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Flynn Pleads Guilty, agrees to cooperate
teedubbya Offline
#51 Posted:
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I use that example because it’s the first time I can remember wondering why folks couldn’t see the obvious. They wanted to beleive.

The same thing drove some of the birthers, they wanted to beleive. It was dumb, but what the wanted to beleive trumped all logic. Birther followers were brain dead. Birther leaders didn’t believe it they used it on those that wanted to beleive.

It’s not a direct one to one comparison and not perfect. But some of the same things apply.
teedubbya Offline
#52 Posted:
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By the way I think Trump himself will weather it. Bruised not beaten. I think he’ll serve his full term.
Brewha Offline
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Trump is the front man for the few who own this country, so it will be interesting. But I don’t think they will give him up.
bs_kwaj Offline
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"... working with the Russians."

What does that mean? Just curious.

Beer
DrafterX Offline
#55 Posted:
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Lance had a lotta balls... Mellow
Brewha Offline
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bs_kwaj wrote:
"... working with the Russians."

What does that mean? Just curious.

Beer

Well, that is the crux of the biscuit. I’d like to know too.

But I’m sure they wern’t exchanging borscht recipes....
frankj1 Offline
#57 Posted:
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bs_kwaj wrote:
"... working with the Russians."

What does that mean? Just curious.

Beer

i guess we're gonna find out.

one thing I've heard bandied about is private citizens working for foreign governments against US interests...

this may end up more Ukraine than Russia, if there's even anything to it.
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DrafterX wrote:
Lance had a lotta balls... Mellow

Not any more Anxious
teedubbya Offline
#59 Posted:
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Lance cut corners to win at all cost. He didn’t get caught until after he won but was accuse long before. It could also be argued everyone else did it too.

But Hillary
frankj1 Offline
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I heard Lance had on removed to cut down on wind resistance.

But Hillary...
RMAN4443 Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
I heard Lance had on removed to cut down on wind resistance.

But Hillary...

I heard Hillary had a top secret Addadicktomy in Bengazi, and all pictures of before and after were stored on her private server...........Anthony Weiner used to like to look at them when he was "chatting" on the phoneAnxious
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RMAN4443 wrote:
I heard Hillary had a top secret Addadicktomy in Bengazi, and all pictures of before and after were stored on her private server...........Anthony Weiner used to like to look at them when he was "chatting" on the phoneAnxious

nicely put together, Rick!
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Pretty sure that's true.. that's why she limps and staggers and stuff... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
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Hillary Tripod?
DrafterX Offline
#65 Posted:
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No, apparently they cut off the big to do that procedure.. or so I heard anyways... Mellow
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And ABC printed a "correction"

During a live Special Report, ABC News reported that a confidant of Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn said Flynn was prepared to testify that then-candidate Donald Trump instructed him to contact Russian officials during the campaign.

That source later clarified that during the campaign, Trump assigned Flynn and a small circle of other senior advisers to find ways to repair relations with Russia and other hot spots.

It was shortly after the election, that President-elect Trump directed Flynn to contact Russian officials on topics that included working jointly against ISIS.
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#67 Posted:
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Nothing wrong with that.. Mellow
delta1 Offline
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yeah there is...you can't have two guys driving the Presidential car...Obama was still the President and Trump was the President-Elect, who would not take office until January 20. Until then, he can't get involved in US foreign affairs with any country, especially not the one that the sitting President just imposed additional sanctions against for interfering in the recent election.

It looks and feels even worse when that country was known to be helping the President-elect win. So you believe they were just saying "hope you had a merry Christmas...happy holidays"...

I suspect there's a recording of Flynn telling the Russians " sure, I can figure out where to put that money... and don't worry about those new sanctions the Kenyan Boy just announced...the Big Guy will take care of those in a few weeks..."
teedubbya Offline
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We just need to wait and see. Mueller seems to have a plan. Maybe that includes the President maybe not.

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teedubbya wrote:
We just need to wait and see. Mueller seems to have a plan. Maybe that includes the President maybe not.


I can wait, either way.

