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victor809 Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 5:08 PM EST
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Both the orange menace and the RNC are throwing their support behind an accused pedophile?

While the evidence that this guy had a serious predilection for girls in their early teens, including writing a creepy card to them, mounts up (phrasing!) the republicans are going to double down on their new motto of "Nazis and pedophiles aren't that bad"....
dstieger Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 5:12 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Both the orange menace and the RNC are throwing their support behind an accused pedophile?

While the evidence that this guy had a serious predilection for girls in their early teens, including writing a creepy card to them, mounts up (phrasing!) the republicans are going to double down on their new motto of "Nazis and pedophiles aren't that bad"....


'accused' is the operative word, apparently

and some of those girls that have come forward were in their late teens...so his predilection wasn't exclusionary


The country elected a self-proclaimed ***** grabber....what do you expect?
victor809 Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 5:24 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
'accused' is the operative word, apparently

and some of those girls that have come forward were in their late teens...so his predilection wasn't exclusionary


The country elected a self-proclaimed ***** grabber....what do you expect?


You're right. And if this were a trial, I would say "accused" is a very important word.

But the party that brought us "lock her up" is very silent on this topic.

As for the age range... yeah, seems to go from 14 to 18... when he was in his 30s. And he apparently this was bad enough that he's creeping on random young girls at the mall... or recitals when he doesn't have a child there?....

I feel like anyone who's willing to endorse someone like this with a "he's just been accused" should be required to have him babysit their teen daughter.

teedubbya Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 7:20 PM EST
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There are good peoples on many sides, many sides
JadeRose Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 7:29 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
There are good peoples on many sides, many sides




Thanks Drafte...uhhmmm....Tee.
teedubbya Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 7:41 PM EST
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14 year olds need lovin’ too
teedubbya Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 7:43 PM EST
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There does seem to be a new playbook. Denounce the horrible immediately then gradually back off the denouncement until you support and fund it.
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#8 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 7:51 PM EST
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We need better candidates... Choosing between the lesser of two evils is getting old... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 7:55 PM EST
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ButHillaryX wrote:
We need better candidates... Choosing between the lesser of two evils is getting old... and a pedophile Trumps a liberal every day and twice on Tuesday. Mellow



True..true..
victor809 Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 7:56 PM EST
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drafter she wrote:

We need better candidates... Choosing between the lesser of two evils is getting old... Mellow


Ummm... Are you really comparing choosing between an accused pedophile and a democrat with "choosing between the lesser of two evils"?

If that's a tough choice for people to make then I really can't joke about republicans being the party of "Nazis and pedophiles aren't that bad". It's just not a funny joke when it's true
DrafterX Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 7:58 PM EST
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So he's been convicted..?? When did that happen..?? Huh
victor809 Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 7:59 PM EST
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That shouldn't matter to a group of people who chanted "lock her up" in their political rallies.
teedubbya Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 8:01 PM EST
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He was covicted right after both Clinton’s and right before Weinstein Conyers and Franken.
victor809 Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 8:02 PM EST
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Wow... trump's been super busy...Where's he finding time to lock all these people up between his golf games?
DrafterX Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 8:03 PM EST
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You guys crack me up... Laugh
teedubbya Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 8:04 PM EST
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It’s a short term seat. I find it strange the number of people (if you want to call out politicians that) willing to sacrifice their integrity for such short term gain. It’s telling.
teedubbya Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 8:06 PM EST
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WWBCD?

Hey hey hey... it’s fat Albert
DrafterX Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 8:08 PM EST
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Well I'm not voting for him... Or campaigning for him.... But I'm suppose to believe accusations from 40 years ago and publicly condemn him..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 8:08 PM EST
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I honestly think the GOP is making a mistake here and the Dems are playing the long game with Conyers. Stuart Smalley is another story.
teedubbya Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 8:09 PM EST
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Drafter the only time you seam to beleive any accusations is when a D follows the name.
DrafterX Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 8:11 PM EST
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Well, at least I'm consistent.. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 8:14 PM EST
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True true.

I get the whole innocent until proven guilty thing and am very uncomfortable with the accusation being considered enough. I’m actually sympathetic to that. In a vacuum I agree. But if you don’t apply that to those you politically disagree with and do for those you do then you lose all credibility to anyone not in your echo chamber.
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#23 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 8:20 PM EST
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I honestly hadn't thought that much about it... Luckily I've got friends willing to pass judgement on me anyways.. Laugh
victor809 Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 8:22 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
True true.

I get the whole innocent until proven guilty thing and am very uncomfortable with the accusation being considered enough. I’m actually sympathetic to that. In a vacuum I agree. But if you don’t apply that to those you politically disagree with and do for those you do then you lose all credibility to anyone not in your echo chamber.



I agree TW with the idea of "innocent until proven guilty" if we were talking about locking him up.

