier or safer place if I go to my doctor and say "write me a script for Viberzi, because I had the sh|ts yesterday and that ridiculous redhead in the leotard said I need Viberzi"

Internet aided self-diagnosis is bad enough....now we also get to bug our doctor for all kinds of crap because every commercial on tv from 5 to 8 PM is for some drug that I didn't know I needed...get 'em off my tv
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#6 Posted:
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It's all bogus.. they added heroin and fentanyl users to make the numbers look better.. heard some old whore on the radio the other day freaking out cause a doctor gave her 20 year old daughter 30 pills.. she was convinced if her daughter took them she would be looking for and shooting up heroin... Drama queens.. all of them.. Mellow
Just Relax Offline
#7 Posted:
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The last South Park episode had this as the topic.

Let's not forget that weed is the real dangerous gateway drug...
jjanecka Offline
#8 Posted:
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Weed is the worst man, you pretty much stop giving a chit about everything and it can permanently give you emotional/brain damage.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#9 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
And while I'm all outraged at pharma...here's another thing

Why why why all the commercials on tv for prescription drugs???? How the **** can this be a good thing? I'm going to go way against my Libertarian leanings and say that I'd be perfectly happy with a law taking that crap off tv.

What's wrong with a model that has doctors getting themselves educated about drugs....and then prescribing them safely and appropriately??? How is the world a healthier or safer place if I go to my doctor and say "write me a script for Viberzi, because I had the sh|ts yesterday and that ridiculous redhead in the leotard said I need Viberzi"

Internet aided self-diagnosis is bad enough....now we also get to bug our doctor for all kinds of crap because every commercial on tv from 5 to 8 PM is for some drug that I didn't know I needed...get 'em off my tv



I say take 'em off the air for another reason! They aren't tested very well! When a drug say for "dry eyes" goes on to extol the virtues of using their drug on a daily regimen and then go on for the next 2 minutes detailing all the "side effects"...yeah...ya'll need to go back to the lab and tighten that up a bit. If I'm going to take something for "dry eyes" and all of a sudden I have acute vomiting, ulcers, cancerous tumors, rectal bleeding, itchy feet, running nose, severe diarrhea, ringing in the ears, splotchy patches of skin, high blood pressure, persistent urination, hangnails and an erection that's lasting more than 4 hours I have to deduce that you're not diagnosing the issue and setting up people for even more medicines!
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Just Relax wrote:
weed is the real dangerous gateway drug...


RIP Wheel
tailgater Offline
#11 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
It's all bogus.. they added heroin and fentanyl users to make the numbers look better.. heard some old whore on the radio the other day freaking out cause a doctor gave her 20 year old daughter 30 pills.. she was convinced if her daughter took them she would be looking for and shooting up heroin... Drama queens.. all of them.. Mellow


Uhmmm, those ARE opiods.


DrafterX Offline
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True but not prescribed.. they're going after doctors that have nothing to do with street drugs.. Mellow
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jjanecka wrote:
Weed is the worst man, you pretty much stop giving a chit about everything and it can permanently give you emotional/brain damage.

That's not true..........awwww fusk it,I just don't give a chit, I'm gonna go have a brownie and a glass of milk and a good cryUnsure
MACS Offline
#14 Posted:
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A bit of personal responsibility is called for. Drugs are bad. 98.2% of our population knows they're bad, and some retards choose to ingest or inject them anyway.

My sympathy meter for dopers is pegged at zero.
deadeyedick Offline
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IIRC the largest increase in opioids deaths in among the 55+ age group. Maybe these aren't accidents.
cacman Offline
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What's even more hypocritical is our local guberment wants to add further taxes to Mj to provide funding to the local federally funded health care business so they can provide addiction treatment for the opioid epidemic the federally funded health care businesses, insurance agencies, and big Pharma helped to create.The federal guberment considers MJ as bad as heroin, but doesn't have a problem with health care business collecting tax dollars from the sale of MJ to fund treatment of heroin. Meanwhile MJ has shown significant results in helping treat the withdrawal symptoms from heroin. But sine Big Pharma and its lobbyist are against legalizing MJ, consumers are stuck in a quagmire regardless of what the State law is. These additional local taxes would also result in MJ being taxed more than tobacco in CO. Health care hypocrisy at its best.