I also doubt it ends up taking down Trump...there's a good reason it isn't so easy to remove a sitting president.
But the money/influence trail is long and has years of history, and those are the people he picked. Probably those people go down instead.
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This was all about Trump's team colluding with the Russians to fix the election right..?? Huh

What happened happened after the election.. as President elect Trump had the right to instruct his soon to be security advisor to make inquiries.. why he lied is the question.. maybe he thought he did somethin wrong but the legal experts opinions I've heard differ... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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Maybe he’s just dumb (the newest theory trump is currently floating and you are repeating) or maybe there is more we don’t know. All I know is the goalposts keep moving.
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DrafterX wrote:
This was all about Trump's team colluding with the Russians to fix the election right..?? Huh

What happened happened after the election.. as President elect Trump had the right to instruct his soon to be security advisor to make inquiries.. why he lied is the question.. maybe he thought he did somethin wrong but the legal experts opinions I've heard differ... Mellow

I think it's a wider examination of the deep connections to Russians linked to Putin himself, and related stuff like the millions of dollars that flowed from Russia and Russian supporting Ukrainian "businesses" and government personnel, to Manafort and Flynn and others, all of which could/did? compromise US interests and policy.

Fixing the election? Probably too strong of a theory. Creating opinions in America to influence the election through a myriad of methods like social networks and fake news by Russian agencies definitely happened. We need to know if Trump's campaign played a role.

I know you'd be less uneasy if it were limited to election fixing, but think about Whitewater which did lead to impeachment proceedings. That started as an investigation of insider stuff in a real estate development deal! Many forget that. It ended with a BJ. And the principals actually lost 200K if I recall correctly. And the lead panel all ended up being shamefully guilty of similar infidelity, but never was national policy involved.

Nixon's unnecessary break-in at the Watergate was far more threatening to America's sacred election process, and is more closely related to this investigation, yet still different.

A whole bunch of stuff seems to overlap here, much will end up as dead ends, some will be bad but unrelated, still more is just coincidental, but damaging...like possible promises of easing Obama's proper sanctions of Russia in exchange for a promise from Putin to stand down until Trump took over..."coincidentally" followed by glowing statements from Trump about how he knew Putin was smart. It felt like Trump the marketing and branding master was at work rather than the leader of the free world...at least to me.

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Is saying Putin was smart a bad thing..?? Would saying he was a dumb ass been more appropriate..?? Or perhaps being dreamy as TW says.... Mellow
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#74

added to several pre-election quotes in which Trump expressed admiration for Putin, it just kinda looks like he was almost paying Putin back for standing down by assisting in raising the public opinion of Americans of Putin. Never forget that Trump is a master at creating brand/image/publicity. And all this admiration for a brutal head of state? Softening the truth maybe?

But why are you limiting the focus to such narrow definitions?

Don't you see all the money paid to people candidate Trump surrounded himself with as advisers, money paid long before he was even a candidate? Some proven was spent to improve public opinions of brutal dictators. All paid to his closest advisers.

It needs to be looked at thoroughly. Let's give the processes of our way of life a chance to play out, processes that I, for one, believe in strongly.
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ABC News announced Saturday that Chief Investigative Correspondent Brian Ross had been suspended for four weeks without pay over a botched "exclusive" about former national security adviser Michael Flynn.


Ross' suspension is effective immediately. ABC News spokeswoman Heather Riley would not comment on whether anyone else had been suspended in connection with the error.


During a live "special report" Friday morning, Ross reported that Flynn would testify that Donald Trump had ordered him to make contact with Russians about foreign policy while Trump was still a candidate. The report raised the specter of Trump's impeachment and sent the stock market plummeting.


Later in the day, ABC News -- part of the reliably liberal Disney ABC Television Network -- issued a "clarification" to Ross's report, saying that Trump's alleged directive came after he'd been elected president. That's a key distinction in any investigation of Russian actions during the campaign. Ross himself appeared on "World News Tonight" several hours after the initial report to clarify his error.

In a statement, ABC News said Ross' report "had not been fully vetted through our editorial standards process."

"It is vital we get the story right and retain the trust we have built with our audience," ABC's statement added. "These are our core principles. We fell far short of that yesterday."


Film at 11... Think
frankj1 Offline
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not to forget as well was the attempts by Trump to get an inside position as a developer in Russia.
Long a goal before he saw the presidency as an easy steal.
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DrafterX wrote:
ABC News announced Saturday that Chief Investigative Correspondent Brian Ross had been suspended for four weeks without pay over a botched "exclusive" about former national security adviser Michael Flynn.


Ross' suspension is effective immediately. ABC News spokeswoman Heather Riley would not comment on whether anyone else had been suspended in connection with the error.


