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F.C.C. Announces Plan to Repeal Net Neutrality
MACS Offline
#51 Posted:
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Well... they voted to do it.

I'm not a fan. I think some dirty dealings went down to screw the consumer.
Phil222 Offline
#52 Posted:
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I wouldn't feel so worried over this if there was real competition in the ISP market. Unfortunately, we only have a small handful of monopolies and removing these consumer protections is not gonna do anything to change that. If anything, it solidifies their control over the market.

Maybe I'm just being paranoid about this stuff but if they didn't want to make any changes to the internet and the way they conduct business, why get rid of the consumer protections?
BuckyB93 Offline
#53 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Well... they voted to do it.

I'm not a fan. I think some dirty dealings went down to screw the consumer.


Ya' think?
teedubbya Offline
#54 Posted:
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It’s what trump wanted and why he put his guy in.
Phil222 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
It’s what trump wanted and why he put his guy in.


I thought Obama appointed Pai to the commission?
victor809 Offline
#56 Posted:
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Ya... I don't think this was a Trump thing.

He's an idiotic orange azz... but I think this was Obama's fault
Phil222 Offline
#57 Posted:
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Trump didn't lift a finger to stop this from happening, so he doesn't get a pass on this deal either. He owns this just as much as Obama. Maybe more so...
MACS Offline
#58 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
It’s what trump wanted and why he put his guy in.


I think your bias is showing...
jjanecka Offline
#59 Posted:
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It's a good thing I think. It's always good for the economy to deregulate whenever possible.

Now if we could get privatized education and deregulated healthcare again...
teedubbya Offline
#60 Posted:
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MACS I think you need to look in to why this is happening and by who LMAO.

I wasn’t speculating I was being literal. Do you know this little about it?

Yes trump and his guy wanted it gone and yes that’s why it happened now. Obama and his guy wanted it in, and guess what? That’s why they installed it.

I’m not sure if it’s a good or bad thing to be honest. We do have too much regulation, but some is necessary. Snake oil that killed people comes to mind.
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BREAKING: Verizon lawyer turned FCC chairman announces plan to slash net neutrality, Internet activists will fight him tooth and nail

WASHINGTON, DC – At an event in Washington, DC today Ajit Pai, former Verizon lawyer and new chairman of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), announced his plan to ignore the voices of millions of Americans and slash the Title II based net neutrality protections that prevent Internet Service Providers from discriminating against, censoring, or slowing down websites.

Fight for the Future, a nonpartisan digital rights organization that has lead the largest online protests in history in support of Internet freedom, issued the following statement, which can be attributed to campaign director Evan Greer (pronouns: she/hers:)

“Ajit Pai isn’t even trying to hide the fact that he’s a puppet bureaucrat doing the bidding of companies like Comcast, AT&T, and Verizon (his former employer.) Moving so quickly to slash the protections that millions of Internet users from across the political spectrum fought for is a slap in the face to democracy and poses a serious threat to the future of freedom of expression.

Pai’s speech was an insult to the intelligence of internet users. He attempts to portray basic free speech protections as heavy handed government regulation.

Net neutrality is the First Amendment of the Internet. By ignoring what the public wants and attacking Title II open Internet rules, the FCC is playing with fire and potentially opening the floodgates for widespread censorship.

Paving over the Internet into fast lanes for those who can afford to pay and slow lanes for the rest of us will turn the Web into a place where the wealthiest and most powerful can be heard, while ordinary people and alternative voices are drowned out.

If Ajit Pai thinks that destroying net neutrality is going to be easy, he has another thing coming. Internet users will fight tooth and nail to defend our basic right to connect, create, learn, and share.”

Fight for the Future was instrumental in the massive grassroots campaign that successfully pushed the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to enact the strongest net neutrality protections in US. history last year. They built the page BattleForTheNet.com, which was responsible for more than ¼ of all the net neutrality comments received by the FCC during its feedback process, and were behind the Internet Slowdown protest, the largest online protest since SOPA, which drove nearly 1 million comments to the FCC and hundreds of thousands of phone calls to Congress in a single day, and was supported by more than 40,000 websites including Kickstarter, Etsy, Netflix, and Tumblr.