Of course princess Vicki would be proud of his participation in the creation of this epidemic. Many of the homeless people he assaults and complains about he helped put onto the street with the drug he helped to create/manufacture. Well done, ya f*ckin putz!
victor809 Offline
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What's your point short bus?
You want me to be sympathetic to the addicts? You want pharma companies to stop producing a product which revolutiinized medicine?

Dude... you're always so concerned about the homeless whenever you have to argue with me. Wonder if you give a rats azz any other time.
cacman Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Dude... you're always so concerned about the homeless whenever you have to argue with me. Wonder if you give a rats azz any other time.


Princess Vicki... you're always so concerned about the blacks whenever you have to argue with me. Wonder if you give a rats azz any other time.

I doubt it! It's your crutch and excuse to attack people. It's what makes you feel better about yourself. I mean other than attacking the homeless people you help put on the street with your toxic crap.
victor809 Offline
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Oh I'll make fun of racists any day of the week.... doesn't matter if it's you or any other racist who feels so afraid of the blacks they'll move to higher elevation out of some poorly understood concept of how many have sickle cell...


You just happen to be the most racisty I see...
victor809 Offline
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... and before you get around to whining about it... yes I'll help manufacture opioids any day... are you suggesting the pharma companies should stop making what is arguably a life saving drug?

Why do you hate science, freedom and america?
cacman Offline
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This is a pretty disturbing segment that reveals the health care business', insurance companies', and Big Pharm's participation in the creation of the opioid epidemic we have today.

Watch the entire episode: Bryan Christy on America's Opioid Epidemic
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/explorer/videos/bryan-christy-on-americas-opioid-epidemic/

Only princess Vicki would find it acceptable to manufacture enough Oxy for every person on the planet to have a months supply, while they keep producing more, then stand back and not accept any responsibility from the result of their actions.

Not that the addiction to Prescript meds and opioids are anything new. But the epidemic did explode during Obama's watch. One could say the epidemic is a result from Obamacare. You want guberment controlled health care, then don't be surprised by a guberment created drug epidemic created with the assistance from insurance companies and big Pharma. They make money getting you addicted, and make money treating your addiction. Now big Pharma wants to expand its distribution world wide.

As princess Vicki said himself, he wants more users/addicts. It makes him money.
bgz Offline
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I didn't know vic was a drug dealer.

I know people who got bit by the opiates, but I don't think there needs to be a "war" on it. I get weary anytime someone declares war on something, it's almost always a money grab on somebody's part.

If Trump can get taxes cut for pass through income and capital gains, I will be a happy camper and won't give a chit about his war on opiates.

I care more about my wallet than victor's, lol.

victor809 Offline
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bgz wrote:
I didn't know vic was a drug dealer.


I'm not. I work on the validation side. But I am smart enough to understand that the more drugs the companies who pay for my services make, the more money I can charge them. Someone's inability to resist abusing what actually is a very important medication is not my problem.
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I care more about my wallet than victor's, lol.


I'm gonna remember that at christmas time... ****!
victor809 Offline
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cacman wrote:

Only princess Vicki would find it acceptable to manufacture enough Oxy for every person on the planet to have a months supply, while they keep producing more, then stand back and not accept any responsibility from the result of their actions.

Not that the addiction to Prescript meds and opioids are anything new. But the epidemic did explode during Obama's watch. One could say the epidemic is a result from Obamacare. You want guberment controlled health care, then don't be surprised by a guberment created drug epidemic created with the assistance from insurance companies and big Pharma. They make money getting you addicted, and make money treating your addiction. Now big Pharma wants to expand its distribution world wide.

As princess Vicki said himself, he wants more users/addicts. It makes him money.



Wow.... so childish. Everything is someone else's fault and you want the government to protect and control you.

Oh no! The drug companies are making medicine!!!! and they are making a lot of it! OH NOOOOOO
What would your solution be? Tell them they can't make it? You need the government to tell companies what they should or should not make?

