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So what vision should we be seeking? A 19thc one? Reintroduce the Chinese Exclusion Act ?

Don't expand your understand, I get it. You don't need ANY new info. You are more than satisfied with the little you already know. Hot damn.
Wasting my time....

That's BS. You make a full stop at every stop sign? Ever smoke weed? Play some poker in someone's home for $? Use someone's wi-fi? Speed? Forget to put on your seatbelt? Lesse.
Pee outside? Nm...

It's when laws are broken that get too close to our fears or prejudices that we get all legal.
You waited until you were 18 to have your first beer? Nope. Cheers!

I'm not sure why the dems aren't embracing this as the 'Schumer Shutdown'.....they thought they saw an opportunity and jumped at it....bit of a bluff, but with perceived popular support. If GOP calls the bluff and this drags well into the week, I think dems will accede and try to spin it as some sort of a win, while not likely getting anything in the end.

I don't feel too strongly about immigration issues EXCEPT that I feel very strongly that the rhetoric is asinine on all sides. I hope there's some sort of bipartisan agreements soon, if only because this immigration stuff is as toxic to national conversations as anything else out there right now. I'd like to think that once we get past the biggest 4 or 5 immigration points, there might be opportunity for actual conversation about other stuff like budgets and security and health care, etc.

Google ' who is more responsible for the shutdown, Democrats or Republicans'
I hate em both but majority of Americans are saying Republicans are the bad guys here.

Unlawful presence is neither a felony nor a misdemeanor, said Ilya Shapiro, a senior fellow in constitutional studies at the libertarian Cato Institute. It is a civil infraction that results in removal and a bar on re-entry for a certain period of time.

He makes an interesting point.
Do you know what law is broken by being in the country without a visa/green card? And whether it's a felony or misdemeanor? Cuz I dont...

You said Democrats should own the Schumer Shutdown. I and most don't see it that way.
Donald baited and switched on them.
Don wanted and now he's got his wished-for shutdown.
Republicans control the Congress and White House. But the Dems are too blame?

You could also care less if approximately 800,000 people are freaking deported in March?

It's not a game. Donald says no DACA without his wall and that's not shady.
But this is?

I think the shutdown is over. I wonder if Dems caved to Republican demands?

Looks like a compromise was reached...vote to re-open govt with temporary funding until Feb 8 will happen in the Senate soon....measure then goes to the House, where it is expected to pass...

then we get to watch each side pointing fingers and doing their victory laps...

meanwhile, the rest of the world thinks we're imbeciles...and blame Trump ... https://www.vox.com/world/2018/1/22/16919166/government-shutdown-2018-global


Guess Eric Trump didn't help matters by saying the shutdown was a good thing...

Chuckle really showed what he's made of.

What did he get?


The heat was too much for him.

Way to cave. The Apology Tour 2.0 will be revving up with Pelosi screeching about something.

What a comedy.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

They spread the lies to scare peoples... If you repeat the lies enough times people will believe them... It's from The Resistance playbook...

With any lucky, not your f***ing planet.

Huck's losing it...

"If my parents rob a bank to give me a better life, shouldn't I get to keep the money?" <<< Not a great argument.

BUT sending away the "Dreamers" will cost our economy a couple hundred billion. Republicans won't do it and I wouldn't either. That is why Dems should've held out longer, but I guess they never miss a chance to bend the knee...

Edit: "ending DACA — and deporting the workers who will no longer enjoy legal status — could reduce the size of the U.S. economy by anywhere from $280 billion to $430 billion over the next decade." -Cato Institute

Corporations don't want this ^^^. Both sides answer to corporations for the most part. DACA will stay.

That appears to indicate that it is only a civil crime and not subject to any criminal laws... maybe I'm reading it wrong but it lists this as a civil violation...

so everyone saying they're super illegal.... well, I think under existing law reckless driving is a harsher crime.

Hey... I'm still trying to figure it out. Prolly need one of the law type guys to tell us what this is.

I can't find any indication of felony or misdemeanor, just the definition as a civil crime... I don't even know who would be the plaintiff.

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penaltiesAny alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.
(c) Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both.
(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both.

Film at 11...

Not a real insightful answer drafter. We all read that from the other link. You gonna provide any actual insight or just add "film at 11" and touch yourself repeatedly?

Here are the guidelines for classification of federal crimes. As in most states, crimes are classified by the punishment that is associated with it: one or more years in prison = felony; less than year in jail = misdemeanor; no jail time = infraction...in general...

(a)Classification.—An offense that is not specifically classified by a letter grade in the section defining it, is classified if the maximum term of imprisonment authorized is—
(1) life imprisonment, or if the maximum penalty is death, as a Class A felony;
(2) twenty-five years or more, as a Class B felony;
(3) less than twenty-five years but ten or more years, as a Class C felony;
(4) less than ten years but five or more years, as a Class D felony;
(5) less than five years but more than one year, as a Class E felony;
(6) one year or less but more than six months, as a Class A misdemeanor;
(7) six months or less but more than thirty days, as a Class B misdemeanor;
(8) thirty days or less but more than five days, as a Class C misdemeanor; or
(9) five days or less, or if no imprisonment is authorized, as an infraction.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3559


so immigration violations are generally infractions, the least serious sort of crime, as far as punishment, unless repetition is involved...

infractions in CA are mostly traffic violations, some minor MJ possessions crimes, trespassing, disturbing the peace, drunk and disorderly and minor shoplifting/theft

No... there is a "not more than 6mo" jail time. So class b misdemeanor?

Mexicans shoot Guatemalans on their southern border everyday...

with or without raisins?

Thanks Obama..!!

Doesn't it have to have raisins to be a Chunky Bar?