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frankj1 Offline
#101 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 11:24 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
YES....they're here illegally and untold amounts of taxpayer funded resources are used up on them WITHOUT our approval as our men and Women in our military forces who have ALREADY GIVEN cannot now receive the proper medical care they so desperately DESERVE!!
Their bending the ears of OUR....get that OUR elected officials to be sympathetic to their cause and go AGAINST what the MAJORITY of Americans want. I'm sorry I do NOT feel as though we OWE them ANYTHING...and I want all that $$$$ spent on these law breakers to go to OUR CHILDREN and GRANDCHILDREN.

If they( the F'n dreamers) want to be pissed @ someone or something....let them focus their angst on THEIR PARENTS or the corrupt Sh*thole government they they came from and now abandoned.

DACA kids actually registered, that's how we know who they are specifically.

And I can't quote specific numbers, but these aren't the illegals costing money at all. The opposite is true.

An enormous percent have completed high school and beyond, served in OUR military, and have paid their full share of taxes.

I have a problem with children being considered criminals because of their parents, though I understand your feeling that illegal is illegal...but wouldn't you agree with me that these kids have grown up to be pretty much what we want immigrants to become in America? Positive forces, earning and paying their way and actually outperforming kids born here?

We know neither of us will change, but it's a good debate.
deadeyedick Offline
#102 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 11:32 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I assumed it...and I do know the assume rule!


Does not apply to to genius. Angel
ZRX1200 Offline
#103 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 12:00 PM EST
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Frank the average DACA age is 24 you can drop the "kids" line.
Phil222 Offline
#104 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 12:13 PM EST
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The cost of losing DACA recipients to our economy is pretty big. That is the reason why I think Republicans will end up making a deal to keep them here. They pretend that they're against illegal immigration when really it's straight out of the right-wing neo-con playbook. They love it because it helps corporations and the economy...more customers, plus more workers to drive down wages = more $$$

When the Koch brothers founded CATO Institute is showing numbers in favor of keeping illegals, you know what time it is...

http://time.com/money/4928394/daca-economic-cost-trump/
teedubbya Offline
#105 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 12:13 PM EST
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From what I see deals keep getting made and goalposts keep moving once the people in the room change. Not just on this.

As for the rhetoric of not finding the military and choosing them over blah blah blah... that sure is different than last time.

I’m not bagging on either side I’m bagging on both. It’s funny how differently folks in here treat it depending on where their guy sits. It’s absurd yet many can’t see this.

We need bipartisanship. This little experiment with both sides needing 100% victory has been a disaster and failure and needs to end. It’s the whole reason we haven’t been on a normal funding cycle for years.

Many in here want it. They consider the other side the enemy and need 100% victory. Some, who I have zero respect, think the other party is more evil than enemy countries run by dictators.

The other party isn’t the enemy. There are good people on all sides, all sides. Finding the silver lineing and some reason in the other side isn’t becoming them, compromise is good (Reagan thought so).

The 100% my way or not at all crowd was the fringe and amusing. It’s not amusing anymore and is dangerous. It’s not what our country is or ever has been. That’s what drives the ugliest countries in the world yet what some in here seem to want.

I’m hopeful this little experience will push those freaks back to the fringes and what made this country great and special will prevail again.

DrafterX Offline
#106 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 12:28 PM EST
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Thanks for standing with me man.. ThumpUp
delta1 Offline
#107 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 12:38 PM EST
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well said...


some observations...I remember many on the cons side celebrating during the last shutdown, thinking that was the key to bringing down Obamacare...but where was the "military vs healthcare" argument then.....the same people are now outraged, framing the debate as military over illegals now....and outraged that the Dems wouldn't cave to avoid a shutdown, like they did then?

and yet both shutdown votes come with a resolution to fund the military even if there is a shutdown...


all in the name of political gamesmanship/brinksmanship...something the people who voted for Trump allegedly wanted to end, but who seem to enjoy one side (theirs) sticking it to the other without looking for solutions that all Americans can live with...an idea from when America was greater...
frankj1 Offline
#108 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 1:19 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Frank the average DACA age is 24 you can drop the "kids" line.

now they are 24, yes.
They didn't go to college and serve in the military upon arrival as "criminal" children
frankj1 Offline
#109 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 1:25 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Meanwhile, we're all eating gumdrops falling from the sky while riding our unicorns.


