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cacman Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Nov 9 2017, 2:24 PM EST
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California NAACP Wants to Get Rid of National Anthem
https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/melanie-arter/california-naacp-wants-get-rid-national-anthem
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#2 Posted: Thu, Nov 9 2017, 2:53 PM EST
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Amazing how the modern left is taking turns saying "hold my beer, this is how you jump the shark"
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#3 Posted: Thu, Nov 9 2017, 2:58 PM EST
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I'd wish I was shocked, but it just isn't so. Sad times we're living in. 'merica.....love it or leave it!!!
MACS Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Nov 9 2017, 3:06 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Amazing how the modern left is taking turns saying "hold my beer, this is how you jump the shark"


More like... "You thought that was stupid? Watch this!"
SteveS Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Nov 9 2017, 4:06 PM EST
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I've reached the point where my attitude has worn thin ... f*ck the CA branch of the naacp and the horse they rode in on ...
teedubbya Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Nov 9 2017, 6:41 PM EST
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I heard the want to replace it with either rappers delight or 911 is a joke
teedubbya Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Nov 9 2017, 6:45 PM EST
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CPNK0VspQ0M
bgz Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Nov 9 2017, 6:56 PM EST
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Just change it to something from Eminem :)


That'll really piss em off. Something about cultural appropriation or some chit.
victor809 Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Nov 9 2017, 6:58 PM EST
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So... I checked up on this... and of course the original statement is misleading somewhat.
The NAACP is not "removing the national anthem" they are suggesting replacing the Star Spangled Banner with something else as the national anthem.

But I would like to offer an intellectual exercise...

Can you say why you are against this? Without simply resorting to ad hominem comments and overblown patriotism.

If one were to stop and think logically about the issue, this isn't a horrible idea.

We all know what the problem is, right? There's the 3rd stanza which talks about killing off all those pesky slaves who chose to fight for Britain (because hey, we were still treating them as property and Britain was willing to recognize their freedom) ... no one sings that stanza, but it was written into the song because apparently Keys was pretty pissed off about those slaves (maybe a couple of his ran away?).

Anyway... that's all old news. We have identified the problem. Some groups of Americans find it a little dispiriting that we would still recognize as the national anthem a song which originally talked gleefully about killing off slaves who fought for their freedom.

What are possible solutions? Well... you can tell that group to suck it up. But that's not really going to solve anything. You can get rid of a national anthem... but that seems drastic. You can officially change the national anthem to something which doesn't have lyrics in it that are thrilled about killing slaves... I suppose you could officially change the lyrics of the national anthem to remove that stanza...

Anyway... to simply call the idea nonsense is probably not helpful...

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I wrote a song about my puppy-dog once... Mellow
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#11 Posted: Thu, Nov 9 2017, 7:05 PM EST
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I mean... we all only know it by the first stanza or two...

but if you look it up in the archives ... or the "scouts" website.... all the stanzas are there in their slave killing glory...
victor809 Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Nov 9 2017, 7:06 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I wrote a song about my puppy-dog once... Mellow


Maybe we could make that the new national anthem?
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#13 Posted: Thu, Nov 9 2017, 7:08 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Maybe we could make that the new national anthem?

no good. cat people...
victor809 Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Nov 9 2017, 7:09 PM EST
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ah yeah.... good point. Can't trust them... they may try to secede or something...
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"America the Beautiful" "My Country Tis Of Thee" or even "This Land is Your Land" (my personal favorite) are all better songs than the impossible to sing thing we got now.
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#16 Posted: Thu, Nov 9 2017, 7:19 PM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
"America the Beautiful" "My Country Tis Of Thee" or even "This Land is Your Land" (my personal favorite) are all better songs than the impossible to sing thing we got now.

Love This Land is your Land...
too controversial to happen though. Marxist stuff. Interesting tale about it being a reply to God Bless America that Guthrie hated.
DrafterX Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Nov 9 2017, 7:22 PM EST
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Ya, this land is your land screams Communism... Mellow
bgz Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Nov 9 2017, 7:38 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
So... I checked up on this... and of course the original statement is misleading somewhat.
The NAACP is not "removing the national anthem" they are suggesting replacing the Star Spangled Banner with something else as the national anthem.

But I would like to offer an intellectual exercise...

Can you say why you are against this? Without simply resorting to ad hominem comments and overblown patriotism.