But we aren't and we never will. The statute of limitations expired a long time ago and he will never face any punishment for anything he may have done then.

We aren't talking about meting out punishment. We are talking about making a decision as to who represents you better... a democrat, or a dude who apparently was a running joke in his community about keeping him away from 15 year old girls.

Nobody is chanting "lock him up" here. We are just aghast that the republican party apparently believes a pedophile is more in line with their interests than a democrat.
victor809 Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 8:25 PM EST
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Ironically, one of trumps tweets about the pedo was "We need (Moore's) vote on stopping crime, illegal immigration, Border Wall, Military, Pro Life, V.A., Judges 2nd Amendment and more,"

Not one smidgen of irony in calling out a pedo and accused rapist of being tough on crime....
teedubbya Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 8:29 PM EST
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I am still uncomfortable with an accusation having the power to take someone down and the rush to condem (even if short of convict) because the victim is a child or women etc. how can you argue about erring to protect a child or woman? It makes it impossible to get a fair shake. So I get it. Regardless of Party. It’s not political to me.

When multiple accusations flow in and they seem pretty legit that’s where I start to feel more comfortable condemning and less comfortable saying yea but they are in my political party. I think Bill Cosby is a creep that will never get convicted of anything. I don’t know his party.

It’s not clean. I don’t know how folks could support Moore at this point.
victor809 Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 8:36 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I don’t know how folks could support Moore at this point.



.... but really, are we surprised?
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#28 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 9:12 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I don’t know how folks could support Moore at this point.


Many aren't and that is why he is behind in the polls. I would vote for him if the talking heads in DC would do what they first indicated. And that would be to remove him as soon as he arrived in DC and the seat would come back to the state for an appointment or another election.

Just don't trust them.
teedubbya Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 9:24 PM EST
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It’s a short term seat. You’d vote for someone you think might be a pedophile just to get a republican in and hope for the best? For a short term seat? Even if the dc folks followed through (they won’t) look at the timeline.
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#30 Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017, 10:13 PM EST
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last I heard he was actually leading in the polls.
Burner02 Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Dec 6 2017, 7:22 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
last I heard he was actually leading in the polls.



May have changed yesterday but last I heard he was 3 points behind.
Burner02 Offline
#32 Posted: Wed, Dec 6 2017, 7:28 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
It’s a short term seat. You’d vote for someone you think might be a pedophile just to get a republican in and hope for the best? For a short term seat? Even if the dc folks followed through (they won’t) look at the timeline.



Moore is like the battery rabbit, he just keeps on going and going. If defeated it is probably just a short time before he pops up in state politics again. If removed I feel like there is a greater likely hood that he is finished for ever.
teedubbya Offline
#33 Posted: Wed, Dec 6 2017, 8:08 AM EST
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So vote a possible pedophile in to office to get rid of him forever? Quite the rationalization. Since he is running against the establishment, and that’s who would presumably remove him it seems to me that would galvanize him. The opposite.

Besides he likely would not get removed and even if he did it would take most of the time remaining in the seat and he could run again. It almost assures he will be in the mix without ever leaving it.

A loss would at a minimum show disdain for him and maybe kill or at least slow his career.

A vote for someone is quite simply a vote fior someone no matter how much you want to pretend it isn’t.
teedubbya Offline
#34 Posted: Wed, Dec 6 2017, 8:18 AM EST
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The minute this guy wins he begins running again even if not removed. It’s a short seat.

If an ethics investigation is conducted that will absolutely fire up his base. Particularly the who is Washington to tell us who to elect crowd.

All the gyrations aside you support this dude or not. I think there’s enough smoke around him to make it a you think an accused pedophile is better than a Democrat scenario. To me that’s a sad philosophy.
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#35 Posted: Wed, Dec 6 2017, 8:41 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
The minute this guy wins he begins running again even if not removed. It’s a short seat.

If an ethics investigation is conducted that will absolutely fire up his base. Particularly the who is Washington to tell us who to elect crowd.

All the gyrations aside you support this dude or not. I think there’s enough smoke around him to make it a you think an accused pedophile is better than a Democrat scenario. To me that’s a sad philosophy.



I don't live in Alabama. It's on them. Who they elect or not elect is a reflection of who they chose to represent their state.

It is Alabama after all.
teedubbya Offline
#36 Posted: Wed, Dec 6 2017, 8:43 AM EST
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Oh I totally get that and agree.

Just don’t pretend it’s anything different than it is (not directed at you)
teedubbya Offline
#37 Posted: Wed, Dec 6 2017, 8:44 AM EST
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We elected a dead guy in Missouri.
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#38 Posted: Wed, Dec 6 2017, 8:47 AM EST
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I'm not.

Everyone making hay about it...is folly. The Establishment? Outsiders?