Jesus... it's like you're some sort of liberal nanny-stater.

If you don't want pain medicine, don't take it (I have piles of it prescribed for ruptured disks, separated shoulders, broken wrist, broken noses broken fingers). Don't try to control whether some other schlub thinks they need it.

Pharma doesn't get people addicted any more than a gun manufacturer gets someone shot.... don't be an idiot.
cacman Offline
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fDiEEv6DRs
cacman Offline
#26 Posted:
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http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/explorer/videos/selling-an-epidemic/
SteveS Offline
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dstieger wrote:
Why why why all the commercials on tv for prescription drugs???? How the **** can this be a good thing?
Internet aided self-diagnosis is bad enough....now we also get to bug our doctor for all kinds of crap because every commercial on tv from 5 to 8 PM is for some drug that I didn't know I needed..


Solutions in search of a problem ...

If pharma has to wait for your doctor to consider Viberzi, they might have to wait forever ... hell, he's probably never even heard of it ... but, if you see it on TV, then go to the doc and ask him if Viberzi is right for you, he'll probably say "well, maybe it'd help ... let's try it and see how it works" ...
BuckyB93 Offline
#28 Posted:
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^ This.

Take your marketing directly to the consumer.
DrafterX Offline
#29 Posted:
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yep, and if the doc prescribes enough the pharm company sends him on a cruise.. ThumpUp
teedubbya Offline
#30 Posted:
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All of youz understanding of the opioid crisis is truly overwhelming LMAO.
Mr. Jones Offline
#31 Posted:
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Thanks....dstieger..

"FOR WAKING UP ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE BED TODAY AND WATCHING TV NEWS"....

THIS IS THE BEST THREAD

IN

MONTHS!!!
(It's like a good old "YUUUUGE black beauty capsule" with a shot of steroids)

#9 DMV ...IS THE WINNER SO FAR:

"....y'all need to go back to the lab and tighten that up a bit"

^^^^I LMMFAO AT THAT LINE!!!

Keep goin' at it boyeeeeeeesssss....

I'm finally entertained after weeks of C-BID
THREAD BOREDOM....ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

OH, DRAFTERX & I despise loser addicts for *****ING up real TEMPORARY AMOUNTS OF LOW DOSE OXY scripts to real people with back pain when THEY REALLY NEED IT , TO FUNCTION IN NORMAL LIFE...P.S. WE DONT GET ADDICTED EITHER.
SteveS Offline
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SteveS wrote:
Solutions in search of a problem ...

If pharma has to wait for your doctor to consider Viberzi, they might have to wait forever ... hell, he's probably never even heard of it ... but, if you see it on TV, then go to the doc and ask him if Viberzi is right for you, he'll probably say "well, maybe it'd help ... let's try it and see how it works" ...

BuckyB93 wrote:
Take your marketing directly to the consumer.


That's it!! ... turn every sufferer of every ailment, whether real or imagined into a salesperson for your pharma product ... a genius move on the part of whomever it was that thought of this angle ... unhappily for the well being of the populace, it's working and working well ...

AND, because health insurance is paying for it, cost is no obstacle ... who cares how much it costs when someone else is footing the bill ?? We'd see a much-reduced need for drugs and other treatment if we had to pay out of pocket ... and, with government becoming the dominant player in health care, we're gonna see a previously unimaginable dependency of citizens on the government ... the control freaks like Nancy Pelosi are having wet dreams over all this *^%$
Gene363 Offline
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The war on drugs enter a new phase, yawn. At least in the case of big pharma money isn't going to third world despots and undermining their governments. Some going to Victor is troubling, but not surprising.

IMO, people are scared of life, life includes pain. Well(?) meaning idiots want to solve every problem with a pill instead of living real life. Addictive persons are all too happy to embrace this idea.
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dstieger wrote:
And while I'm all outraged at pharma...here's another thing

Why why why all the commercials on tv for prescription drugs???? How the **** can this be a good thing? I'm going to go way against my Libertarian leanings and say that I'd be perfectly happy with a law taking that crap off tv.