If one were to stop and think logically about the issue, this isn't a horrible idea.

We all know what the problem is, right? There's the 3rd stanza which talks about killing off all those pesky slaves who chose to fight for Britain (because hey, we were still treating them as property and Britain was willing to recognize their freedom) ... no one sings that stanza, but it was written into the song because apparently Keys was pretty pissed off about those slaves (maybe a couple of his ran away?).

Anyway... that's all old news. We have identified the problem. Some groups of Americans find it a little dispiriting that we would still recognize as the national anthem a song which originally talked gleefully about killing off slaves who fought for their freedom.

What are possible solutions? Well... you can tell that group to suck it up. But that's not really going to solve anything. You can get rid of a national anthem... but that seems drastic. You can officially change the national anthem to something which doesn't have lyrics in it that are thrilled about killing slaves... I suppose you could officially change the lyrics of the national anthem to remove that stanza...

Anyway... to simply call the idea nonsense is probably not helpful...



There you go, keep it simple. Don't know why people complicate sh1t. Nobody knows that verse anyway (except everyone b1tching about it).
MACS Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Nov 9 2017, 10:02 PM EST
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Tradition. People are bitching and moaning about something even their grandparents were not subject to.

Get over it.

We're looking in the miniscule rear view mirror way too much. There is a giant windshield in front of you, and the car is moving forward. Glance at the rearview, to remind you of what's behind, but focus on what's in front of you, or you're never going to get where you want to be... you're going to crash because you're focused on stupid shit that can no longer hurt you.
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#20 Posted: Thu, Nov 9 2017, 10:47 PM EST
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If it "AIN'T broke...DON'T fix it"

Change ....for Change's sake, is pure Stupidity...

My guess is...it's a slow news day and the CA NAACP
is grasping for notoriety...
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#21 Posted: Fri, Nov 10 2017, 12:44 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Tradition. People are bitching and moaning about something even their grandparents were not subject to.

Get over it.

We're looking in the miniscule rear view mirror way too much. There is a giant windshield in front of you, and the car is moving forward. Glance at the rearview, to remind you of what's behind, but focus on what's in front of you, or you're never going to get where you want to be... you're going to crash because you're focused on stupid shit that can no longer hurt you.


MACS... "tradition" is a very poor reason to continue doing something. If this were something you thought was a bad idea, or a bad thing, you wouldn't allow "tradition" as an excuse. If the third stanza had a line about buggering confederate generals (yes I know it was a different war) in the butt after soundly defeating them someone would have changed it decades ago in the interest of "healing wounds".

As for you saying "get over it"... that's just silly... to you and I, a couple white middle aged males, simply stating that this is something stupid in the past that others should just ignore as unimportant is kind of dumb. Neither of us knows really what it feels like to know that those lyrics are there. Hell, the originator of this thread had a bad experience with some blacks and hasn't been willing to leave elevation since then it's traumatized him so much.

In some ways this is an interesting issue (in ways that I don't expect anyone to bother exploring, because no one is willing to walk away from either side). Blacks in our nation were involved in the creation from the beginning, but weren't allowed to be citizens until much later... and when they were allowed in it seems to have been a "take it as it is and shut up" manner. They've been expected to just lump it and accept any traditions, institutions or whatever that had been in place, without having any real input on the creation of the country (although they had a disproportionate amount of input in the labor)... I see this as an interest in having input into traditions going forward... that's not a bad thing. It would move the nation towards something which both groups had input into... but everyone instead is just concerned about traditions...
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#22 Posted: Fri, Nov 10 2017, 8:04 AM EST
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when will it stop..?? every week there's something new that never bothered anyone until they were told to be bothered by it... Mellow
Mattie B Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Nov 10 2017, 8:53 AM EST
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What blows my mind is there are still some that make fun of the Sip.
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#24 Posted: Fri, Nov 10 2017, 9:20 AM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
"America the Beautiful" "My Country Tis Of Thee" or even "This Land is Your Land" (my personal favorite) are all better songs than the impossible to sing thing we got now.


+1

How many times has a singer failed during the singing of our anthem? It's just a horrible piece of music; not the words the tune. fog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt3mSwp_wRo

And back on topic. The CA NAACP needs to not be triggered over something like this. Misplaced self righteous BS. horse
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#25 Posted: Fri, Nov 10 2017, 9:35 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I mean... we all only know it by the first stanza or two...

but if you look it up in the archives ... or the "scouts" website.... all the stanzas are there in their slave killing glory...