Who cares what they think or believe. It's on the voters of that state. It's not a great place to be, but seeing the current environment of whom chooses to be in Politics today...it doesn't matter. The other guy is probably as shady and the boots haven't dropped yet. We get the leadership we deserve.

We turned our collective backs on what was important decades ago and let the Federal government decide for us. It's trickled down to the local level now. Can't stop the "avalanche" even if you wanted to.
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#39 Posted: Wed, Dec 6 2017, 8:47 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
We elected a dead guy in Missouri.


He was prolly a pedo. God's preemptive strike!
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#40 Posted: Wed, Dec 6 2017, 9:33 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
So vote a possible pedophile in to office to get rid of him forever? Quite the rationalization. Since he is running against the establishment, and that’s who would presumably remove him it seems to me that would galvanize him. The opposite.

Besides he likely would not get removed and even if he did it would take most of the time remaining in the seat and he could run again. It almost assures he will be in the mix without ever leaving it.

A loss would at a minimum show disdain for him and maybe kill or at least slow his career.

A vote for someone is quite simply a vote fior someone no matter how much you want to pretend it isn’t.




teedubbya wrote:
14 year olds need lovin’ too





So based on your above comment on a public forum....your a " possible pedophile ".....Right??? lol
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#41 Posted: Wed, Dec 6 2017, 9:41 AM EST
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The Republicans think he will win. Isn't that what really matters?
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#42 Posted: Wed, Dec 6 2017, 12:05 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:

It’s not clean. I don’t know how folks could support Moore at this point.


-Because 70+% of Alabama R's don't believe the accusations?

I think you gotta wrap your head around that first.

Whatever you and I or ANYONE else outside of AL think about the allegations, the good folks of Alabama don't believe it. Period. Discussion over.

-Of the 17% percent that do believe there might be truth to the accusations, I suspect that many will fall into a few different categories and vote for him anyway:
- "The sleaze was all 40 years ago..I'm not too concerned"
- "Really? Try to find a 70 year old straight Alabama male who DIDN"T hit on 14 year olds in his 20's or 30's"
- "The **** is bad, but not worse than possibly electing someone who might vote for abortion....or gay rights"


I think its more surprising that you're surprised...than that he could still win easily
teedubbya Offline
#43 Posted: Wed, Dec 6 2017, 12:08 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:





So based on your above comment on a public forum....your a " possible pedophile ".....Right??? lol



You do understand sarcasm right? and my comment was actually directed at the possible pedo in a sarcastic fashion specifically based on the accusations? I refuse to believe you don't understand this, no one is that dumb LOL
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#44 Posted: Wed, Dec 6 2017, 12:11 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
-Because 70+% of Alabama R's don't believe the accusations?

I think you gotta wrap your head around that first.

Whatever you and I or ANYONE else outside of AL think about the allegations, the good folks of Alabama don't believe it. Period. Discussion over.

-Of the 17% percent that do believe there might be truth to the accusations, I suspect that many will fall into a few different categories and vote for him anyway:
- "The sleaze was all 40 years ago..I'm not too concerned"
- "Really? Try to find a 70 year old straight Alabama male who DIDN"T hit on 14 year olds in his 20's or 30's"
- "The **** is bad, but not worse than possibly electing someone who might vote for abortion....or gay rights"


I think its more surprising that you're surprised...than that he could still win easily



Maybe so. I'm becoming less and less surprised by peoples ability to selectively dumb themselves down.
teedubbya Offline
#45 Posted: Wed, Dec 6 2017, 12:12 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
He was prolly a pedo. God's preemptive strike!



Actually the dead guy was simply dead. The guy he beat became Bush's AG and promptly covered up all the boobs on the statues.
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#46 Posted: Wed, Dec 6 2017, 6:23 PM EST
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Do the statues in Alabama have boobs? Or are the statues boobs?

The guys in here from Alabama seem like decent guys to me...Burner02, madspackler and SmokeMonkey...I doubt if any of them are into pedophilia...but I won't be rude and ask them if they'll vote for Moore...
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#47 Posted: Wed, Dec 6 2017, 7:15 PM EST
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Al, I’m pretty sure you can guess where I stand, but the allegations had no impact on where my vote will go. Alabama is a wonderful place, regardless of the outcome.
delta1 Offline
#48 Posted: Wed, Dec 6 2017, 7:21 PM EST
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I dated a girl whose family was from Alabama. Lovely girl...
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#49 Posted: Wed, Dec 6 2017, 7:22 PM EST
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How old did she tell you she was?
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#50 Posted: Wed, Dec 6 2017, 7:25 PM EST
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well tickle me...that was funny...now that you ask, I'm not sure how old she was except that I met her at a club that served alcoholic beverages, and required ID for proof of age 21...
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