What's wrong with a model that has doctors getting themselves educated about drugs....and then prescribing them safely and appropriately??? How is the world a healthier or safer place if I go to my doctor and say "write me a script for Viberzi, because I had the sh|ts yesterday and that ridiculous redhead in the leotard said I need Viberzi"

Internet aided self-diagnosis is bad enough....now we also get to bug our doctor for all kinds of crap because every commercial on tv from 5 to 8 PM is for some drug that I didn't know I needed...get 'em off my tv


I hear you, people demand these drugs even if they don't have the actual disease, all in spite of the listed side effects like suicide, death, anal leakage etc.
tailgater Offline
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Blaming Big Pharma for addicts is akin to blaming Gun manufacturers for murders.

Personal responsibility, people.

But we're missing the fun part here:

Trump is gonna wage a "War on Opiods"

Sounds like something a liberal democrat would do. And if Obammy did it then Massachusetts et al would be salivating and asking for MORE big government intervention ($) and saying how Compassionate he is.

But it's, well, Trump.
So the dems are up in arms.

MA AG Maura Healey says it's Not Enough! Show me the money!
As if I needed further proof.

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#36 Posted:
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Just say 'no' to drugs... that's what I do.

I've had doctors tell me to take drugs. I said, for how long. They said, well, for the rest of your life.


Just say 'no' to drugs.

Beer
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#37 Posted:
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sometimes the docs know what they're talking about... lost a friend a couple years ago because he thought he could beat cholesterol with good food and exercise... he was found on the living floor one day.. hadn't taken his pills in 6 months or so... but at least he was in good shape... Mellow
MACS Offline
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RE: Post 35

Please see post #14.
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#39 Posted:
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While I do think advertising for pharmaceuticals is pretty dumb (well, brilliant from the aspect of selling more pharmaceuticals) it doesn't really impact the issue of opioids.....

now... who wants some oxy?
Phil222 Offline
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Prison costs tax payers around 30k a year per-inmate. War on drugs has costed tax payers no telling how much; I would estimate well into the billions. Maybe even hundreds of billions? Education and drug treatment programs are BY FAR the cheaper option. Not to mention more likely to eradicate the problem. This is a no brainer to me.
MACS Offline
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Not so easy as that.

California has come up with a couple “propositions” that have been passed into law. Prop 57 - which essentially early releases non-violent inmates, who have been sentenced already, into the community. The theory is… they’re non-violent so they won’t reoffend. Bzzzzzt.

Prop 47 – which reduces the penalties for some crimes from felonies (prison time) to misdemeanors (fines and out of custody work programs). Crimes such as shoplifting, grand theft, receiving stolen property, forgery, fraud, personal use of most illegal drugs…

Guess what has happened to the crime rates in California? They went up. Violent crime also went up. You’re not going to rehabilitate anyone who doesn’t want to be rehabilitated. So to say it’s cheaper by far, without considering the other factors involved in letting these dopers walk free, is short-sighted.
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I never got my free Obama-oxy damnit..!! Mad
rfenst Online
#43 Posted:
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I think TV advertising serves some, but not complete, benefit to patients. Doctors no loner meet with pharmaceutical reps like they used to, so they don't know cutting edge research and the availability of new drugs like they used to. Under that circumstance, a little extra patient knowledge of available drugs can be helpful- just like patients searching the internet about their medical conditions.
Phil222 Offline
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MACS wrote:
Not so easy as that.

California has come up with a couple “propositions” that have been passed into law. Prop 57 - which essentially early releases non-violent inmates, who have been sentenced already, into the community. The theory is… they’re non-violent so they won’t reoffend. Bzzzzzt.

Prop 47 – which reduces the penalties for some crimes from felonies (prison time) to misdemeanors (fines and out of custody work programs). Crimes such as shoplifting, grand theft, receiving stolen property, forgery, fraud, personal use of most illegal drugs…

Guess what has happened to the crime rates in California? They went up. Violent crime also went up. You’re not going to rehabilitate anyone who doesn’t want to be rehabilitated. So to say it’s cheaper by far, without considering the other factors involved in letting these dopers walk free, is short-sighted.