During a live "special report" Friday morning, Ross reported that Flynn would testify that Donald Trump had ordered him to make contact with Russians about foreign policy while Trump was still a candidate. The report raised the specter of Trump's impeachment and sent the stock market plummeting.


Later in the day, ABC News -- part of the reliably liberal Disney ABC Television Network -- issued a "clarification" to Ross's report, saying that Trump's alleged directive came after he'd been elected president. That's a key distinction in any investigation of Russian actions during the campaign. Ross himself appeared on "World News Tonight" several hours after the initial report to clarify his error.

In a statement, ABC News said Ross' report "had not been fully vetted through our editorial standards process."

"It is vital we get the story right and retain the trust we have built with our audience," ABC's statement added. "These are our core principles. We fell far short of that yesterday."


Film at 11... Think

let it all happen. I'm waiting for everything to be added up. And you just might end up happy.

Believe in the process. It will keep us free.
DrafterX Offline
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Not necessarily happy.. prolly just pissed off at the fake news that so many believe.. opinions aren't news.. Mellow
delta1 Offline
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Yup...there have now been four witches caught in the on-going hunt...

I'm not sure, but was it only broadcast on the "fake news"? It's too painful to watch Fox anymore...got some real hot wimmin saying mean things...
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Did fox have to suspend a reporter for lying and print a "correction"??


LMMFAO.....

FAKE NEWS, and Ol'Cheeto was right again.
delta1 Offline
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and he's been wrong so many times, it's pointless to say "again"...
DrafterX Offline
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It's kinda fun tho right..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
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Fox has before and will again. They should in those situations. If they don’t thats what would make them fake.

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Fox News is fair and balanced.. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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In the sense they are skewed way right to balance out the others that are skewed way left that’s true. In the sense of playing it down the middle no way.

Shep is the only one doing that.

They are a little more credible than Tyler Durden and kaiser Sosa though.
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They're 'unafraid' too... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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If Flynn says trump ordered him etc trump could always just say he was kidding and stuff.
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True.. true... Mellow
Brewha Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Fox News is fair and balanced.. Mellow

I sure you don’t see the irony of that statement:

News is supposed to be factual, complete and unbiased. “Fairness” is dependent on the opinion of the presenter as to what is fair. “Balance” also requires opinion as to what a true ballance is.

The the tag line of Fox News is telling you that they are presenting opinions.
Which most of the peeps would rather have than facts. ‘Cause it’s easier to have someone draw conclusions for you, especially if it comes with the yummy taste of outrage.

Bon appetit....
DrafterX Offline
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Just imagine the outrage if all we had was ABC and CNN telling us what to think ... Mellow
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-nunes-blows-up-threatens-contempt-after-fbi-stonewalls-house-on-russia-investigator-demoted-for-anti-trump-bias/article/2642387
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As expected... they demoted a biased investigator...
DrafterX Offline
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Well, he wasn't very smart... Mellow
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Brewha wrote:
I sure you don’t see the irony of that statement:

News is supposed to be factual, complete and unbiased. “Fairness” is dependent on the opinion of the presenter as to what is fair. “Balance” also requires opinion as to what a true ballance is.

The the tag line of Fox News is telling you that they are presenting opinions.
Which most of the peeps would rather have than facts. ‘Cause it’s easier to have someone draw conclusions for you, especially if it comes with the yummy taste of outrage.

Bon appetit....


You finally get it.

Foxnews is one big op ed.
They're pretty straight forward in regards to that. They wear their bias on their sleeve and then invite spirited debate. Sure, they stack the deck in their favor, but Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly et al aren't pretending to be Dan Rather.

Meanwhile, CNN, NBC and their liberal brethren DO pretend to be actual news sources.

Give me the actual Fox, rather than one in sheep's clothing.


teedubbya Offline
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Fox has some straight down the middle reporting and some opinion stuff like you identify above. CNN, MSNBC same thing. They are more alike than similar, they just lean different ways. If you see them all for what they are you can sort through things and draw your own conclusions.

The problem is too many folks dont see them for what they are. All of them. there is about an hour a day on both of straight reporting and about 23 of morton downy Jr. (ok I exaggerate)
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There's alot of debate on Fox.. makes it interesting.. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
There's alot of debate on Fox.. makes it interesting.. Mellow



And CNN etc.
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Prescipted and subliminal messages.... Mellow
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True. But cnn etc do that too.
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