Frankie T, I hope you were being sarcastic.

nope.
Phil222 Offline
#110 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 2:45 PM EST
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Agreed. A shutdown represents an unwillingness to compromise on both sides. Unacceptable. Maybe too many old vendettas there to function properly. Incumbents need to go and we need to hit the reset button.
banderl Offline
#111 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 3:12 PM EST
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If only we had a great negotiator to straighten this out.
DrafterX Offline
#112 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 3:16 PM EST
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I really don't remember celebration for the last shutdown.. it sounds nice and all but I'm not sure it happened... Think
banderl Offline
#113 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 3:21 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I really don't remember celebration for the last shutdown.. it sounds nice and all but I'm not sure it happened... Think



You celebrating?
You elected a great negotiator who couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag.
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#114 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 3:25 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
DACA kids actually registered, that's how we know who they are specifically.

And I can't quote specific numbers, but these aren't the illegals costing money at all. The opposite is true.

An enormous percent have completed high school and beyond, served in OUR military, and have paid their full share of taxes.

I have a problem with children being considered criminals because of their parents, though I understand your feeling that illegal is illegal...but wouldn't you agree with me that these kids have grown up to be pretty much what we want immigrants to become in America? Positive forces, earning and paying their way and actually outperforming kids born here?

We know neither of us will change, but it's a good debate.


There you go again, applying logic to yet another thread. Have you no shame, sir?
Phil222 Offline
#115 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 3:58 PM EST
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Illegal immigrants in this country cost tax-payers insane amounts of money. Numbers show DACA recipients to be a net-benefit to the economy, as are most 2nd/3rd generation immigrants. Does a net-benefit to the economy really help our current immigrants and the average American? At the moment it depends on how much you support trickle-down theory.

Some like George Borjas have argued that first genereation immigrants transfer money from the bottom to the top in this country. I happen to agree with him. Doesn't mean that I don't want legal immigration in this country. Quite the opposite. Just looking for better policies that we actually enforce. Most people want DACA to stay. Most people also want immigration reform.
Speyside Offline
#116 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 4:09 PM EST
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Sometime the can kicking of the budget has to stop. The government shut down has happened before and will happen again. Democrats do not trust the president or the republicans to do any DACA legislation. Why would they? As a whole dreamers are solid people, not criminals. Those that I know add to our society. As part of comprehensive immigration reform there should be granted a path to citizenship.
JadeRose Offline
#117 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 4:10 PM EST
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If you're worried about who is to blame, you're part of the problem. Vote em all out.
Phil222 Offline
#118 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 4:11 PM EST
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#116 & #117 Agreed.
victor809 Offline
#119 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 4:51 PM EST
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frankj1 Offline
#120 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 6:35 PM EST
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fiddler898 wrote:
There you go again, applying logic to yet another thread. Have you no shame, sir?

Dude!
I lie on the interwebs about being a tripod.
Shame? Me?

LO...oooops

HA!
DrafterX Offline
#121 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 6:40 PM EST
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It's not true..?? Huh
frankj1 Offline
#122 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 6:49 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
It's not true..?? Huh

no no...it's true. don't worry.

I forgot you hear everything.
RMAN4443 Offline
#123 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 6:50 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
Dude!
I lie on the interwebs about being a tripod.
Shame? Me?

LO...oooops

HA!

WHAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTT??????? You mean it isn't true??????.........BbBbBbutCrying you were my Hero......I believed in you.......now what am I gonna dddddoCrying ............I'm gonna go listen to some sad music......like Justin Bieber or something really sad like that..........and it's all yyyyyour faultCrying
frankj1 Offline
#124 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 6:52 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
no no...it's true. don't worry.

I forgot you hear everything.

there, see Rick? all better.
frankj1 Offline
#125 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 6:53 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
http://www.cigarbid.com/Forum/c/posts/634483/HOUSE-GOP

http://www.cigarbid.com/...ter-which-side-youre-on-

http://www.cigarbid.com/...p-government-would-pass-



I remember those threads.

great find.
DrafterX Offline
#126 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 6:59 PM EST
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I reviewed them.. didn't see any celebration... Just outrage... Mellow
banderl Offline
#127 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 7:08 PM EST
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I found this bit of Obama outrage.

