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Senator Al Franken D-MN
DrafterX Offline
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Maybe because there's no proof... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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ButHillaryX wrote:
Maybe because there's no proof... Mellow



true..true...

or not. glad stuart smally is leaving. im amazed at what some folks are willing to justify to have their team "win"
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And it's even worse when their candidates loose... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
Those in rock houses shouldn't wear glasses... Not talking

People who live in glass houses, shouldn't take baths????Shame on you
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ButhillaryX wrote:
And it's even worse when their candidates loose... Mellow



exactly. winning is everything. losing sucks. it's the reason/justification for everything.
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RMAN4443 wrote:
People who live in glass houses, shouldn't take baths????Shame on you



People on bath salts shouldn't leave a plunger in the toilet
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delta1 wrote:
Roy Moore is still on the ballot in Alabama, he has gotten full support from Trump...many GOP Senators originally pulled their endorsements and urged him to resign and the RNC withdrew its support of his candidacy when the first accusers told their stories...more women have come forward and the GOP have all said they have no reason to question the women


Moore has stood by his original statement that he did not do any wrong. Franken had photo evidence with a Leeann Tweeden, Joy Behar, Lindsay Menz and Arianna Huffington and STILL tried to deny he did!
http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/21/a-definitive-collection-of-creepy-al-franken-photos-groping-women/


delta1 wrote:
And yet...now the entire GOP is fully supporting Moore, a man accused of child molesting and sexually assaulting numerous teenagers, and hanging out at malls and around high schools cruising for girls...saying he is better than a Dem...


How are you slicing this up? 1st its "many" GOP senators pulled endorsements and now they what circled the wagons for Moore and are all-in? Seriously? 100% support? Did anyone drug McCain and McConnell???

delta1 wrote:
If the GOP is urging the Dems to call for Franken to resign...why not Moore? Molesting a child is WAY more serious than groping an adult...isn't it?


Last night it was the Night of the Long Knives for the Democrats. They called for his head and snatched it off his body and put it on a pike so they could take the "moral" high ground. There was only one from the GOP that spoke out. They're eating their own on the Left. Its nothing new either. Pelosi is batting a thousand. Whomever she supports is a death knell for a political career!!!!Frying pan Frying pan Now, as he's walking out the door he decides to brush off his stand-up act with barbs at his opponents...he didn't aim well. He went for Trump and he shudda gone for Pelosi! He went for Moore when he shudda gone for the 32 senators that pulled a Julius Caesar "Ides of March" on him!!

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/06/politics/al-franken-democratic-senators-resign/index.html

Ths schmuck did it to himself. He was ALWAYS an embarrassment no matter how you slice it. Good riddance.
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they're backing Moore so he can win, get removed, and then they pick a conservative they like.

"Party over Country"...heard that from some GOP senator yesterday, and he meant it as a disgrace to country.
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Maybe they want Moore to win, then get jailed, and the governor can pick a replacement.
That's how they'd do it in Massachusetts.

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that works too.

I love saying Sen. Flake.
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Hard to say what the agenda is... But if it's ignoring crimes to get someone elected it's been done before for sure... Unfortunately for them she lost... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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Thanks ButHillaryX!

You are a member in good standing.
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That's what she said... Mellow
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GOP hypocrisy is a legendary embarrassment.

The POTUS brags about womanizing and grapping ***** - 16 accusers. But let's go after the Dem for little to nothing.
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Brewha wrote:
GOP hypocrisy is a legendary embarrassment.

The POTUS brags about womanizing and grapping ***** - 16 accusers. But let's go after the Dem for little to nothing.



little to nothing?

hypocrisy runs deep both ways. I'm with you on the Prez/Moore and more.... but you lose credibility with the little to nothing crap.
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Think
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One of the women who accused Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore of making advances on her when she was a teen and he a local prosecutor admitted Friday to forging part of the yearbook inscription she offered as proof.