The group also helped take the fight for net neutrality into the streets with creative protest campaigns like Occupy the FCC and the nationwide Internet Emergency protests, and bombarded the FCC with phone calls from CallTheFCC.org

Fight for the Future is best known for their role in the massive online protests against SOPA, the Stop Online Piracy Act, and continues to organize many of the largest protests in the history of the Internet. Over the summer, they organized the high profile Rock Against the TPP tour featuring many celebrities and well known musicians.

https://www.fightforthefuture.org/news/2017-04-26-breaking-verizon-lawyer-turned-fcc-chairman/


It's not the consumers fault that we have poor internet for the nation and that the carriers purchase crap. This needs to die a thousand deaths.
Phil222 Offline
#62 Posted:
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Obama put the regulations in place to begin with but I'm not naive enough to think it was to help the American people. In my opinion, he did it to help his Silicon Valley buddies who donate millions of dollars to the Democrats every election cycle, because a free and open internet benefits them tremendously.

They don't want to be blocked or throttled anymore than we do, because in their case it could cost them billions. Trump is just siding with the ISP's over Silicon Valley. Both presidents are about big business over the American people and are crap in my opinion, but at least we caught some trickle-down from Obama's regulations to help his friends.

Edit: I wonder if Obama now regrets appointing a Republican, ex-Verizon employee, with a history of being against net-neutrality regulations to the FCC? What favor did he get in return? From what I've read, the vote on this went down party lines 3-2.

If Obama had appointed someone in favor of consumer protections maybe the vote would have been 3-2 in our favor. I guess we will never know...
Phil222 Offline
#63 Posted:
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Under further research, it looks like Obama nominated all of the current commissioners on the FCC with the exception of Brendan Carr. So Obama actually nominated two of the three votes needed to kill net neutrality, including the current chair and ring leader, Ajit Pai. Ouch...
teedubbya Offline
#64 Posted:
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Yes. Obama is the one that wanted this killed not Trump. It’s obvious.

teedubbya Offline
#65 Posted:
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Yes. Obama is the one that wanted this killed not Trump. It’s obvious.

Phil222 Offline
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I wasn't trying to state that Obama wanted it killed. Whether he wanted the consumer protections killed or not is irrelevant to my point. My point is that he shoulders some of the blame for appointing 2 of the 3 people who just killed net neutrality.

It is the same way Trump would be partially responsible if Betsy DeVos killed public education in this country. Or any of Trump's picks screwing up for that matter. Some of that blame would fall on Trump, no?
teedubbya Offline
#67 Posted:
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Obama wanted this and got it. Trump wanted it gone and got it. EVERTHING else is frosting and fluff.

teedubbya Offline
#68 Posted:
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Frankly I think I lean towards being against Obama pushing for this late in his presidency.
Phil222 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Obama wanted this and got it. Trump wanted it gone and got it. EVERTHING else is frosting and fluff.



Do you think Trump would have got it if Obama had appointed people who believed in protecting public interests? Pai was clearly not a regulations guy...
teedubbya Offline
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Don’t get me wrong I get what you are saying about one of the votes/voters but I just don’t find it relevant. In this case everyone has been clear about their intentions. We don’t have to guess.


Note: I deleted a post because I’m tired and it was repetitive.
teedubbya Offline
#71 Posted:
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I actually like Pai. He strikes me as a smart guy with a sense of humor.
Phil222 Offline
#72 Posted:
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Apparently I know as much about government as Trump Jr. A tweet in this article states that the minority party must hold 2 of the 5 FCC seats and I guess that is why Obama appointed Pai and the other anit-regulation guy in the first place.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/12/15/trump-jr-tweet/954564001/

If this is true then I was wrong in saying that Obama was partly responsible for this. I can admit when I'm wrong.

More to come in the future on this topic…stay tuned. Beer
teedubbya Offline
#73 Posted:
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I don’t think it makes you wrong. I didn’t know that either.

All I know is trump wanted it gone, has said as much, and it happened. Vice versatile for obama.