Better address the rap music industry and remove or rewrite their Cop killing lyrics and celebration @ the same time. I'm guessing there are more youth in our country who hear that chit vs our Anthem' Third Stanza!!!
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#26 Posted: Fri, Nov 10 2017, 9:35 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:


And back on topic. The CA NAACP needs to not be triggered over something like this. Misplaced self righteous BS. horse





Come on, come on, lovin' for the money..
Come on, come on, listen to the moneytalk... Mellow
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#27 Posted: Fri, Nov 10 2017, 9:51 AM EST
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Third stanza? Who the hell ever gets to the third stanza?
The words that we sing as a nation never mention killing slaves.

If the Star Spangled Banner "needs" to be removed because of a largely unknown verse, then we "need" to change the names of or nation's capitol because Washington owned slaves.

And remember that everything we do today will therefore get looked back upon 200 years from now, and will be viewed through the ideals of the future.

Live your life by the morals of today and live a good life.

We're supposed to LEARN from history. Not apologize for it.

Buncha thin skinned snowflakes.
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#28 Posted: Fri, Nov 10 2017, 9:52 AM EST
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Where's Jesse and Al ?
DrafterX Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Nov 10 2017, 9:54 AM EST
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banned... Mellow
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#30 Posted: Fri, Nov 10 2017, 10:12 AM EST
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So my interpretation of the 3rd Stanza....
Slave is speaking of us all, not just African Americans. In other words, being a “slave” to Great Britain.

I️ would think the 4th Stanza would be more of an issue for our lost Atheist.
“In God is our trust”.


bgz Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, Nov 10 2017, 10:28 AM EST
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Meh, drop the last 3 versus, nobody sings them.

You're right about the last verse, it's offensive (it's just bad), drop it. 3rd verse, obviously... make people quit crying. 2nd verse... sounds like it was written from an ancient vegan hipster... gotta go.

The only one that matters is the first one, the rest suck anyway.

What's a lost Atheist anyway? Is that some sort of super hero?
teedubbya Offline
#32 Posted: Fri, Nov 10 2017, 10:43 AM EST
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As drafter says where does it stop. All this change has to stop.

Idgaf about this issue but iffin enough folks agree for whatever reason it’s not a big deal to change a national anthem, national flower, bird whatever.

We are such a young country but like to pretend we are old and steeped in tradition. Everything we have is new.
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#33 Posted: Fri, Nov 10 2017, 11:34 AM EST
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Mattie B wrote:
So my interpretation of the 3rd Stanza....
Slave is speaking of us all, not just African Americans. In other words, being a “slave” to Great Britain.

I️ would think the 4th Stanza would be more of an issue for our lost Atheist.
“In God is our trust”.



... um... it appears historians disagree with your interpretation of the 3rd stanza....

it is believed to be "glorying in the Americans’ defeat of the Corps of Colonial Marines, one of two units of black slaves recruited between 1808 and 1816 to fight for the British on the promise of gaining their freedom"...

This of course, even puts the phrase "land of the free" into serious question. Did he actually mean it in the way we interpret it now? Or was he being a d#ck by pointing out this land didn't belong to those slaves?

The most hilarious part of this was this quote I found: "After the U.S. and the British signed a peace treaty at the end of 1814, the U.S. government demanded the return of American “property,” which by that point numbered about 6,000 people. The British refused. Most of the 6,000 eventually settled in Canada, with some going to Trinidad, where their descendants are still known as “Merikins.”"


I think it's important to realize people are d#cks. We always have been d#cks. We have this hero worship/rose color glasses of all these historical figures... but guess what... they were more poorly educated than many people we know now.. The idea that he'd be miffed enough that slaves wanted to be free that he would put a few lines in there about that is not a stretch in the least.

Maybe we should change the national anthem to that famous song about rand paul being a pvssy... it was pretty catchy.
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#34 Posted: Fri, Nov 10 2017, 12:23 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
... um... it appears historians disagree with your interpretation of the 3rd stanza....



by that I'm sure you mean some berserkely livin', loony lefty liberal, nancy Pelosi lovin' historians ... they're completely full of sh*t ... f*ck them and the horse they rode in on ...
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SteveS wrote:
by that I'm sure you mean some berserkely livin', loony lefty liberal, nancy Pelosi lovin' historians ... they're completely full of sh*t ... f*ck them and the horse they rode in on ...