Beverly Young Nelson the latest accuser of Alabama Republican Roy Moore, shows her high school yearbook signed by Moore, at a news conference, in New York, Monday, Nov. 13, 2017. Nelson says Moore assaulted her when she was 16 and he offered her a ride home from a restaurant where she worked. Anticipating Nelson's allegations at the news conference, Moore's campaign ridiculed her attorney, Gloria Allred, beforehand as "a sensationalist leading a witch hunt."

Beverly Young Nelson told ABC News she wrote part of the disputed note in her high school yearbook that she and famed attorney Gloria Allred presented as proof the then-30-something Moore sought an inappropriate relationship with her in the late 1970s. Nelson still insisted that Moore wrote most of the message and signed the inscription, but said she made “notes” to it.

“He did sign it,” Nelson told ABC’s Tom Llamas.

Beverly Young Nelson, the latest accuser of Alabama Republican Roy Moore, reads her statement at a news conference, in New York, Monday, Nov. 13, 2017. Nelson says Moore assaulted her when she was 16 and he offered her a ride home from a restaurant where she worked. Moore says the latest allegations against him are a "witch hunt."

Moore has denied signing the yearbook and said he did not know Nelson at the time. Moore, who went on to become a judge and then the chief justice of the Alabama State Supreme Court, later ruled against Nelson in a 1999 divorce case.

Film at 11.... Think
teedubbya Offline
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Count Fox, and Drafter as being on team Moore.
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so, it's not news..?? Huh
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With multiple accusers, an entire town that seemed to be complicit in just working to "keep the creepy guy away from the young girls at the mall" and signatures in a yearbook and a card he sent to a girl... it seems awfully questionable to be concerned about one of the girls having added a date to the signature. Why focus on that? Even if it turned out the entire yearbook entry was forged (note this is not what is stated at this time) you still have a guy who tried to date multiple girls in their 14-17 year old range when he was in his 30s, was creeping around his current wife's dance recital when she was 15 (and apparently was so enamored he remembered her later) and he was 29 (what would you say to a 29 year old who is going to dance recitals put on by 15 year olds?)... and apparently set off enough people's "creepy" vibe that they kept him from the mall.

No drafter... you didn't post news. You posted a pitiful attempt to try to get people to believe that this whole thing is a set-up to make Moore look like a pedo.
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and your post is intended to make people believe he's guilty without a trial... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
and your post is intended to make people believe he's guilty without a trial... Mellow


Um. A couple things...
1 - From you this is hilarious. (mr lock her up... certain the clintons killed a bunch of people... etc etc etc)
2 - Unlike you, I'm not demanding he be locked up for crimes without a trial. I'm simply pointing out it is likely he is a pedophile and alabama probably shouldn't vote for him, but probably will because pedophiles and nazis have "some good people on both sides".

If you literally saw a guy grab a bottle of key lime water and drink it and leave the store without paying for it, you'd call him a thief right? Even though he hasn't had a trial? If someone then said they were going to vote for him, you'd say "you're voting for a thief" ... This is not a trial. This is perception (which can be wrong) based off the information we have. There appears to be a lot of information suggesting Moore had a thing for 15-17 year old girls. Some of this information is based on his own statements.
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leave key lime water out of this

and in fairness to drafter there is nothing wrong with voting for a pedo as long as it isn't hillary and you can suck your own deeeeek doing mental gyrations to justify it.
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Hillary needs to be locked up... you ignored her crimes and voted for her anyways... difference here is all we have is accusations.. no proof...
not sure why i'm guilty of anything.. I'm not voting for the guy.. my comments are only pointing out how silly you look.. I'm not defending Moore or anyone.. Mellow
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Again... you're missing the difference between "voting" and "incarcerating"... I understand the words look and sound a lot alike, so it's tough.

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teedubbya wrote:
leave key lime water out of this


YOU'RE GOING DOWN FAT MAN!!!

hehhe
tailgater Offline
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Everyone is missing the point.
Moore is accused of dating underaged girls.
Some have lied.