Trump supporters who are against this decision have to accept it as a decision from their guy that they disagree with or support the decision. I have to accept it might be a decision by trump I might agree with (to be honest I’m not sure yet but it was a later Obammy thing and I have to ask why so late, why now and always question last minute presidential moves).

Since I have no love for obammy or trump it makes it difficult because I can’t turn off my brain and support my guy.

But MACS - it’s your guys decision. No bias involved.
teedubbya Offline
#74 Posted:
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Versa not versatile. Damn autocorrect.
delta1 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
I actually like Pai. He strikes me as a smart guy with a sense of humor.


Except that he's wrong when he believes that de-regulating ISPs will result in better internet experiences for everyone...how do you like your cable company? This controversy is reminiscent of the debate when cable companies were de-regulated...

Rich people who own the ISPs will get richer, those who can afford to buy superior service over throttled down services will pay, the average consumer can take the basic service and shut up...


Incentive to innovate may go up, to work around the mega ISPs...that's how the cracker-jacks who rail against the "system" roll...kinda like bypassing dish and cable networks...
delta1 Offline
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and if Trump wants it...it's because Obama didn't...haven't you guys been paying attention to his agenda? It's all been anti-Obama...name one instance where he's supported an Obama order, policy, executive decision...
Phil222 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
(to be honest I’m not sure yet but it was a later Obammy thing and I have to ask why so late, why now and always question last minute presidential moves).


I don't know how accurate this is but from what I have read net neutrality was an "unwritten" law for many years and Obama finally inked it after public outrage and pressure from some big donors over some ISP shenanigans.

I can’t be certain because I wasn’t paying attention when all of this went down the first time but this explanation does seem to fit the timeline and makes a lot of sense.
HockeyDad Offline
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Wasn't this an "end of the world - sky is falling" thing a couple of years ago when it was passed?

At least I was still able to log in and post. Must be my platinum status.
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HockeyDad wrote:
Wasn't this an "end of the world - sky is falling" thing a couple of years ago when it was passed?

At least I was still able to log in and post. Must be my platinum status.

nice to have you back...gonna miss you when the ban hits
HockeyDad Offline
#80 Posted:
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I wonder if I can rig a ham radio with a 14.4 modem to get around this internet apocalypse.
tailgater Offline
#81 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
. Must be my platinum status.


Shhhhh!

Phil222 Offline
#82 Posted:
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Probably laughed about this one too...

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/03/30/how-will-isps-collect-and-sell-your-browser-history.html

This bill had like 7% public approval and they passed it anyways. ^^^

I find it hilarious that our government doesn't represent our interests too.
Phil222 Offline
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A bill to preserve net-neutrality rules now has its first GOP backer. Sen. Collins stated, "She believes that a careful, deliberative process involving experts and the public is warranted to ensure that consumers have strong protections that guarantee consumer choice, free markets and continued growth.”

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/368164-senate-bill-that-would-preserve-net-neutrality-rules-wins-first-gop
victor809 Offline
#84 Posted:
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Her constituents prolly found out that repealing net neutrality may make their porn downloads slower... or not accessible without a premium subscription
Brewha Offline
#85 Posted:
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The GOP worried about the public???

When the f*ck did that happen?
Phil222 Offline
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#84...Yeah, their gonna have to go back to jerkin it to magazines again...
victor809 Offline
#87 Posted:
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Phil222 wrote:
#84...Yeah, their gonna have to go back to jerkin it to magazines again...


Old school....
frankj1 Offline
#88 Posted:
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and Heff is dead, so, y'know...
banderl Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Her constituents prolly found out that repealing net neutrality may make their porn downloads slower... or not accessible without a premium subscription



Are you saying that one can find porn on the internet?
Brewha Offline
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banderl wrote:
Are you saying that one can find porn on the internet?

Yes - sounds like you hardly go to the internets.

If they took al the porn off of the nets, there would only be one site left. and it would be called "Bring Back the Porn".
Phil222 Offline
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Joe Rogan Talks To FCC Commissioner About Net Neutrality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsvFTD_Ls7o
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