.... huh?

Dude... if you have a different historian who says the star spangled banner means something else (and has evidence to support it) then go for it. Otherwise you're claim that they must be "loony left" (try oxford educated brit) and full of sh#t just makes you look bad.
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#36 Posted: Fri, Nov 10 2017, 12:50 PM EST
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We're talking NAACP right..?? Huh
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#37 Posted: Fri, Nov 10 2017, 1:03 PM EST
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The 3rd verse is bashing the British.

I️ was wrong in my interpretation. The slave part is addressing how the British forced people to serve as sailors. Part cause of the war of 1812.


Hireling is speaking of the use of Mercenaries.


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#38 Posted: Fri, Nov 10 2017, 1:08 PM EST
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Well, I don't think we should let the British sing the Star Spangled banner anymore then... I don't care how much Olivia Newton John begs us...Not talking
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#39 Posted: Fri, Nov 10 2017, 1:17 PM EST
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Mattie B wrote:
The 3rd verse is bashing the British.

I️ was wrong in my interpretation. The slave part is addressing how the British forced people to serve as sailors. Part cause of the war of 1812.


Hireling is speaking of the use of Mercenaries.



mmhmm.... yeah. He was really mad at those people (some american) who were forced to man British boats that he was gleefully talking about them being in their grave.

It's not the worst suggested alternative reading... and much better than people just claiming it's wrong or using "tradition" as an argument. But if I had to look at the two alternatives, it seems significantly more likely that he would write those lyrics about people voluntarily fighting against america vs those in press gangs.
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Ya, but it was written well before it was cool to be against slavery... Mellow
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#41 Posted: Fri, Nov 10 2017, 2:28 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Ya, this land is your land screams Communism... Mellow



Huh

This land is your land, this land is my land
From the California to the New York island
From the Redwood Forest, to the gulf stream waters
This land was made for you and me
As I went walking that ribbon of highway
I saw above me that endless skyway
And saw below me that golden valley
This land was made for you and me
I roamed and rambled and I followed my footsteps
To the sparkling sands of her diamond deserts
And all around me , a voice was sounding
This land was made for you and me
When the sun comes shining, then I was strolling
In the wheat fields waving and dust clouds rolling
The voice was chanting as the fog was lifting
This land was made for you and me
This land is your land and this land is my land
From the California to the New York island
From the Redwood Forest, to the gulf stream waters
This land was made for you and me
When the sun comes shining, then I was strolling
In wheat fields waving and dust clouds rolling
The voice come chanting as the fog was lifting
This land was made for you and me
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#42 Posted: Fri, Nov 10 2017, 2:34 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
.... huh?

Dude... if you have a different historian who says the star spangled banner means something else (and has evidence to support it) then go for it. Otherwise you're claim that they must be "loony left" (try oxford educated brit) and full of sh#t just makes you look bad.



So let me get this straight, we should take the interpretation of some F'n Brit who's country LOST the war and moreover the control of the Colonies so the WE may become The United States of America. Alrighty then.
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#43 Posted: Fri, Nov 10 2017, 3:13 PM EST
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And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

In actuality, only a simpleton would automatically assume that Scott's use of the term "slave" meant black slaves in America's south.

Tell me what the entire verse means and it can be discussed like adults.
Otherwise, it's just a knee-jerk reaction to a single word taken in the context of America 2017.

But either way, I don't care. We don't perpetuate the third or fourth verse. We sing the first based on meaning and (yes) tradition.
There is ZERO logic in removing it.

You snowflakes have to stop playing the victim. It's getting tiresome.
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#44 Posted: Fri, Nov 10 2017, 3:19 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
So let me get this straight, we should take the interpretation of some F'n Brit who's country LOST the war and moreover the control of the Colonies so the WE may become The United States of America. Alrighty then.


TCBY... you truly are a treasure. I really hope that everyone here appreciates fully what is brought to any discussion. I thought there was no way anyone would take that position on this forum. No way. But you, with either your completely dulled sense of irony, or extraordinarily fine tuned sense of satire, went there.... I'm not sure whether you're completely dull or a genius... of if you wrap all the way around from one side to the other....