No matter who is telling the truth, Moore is a creep.
The law says it matters if she's 15 or 17.
I don't.
He was 30+ at the time.

WTF?

At least the women who Franken groped while they were unconscious were of age...

teedubbya Offline
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I don't think anyone is missing the point. Including the 14 year old.

Frankin is a creep. Moore is a creep. Trump is a creep. All the others we've been mentioning lately are creeps. There is no defending any of them really.

Voting for them is totally different though. You can vote for them and not support them. Maybe you are really voting for them to show you don't support them and want them to get elected because... well.... I got nothing.

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ButHillaryX wrote:
Hillary needs to be locked up... you ignored her crimes and voted for her anyways... difference here is all we have is accusations.. no proof...
not sure why i'm guilty of anything.. I'm not voting for the guy.. my comments are only pointing out how silly you look.. I'm not defending Moore or anyone.. Mellow



I understand, accusations against a dem are proven but against a rep require proof. That's only common sense.
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teedubbya wrote:
I understand, accusations against a dem are proven but against a rep require proof. That's only common sense.


Hillary deleted emails prior to an investigation.
She illegally used a private server for government purposes.
Her foundation paid for the Russians to create a "Trump Dossier".

Stop me when I run out of proof.


this isn't subjective. It's not rumor nor innuendo.
She did these things.
You can argue that it's no big deal. But THAT would be subjective.

Moore isn't yet "guilty".
Based on the accusations and the response and the facts at hand, it would be enough for Republican Tailgater to NOT vote for him. That would be MY choice. But I can't go as far as to condemn others who may support him. Maybe they know more than I do. Or maybe they have other reasons. Or maybe they just follow party lines.

Either way, your statement rings false.
Nobody said what you're claiming.

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Franken didn't resign. Yet
victor809 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Hillary deleted emails prior to an investigation.
She illegally used a private server for government purposes.
Her foundation paid for the Russians to create a "Trump Dossier".

Stop me when I run out of proof.


this isn't subjective. It's not rumor nor innuendo.
She did these things.
You can argue that it's no big deal. But THAT would be subjective.

Moore isn't yet "guilty".
Based on the accusations and the response and the facts at hand, it would be enough for Republican Tailgater to NOT vote for him. That would be MY choice. But I can't go as far as to condemn others who may support him. Maybe they know more than I do. Or maybe they have other reasons. Or maybe they just follow party lines.

Either way, your statement rings false.
Nobody said what you're claiming.




Mhmm... it's "proof" of their guilt when it's a dem.
they haven't been found "guilty" yet when it's a rep. Same sh#t tail.

Found guilty an punished in our court system is a very specific thing. Neither Clinton nor Moore have been found guilty in our court system. Doesn't matter if you're convinced there's "proof" or not.

However, some here want clinton locked up without first demanding a trial.
Ironically and hilariously it's a lot of the same people who don't think a handful of people saying he tried to bad touch them when they were kids, another handful mentioning having to keep him away from kids, AND Moore himself discussing how he met his wife on tape... is sufficient to find the guy more repulsive than letting a democrat win a seat at congress.

I've yet to hear a single liberal site demand Moore's incarceration. They're just going to keep mocking republicans for voting for a pedo.
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victor809 wrote:
Mhmm... it's "proof" of their guilt when it's a dem.
they haven't been found "guilty" yet when it's a rep. Same sh#t tail.

Found guilty an punished in our court system is a very specific thing. Neither Clinton nor Moore have been found guilty in our court system. Doesn't matter if you're convinced there's "proof" or not.

However, some here want clinton locked up without first demanding a trial.
Ironically and hilariously it's a lot of the same people who don't think a handful of people saying he tried to bad touch them when they were kids, another handful mentioning having to keep him away from kids, AND Moore himself discussing how he met his wife on tape... is sufficient to find the guy more repulsive than letting a democrat win a seat at congress.