DrafterX wrote:
Yet, his golf weekend at the yacht club with Tiger Woods cost taxpayers over a million dollars—enough money to save 341 federal workers from furlough,”

Film at 11.... Think


Oh for the old days when Obama would go away on occasion and cost us 1 million dollars.
frankj1 Offline
#128 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 7:12 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I reviewed them.. didn't see any celebration... Just outrage... Mellow

pottsy looooved it
frankj1 Offline
#129 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 7:15 PM EST
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I dunno X, just the first dozen or so posts in the top thread seem to rooting for a shut down
DrafterX Offline
#130 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 7:21 PM EST
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I was just kiddin.. Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#131 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 7:28 PM EST
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And besides, Obama-care sucks... It's a completely different situation today... Mellow
RMAN4443 Offline
#132 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 8:10 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
there, see Rick? all better.

Whew, I was worriedAnxious
victor809 Offline
#133 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 8:13 PM EST
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http://www.cigarbid.com/...-Government-on-First-Day

http://www.cigarbid.com/.../648140/p/4/Trump-Update

(this one's fun... got drafter saying: "Anything that happens under Obama's watch is Obama's fault... unless the rules changed since Bush was in office... Mellow")
banderl Offline
#134 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 8:19 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
http://www.cigarbid.com/Forum/c/posts/627281/G-O-P-Freshmen-Saddened-by-Failure-to-Shut-Down-Government-on-First-Day

http://www.cigarbid.com/.../648140/p/4/Trump-Update

(this one's fun... got drafter saying: "Anything that happens under Obama's watch is Obama's fault... unless the rules changed since Bush was in office... Mellow")



That's what too much orange "juice" will do to you.
teedubbya Offline
#135 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 8:23 PM EST
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As much as I despise trump as a person and think he’s an embarrassment I was sort of hopeful he could negotiate and stuff. Maybe next year.
DrafterX Offline
#136 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 8:23 PM EST
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Not hard to figure out what I was saying... Spin it as you always do.. Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#137 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 9:01 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I was just kiddin.. Mellow

didn't seem like you were rejoicing, but others were.
DrafterX Offline
#138 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 9:20 PM EST
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Prolly that Bloody bassard... He hated Obama... He started that Michelle was a dude rumor.. Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#139 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 10:23 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Prolly that Bloody bassard... He hated Obama... He started that Michelle was a dude rumor.. Mellow

you are so effin' funny, you know that?
DrafterX Offline
#140 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 10:40 PM EST
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Just the facts Mame... Mellow
Phil222 Offline
#141 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 10:42 PM EST
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Dam...you guys broke out the old posts. Ha!
frankj1 Offline
#142 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 10:53 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Just the facts Mame... Mellow

I don't think I've ever been called Mame before
reminds me of Dragnet in a weird way.
DrafterX Offline
#143 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 11:03 PM EST
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I was just kiddin.. Mellow
RMAN4443 Offline
#144 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 11:21 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I was just kiddin.. Mellow

I don't know, it kinda sounded like you meant it Anxious
DrafterX Offline
#145 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 11:23 PM EST
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Don't ever take me seriously... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#146 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 11:26 PM EST
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you coax da blues right outta da horn





MAME!
JadeRose Offline
#147 Posted: Sun, Jan 21 2018, 7:18 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I don't think I've ever been called Mame before
reminds me of Dragnet in a weird way.




Thank you for the fudge, Mrs. Eisenhower.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#148 Posted: Sun, Jan 21 2018, 7:43 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I remember those threads.

great find.


That walking talking stool sample thinks he uncovered "gold" or something. It doesn't matter, the Federal government is out of control with spending. They can't fix it.
Speyside Offline
#149 Posted: Sun, Jan 21 2018, 10:33 AM EST
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^No, he is pointing out the hypocrisy of those here crying about Trump being picked on. But as usual the denying is deep. You picked on Obama daily. But now you say we didn't do that to Obama.
DrafterX Offline
#150 Posted: Sun, Jan 21 2018, 11:02 AM EST
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Obama wasn't called a f>cktard in every other post... Mellow
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