First... a discussion about "opinions" vs "facts"... very little of what was said was the historian's opinion. They have facts: That there were american owned slaves who escaped and fought for the british. This is a fact whether the historian is american or british. An additional fact pointed out by Mattie was that the british used press gangs for their ships during this era. Additional facts include a recent defeat of the slave battalion by the american forces somewhat contemporaneous with the writing of the lyrics of the star spangled banner. If you think these facts changes based on origination of the information then you should never be involved in any important decision ever again.

The "opinion" part comes in when the historian some of these items are related. As Mattie thinks the press gangs is related to the lyrics, and a british historian (and others) believe that the slave battalions are related. That isn't such a complex amount of information that you can't simply form your own opinion. This isn't a "I don't trust their opinion" sort of situation. In my opinion (as an american) it seems likely that the lyric, which says "slaves" applies to "slaves". That's not hard to figure. It's Matties opinion that the lyric which says "slaves" applies to "press gangs"... I don't think that's as likely, but I can't tell him definitively that he's wrong. But you, however... are very... very... wrong. Because you don't seem to understand where fact and opinion stop and begin...

Now that the boring part is over... let's get to the fun.

I am extraordinarily glad that you are of the opinion that people from a country which lost a war shouldn't have any input on anything regarding said war. I assume that you are of the same opinion regarding confederate statues? Ignoring the opinion of individuals from the former Confederate States of America will make it much easier to find consensus one what to do with these dumb statues.
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Sorry Jade... the American Indians say this land was NOT made for you and me. GTFO.
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Damm Brits...we hate them, until we point with pride at our European culture and heritage and the "traditions" that our first settlers brought with them from Great Britain, whenever something appears to challenge them......

It seems that the inglorious origin of our treasured National Anthem and the slave owner author of the lyrics who wrote them, was motivated in part to celebrate his delight at the demise and defeat of the runaway slaves who sided with the UK in the War of 1812. The denunciation of these words by ancestors of the slaves has caused the keepers of the heritage to double down on why it's important to keep it. The slow erosion of societal norms keeping black Americans in a position of inferiority is apparently galling to many, as an example of an attack on tradition that cloaks a need to maintain a position of superiority. This, after electing the type of man once believed un-electable, especially if one like him represented the left, because the traditional ways of politics in the US wasn't satisfactory.
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#47 Posted: Fri, Nov 10 2017, 5:15 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Sorry Jade... the American Indians say this land was NOT made for you and me. GTFO.







Crying
MACS Offline
#48 Posted: Fri, Nov 10 2017, 10:03 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Damm Brits...we hate them, until we point with pride at our European culture and heritage and the "traditions" that our first settlers brought with them from Great Britain, whenever something appears to challenge them......

It seems that the inglorious origin of our treasured National Anthem and the slave owner author of the lyrics who wrote them, was motivated in part to celebrate his delight at the demise and defeat of the runaway slaves who sided with the UK in the War of 1812. The denunciation of these words by ancestors of the slaves has caused the keepers of the heritage to double down on why it's important to keep it. The slow erosion of societal norms keeping black Americans in a position of inferiority is apparently galling to many, as an example of an attack on tradition that cloaks a need to maintain a position of superiority. This, after electing the type of man once believed un-electable, especially if one like him represented the left, because the traditional ways of politics in the US wasn't satisfactory.


BFD. Ever heard of abolitionists? Ya know who John Brown was?

White dude. Fighting with the slaves for their freedom. WTF people... everyone wants to point to the white man, when in fact it was white men who helped right the wrong. History... they still teach that shit, right?
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#49 Posted: Fri, Nov 10 2017, 10:07 PM EST
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Only the parts that will enforce the resistance... Mellow
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#50 Posted: Fri, Nov 10 2017, 10:08 PM EST
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The day I visited ft McHenry I literally had the fort to myself. I went alone on an overcast cold drizzly day and was the only one in the ft. It was creepy. Then in the visitor center there was one other person.

Standing alone in the fat was surreal. Looking out over the water where the bloody brits were attacking and imaging the bombing changed my perspective due to how small the ft and bay really are.

But I vote for changing to either Yankee Doodle or wang dang sweet putang
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