I've yet to hear a single liberal site demand Moore's incarceration. They're just going to keep mocking republicans for voting for a pedo.



Quit being obtuse Victor.

Last I recall:

Hillary deleted emails prior to an investigation.
Wasn't there an FBI probe that acknowledged this as true?

She illegally used a private server for government purposes.
See above

Her foundation paid for the Russians to create a "Trump Dossier".
Still speculation, but it's looking that way.
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victor809 wrote:
Mhmm... it's "proof" of their guilt when it's a dem.
they haven't been found "guilty" yet when it's a rep. Same sh#t tail.

Found guilty an punished in our court system is a very specific thing. Neither Clinton nor Moore have been found guilty in our court system. Doesn't matter if you're convinced there's "proof" or not.

However, some here want clinton locked up without first demanding a trial.
Ironically and hilariously it's a lot of the same people who don't think a handful of people saying he tried to bad touch them when they were kids, another handful mentioning having to keep him away from kids, AND Moore himself discussing how he met his wife on tape... is sufficient to find the guy more repulsive than letting a democrat win a seat at congress.

I've yet to hear a single liberal site demand Moore's incarceration. They're just going to keep mocking republicans for voting for a pedo.


I don't think I said anything about guilt.
I just stated facts because they were somehow in question.

You and I agree that Moore is at best a creep.
You like the pedo moniker. And maybe that will prove correct.

It's just funny that you're backing a side that:
A: hasn't been proven
and
B: has been shown to use lies.


I like it when a case is made without proven lies.

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Abrignac wrote:
Quit being obtuse Victor.

Last I recall:

Hillary deleted emails prior to an investigation.
Wasn't there an FBI probe that acknowledged this as true?

She illegally used a private server for government purposes.
See above

Her foundation paid for the Russians to create a "Trump Dossier".
Still speculation, but it's looking that way.


"Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law!"
-OJ

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Abrignac wrote:
Quit being obtuse Victor.

Last I recall:

Hillary deleted emails prior to an investigation.
Wasn't there an FBI probe that acknowledged this as true?

She illegally used a private server for government purposes.
See above

Her foundation paid for the Russians to create a "Trump Dossier".
Still speculation, but it's looking that way.


come on anthony. You're police. You know the procedure.

There are a lot of steps between investigation and locking a person up.
The FBI decided to stop after the investigation step.
The declined to file charges against her
This means there was no trial
This means there was no opportunity for a defense
This means there is no "locking a person up"

Same sh3t as with Moore, except no one is demanding he be locked up. People are just shocked that someone thinks a pedo is more representative of their republican values than a democrat. That's all voting is

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tailgater wrote:
I don't think I said anything about guilt.
I just stated facts because they were somehow in question.


tail wrote:

Stop me when I run out of proof.

Proof of what? One doesn't list a bunch of things one believes to be illegal and then call it "proof" unless one is trying to claim proof of guilt.

Quote:

You and I agree that Moore is at best a creep.
You like the pedo moniker. And maybe that will prove correct.

It's just funny that you're backing a side that:
A: hasn't been proven
and
B: has been shown to use lies.


I like it when a case is made without proven lies.



What lies so far have been shown to be used?

And ironic that you should say the other side doesn't use lies.
I know it wasn't posted here, in this bastion of "fair and balanced" news... but you did see the failed Veritas sting on the Washington Post right? There's some indication that Moore knew about that.
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I’m sure glad I’m not defending Hillary or Moore. I think some folks need a shower.
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Someone pushed Comey to change wording, fact.

Same person who had their hands in A LOT of happenings with political ramifications.....
teedubbya Offline
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What are you responding to or trying to say?


This part not to zrx

I hate hillary. I’ll talk bad about her as much as you want. I think Franken etc are creeps. As a Republican, it’s easy for me st speak I’ll of dems. But when a Republican is scummy or wrong and I say something that makes me a dem.