I do not know the situation in California well enough to speak on it intellagently, but I would first argue that correlation does not mean causation. What percentage of the people out on early release were convicted a second time? I wouldn't be suprised if many of them commited more crimes, but now we are getting into why people commit crimes in the first place and that's a different discussion.

I'm merely talking about non-violent drug offenders. I'm for the solution that is gonna cost taxpayers the least amount of money. There was a study conducted by Washington State Institute for Public Policy that found "every dollar spent on drug treatment in the community yields over $18 in cost savings related to crime. In comparison, prisons only yield $0.37 in public safety benefit per dollar spent.” I have seen other studies that had similiar findings.

We have spent many years and billions of dollars with the war on drugs, and drug use is at an all-time high. I think it is obvious to everyone that what the government has been doing simply isn't working. All I'm saying is that I'm open for new ideas. Especially ones that cost me less money.
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victor809 wrote:
I'm not. I work on the validation side.



so, you gots to validate the little blue pills too..?? how does that work exactly.. Huh
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DrafterX wrote:
so, you gots to validate the little blue pills too..?? how does that work exactly.. Huh



Quit ****-footing around. Just admit you ran out of yours.
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I think I still have some... I was given a couple sample boxes a few years ago.. haven't seen them in a while.. do they expire..?? Huh
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Phil222 wrote:
I do not know the situation in California well enough to speak on it intellegently, but I would first argue that correlation does not mean causation. What percentage of the people out on early release were convicted a second time? I wouldn't be suprised if many of them commited more crimes, but now we are getting into why people commit crimes in the first place and that's a different discussion.

I'm merely talking about non-violent drug offenders. I'm for the solution that is gonna cost taxpayers the least amount of money. There was a study conducted by Washington State Institute for Public Policy that found "every dollar spent on drug treatment in the community yields over $18 in cost savings related to crime. In comparison, prisons only yield $0.37 in public safety benefit per dollar spent.” I have seen other studies that had similiar findings.

We have spent many years and billions of dollars with the war on drugs, and drug use is at an all-time high. I think it is obvious to everyone that what the government has been doing simply isn't working. All I'm saying is that I'm open for new ideas. Especially ones that cost me less money.


I work in a jail. I work in PROGRAMS and I have for the last 4 years. The guys who complete our programs (evidence based programs, I might add) reoffend at an alarming rate. Less than 20% do not come back... at least into our custody, that's not to say they aren't being arrested in another county or state.

Most of these dopers don't work. Where do you think they get the money for their drugs? Shoplifting. Burglary. Robbery. Forgery. Fraud.

We agree completely that the war on drugs hasn't worked, and again on the saving of taxpayer dollars... I actually wrote a paper for college advocating giving them the drugs for free. It's cheaper than locking them up, and it'd keep them from committing crimes to obtain the drugs.
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MACS wrote:
I work in a jail. I work in PROGRAMS and I have for the last 4 years. The guys who complete our programs (evidence based programs, I might add) reoffend at an alarming rate. Less than 20% do not come back... at least into our custody, that's not to say they aren't being arrested in another county or state.

Most of these dopers don't work. Where do you think they get the money for their drugs? Shoplifting. Burglary. Robbery. Forgery. Fraud.

We agree completely that the war on drugs hasn't worked, and again on the saving of taxpayer dollars... I actually wrote a paper for college advocating giving them the drugs for free. It's cheaper than locking them up, and it'd keep them from committing crimes to obtain the drugs.


I commend you on the work that you do. I'm sure it's not easy. I'm basing my opinion on what studies in regards to this issue say is less expensive. Everything I have ever seen on this subject says that treatment is less expensive than jail. If there is something available that says otherwise, I would definately give it a read. Giving away free drugs is definately thinking outside of the box. I'm pretty sure some nordic countries have been doing this on a regulated basis for opoid users. I'm not sure what successes or failures they have had with it. It might be worth looking into.

Edit: It was the Netherlands that I was thinking of that gives out free heroin. https://news.vice.com/article/only-in-the-netherlands-do-addicts-complain-about-free-government-heroin
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#50 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
I think I still have some... I was given a couple sample boxes a few years ago.. haven't seen them in a while.. do they expire..?? Huh



How would I know...
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