And there are a bunch of folks in here that seem to think any accusations against a dem are true or proven ignoring any cracks while looking for any crack in accusations against a Republican to prove everything totally false?

Do you really beleive every institution and every thing is stacked for the dems and against the republicans? While the republicans control the entire government? Did or do you really beleive in the birther or other conspiracies?

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The push to discredit mueller is disgusting
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By the way any of the wording against Hillary was inappropriate at the time and unprecedented. It possibly cost her the election, that and being a bad candidate with years of baggage. There should have been no wording waterd down or not. And I’m glad mueller moved the agent when there was even an appearance or perception of lack of objectivity. Trump was mad at sessions for doing similar.


Hillary is a scum who doesn’t deserve to be elected dog catcher. I’m not sure how that helps Moore or president pvssy grabber.
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victor809 wrote:
come on anthony. You're police. You know the procedure.

There are a lot of steps between investigation and locking a person up.
The FBI decided to stop after the investigation step.
The declined to file charges against her
This means there was no trial
This means there was no opportunity for a defense
This means there is no "locking a person up"

Same sh3t as with Moore, except no one is demanding he be locked up. People are just shocked that someone thinks a pedo is more representative of their republican values than a democrat. That's all voting is



Well aware of the procedure. But, look at the context of the posts I responded to and you'll notice my response fits in that context.
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Dems want to beleive and give benefit of doubt to dems but not to Republicans. Republicans want to beleive and give benefit of doubt to reps but not to dems. To the point both will suspend reality and really look silly. They funny part is they see how silly the other side is but not their own.

I think folks in here actually beleive they are being non biased or non partisan. For those that realize there are not but just like the bare knuckled fight I’m cool with that. I used to be that way as well. I just don’t see a use for it now.
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Abrignac wrote:
Well aware of the procedure. But, look at the context of the posts I responded to and you'll notice my response fits in that context.



The context (at least as I understood it) in this thread is that one side wants to "lock her up". They use terms like "guilty" and "illegally", terms which imply specific action regarding courts. These are words which imply that the entire list of steps I mentioned have been completed and completed with a very specific outcome.

I know I am more aggressive about this than TW is comfortable with, but I do believe there is a point where you stop believing you have anything in common with a person, or are ideologically aligned in any way. I believe the burden of proof for this is significantly less than that necessary to "lock her up!!!". It appears to me that there is enough "smoke" that I would be unwilling to ideologically align myself with someone like Moore (note, this is a factor of both the crime and the amount of evidence. I would require more evidence before I would not ideologically align myself with someone who, for instance, was accused of stealing a bottle of key lime water. Because if I accidentally align myself with a key-lime-watter-thief, that's slightly less bad than accidentally aligning oneself with a pedo or nazi).

TL/DR - if someone uses the words "lock her up" they should be showing verdicts, not half-baked claims of conspiracy or incomplete investigations. Hell, I don't even think anyone should be yelling "lock trump up". But voting for someone is in many ways more personal. You are not saying "they agree with the law" you're saying "they align with my values"
teedubbya Offline
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Well it is proven Hillary committed lots of crimes and neither Trump nor Moore have. That’s just a fact.
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teedubbya wrote:
Well it is proven Hillary committed lots of crimes and neither Trump nor Moore have. That’s just a fact.


Definitely a Fact. Capital F fact. Not a fact, which we relegate to less certain ideas like "theory of gravity" (ITSATHEORY!!!) or "maths"....

It's also a Fact that she was going to be put in federal pound-me-in-the-azz prison until Obama had sex with comey to convince him to let it slide. We know this is a Fact because comey got the Kenyan strain of gonorrhea.
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None of this changes the fact that Democrats are way smarter than Republicans and have managed to have absolutely everything rigged all the way back to the time of Obama’s birth and secretly want the Republicans to control all three branches while they really control things.

It’s beautiful.

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Hopefully, the IG will sort this mess out............
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Have you ever worked with the IG abrig?
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