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French-style military parade?
banderl Offline
#101 Posted:
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Burner02 wrote:
So, anyone that supports the military is an imbecile?



If that's what you got from my post, you might be the imbecile.
frankj1 Offline
#102 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
His service deserves respect. Him getting legacy treatment in the service does not, he had no business being in a plane he should have been washed from flight.


all the peripherals aside about this thread and about McCain...
several years ago, perhaps when he first flirted with running for Prez, Matt Taiibi wrote a long piece on him for Rolling Stone and it went into depth about what ZRX is just touching upon...and being the son/grandson of an Admiral saved him from the certain fate any of us would have suffered if we had even been accepted into the Naval Academy, allegations by women, flight "mishaps", etc. Quite a read, indeed.

That said, six years is six years, refusing better treatment and early release because of family connections is admirable and I respect that greatly.
HuckFinn Offline
#103 Posted:
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As it regards his record as a pilot, this is an interesting read:

https://www.factcheck.org/2008/09/mccains-plane-crashes/
teedubbya Offline
#104 Posted:
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I respect him too frank.

As for the OP anyone else amused that Trump wants our military to emulate the French. Where is le hockey Dad when we need him. I bet trump passes over freedom fries to get to the French fries.
DrafterX Offline
#105 Posted:
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Do the French allow the LGHBTs to parade with da Military..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#106 Posted:
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Yes. The qwertys too
DrafterX Offline
#107 Posted:
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That might change Trump's mind... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#108 Posted:
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The only thing that would change dear leader orange Jon-kittygrabbers mind is if Obama says he thinks it’s a good idea.
HuckFinn Offline
#109 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
The only thing that would change dear leader orange Jon-kittygrabbers mind is if Obama says he thinks it’s a good idea.

Hey! That could work!
dstieger Offline
#110 Posted:
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I'm not thrilled with the idea of a parade.

But....I'll get behind it 100% ....if it is conditional upon pulling every single American troop/contractor/spook/advisor out of Syria....in fact, back 100km outside of all Syrian borders. I would celebrate that. We're on the verge of writing quite the ****-story there.
Phil222 Offline
#111 Posted:
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I wouldn't mind seeing us pulling troops out of a few other countries too. A few more years in Afghanistan and I think we get a gold watch.
HuckFinn Offline
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Some experts are saying our launching of Tomahawk attacks against an airbase in Syria (because they gassed dozens of civilians again) really pissed of the Kremlin.
Trump is ready to get physical over there. Seatbelts.
Burner02 Offline
#113 Posted:
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banderl wrote:
If that's what you got from my post, you might be the imbecile.



So unlike you to resort to name calling.
banderl Offline
#114 Posted:
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Burner02 wrote:
So unlike you to resort to name calling.



You are the guy who made the stupid comment.
Wear it with pride.
Speyside Offline
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Meaning of LGHBT by its letters
LGHBT acronym or abbreviation means:

L: Meaning of L in LGHBT. The letter has a flat bottom and a vertically extending part that projects into the sky. L is aspiring, reckoning, methodical, logical and convincing. Its flat bottom on the earth shows desire for earthly things hence L is materialistics and active. L is flexible, successful, public, insightful and considerate.

G: Meaning of G in LGHBT. G is like C, but with the bottom end growing upwards. G wants to grasp as much as it can. It shows thoughtfulness, being logical, witty, alert, stretchy, conscientious, intuitive, impetuous, reasoning and uncontrollable.

H: Meaning of H in LGHBT. H looks like a ladder. As a ladder, it implies rising from the bottom with effort. H shows inspiration and firmness. The connected of the uprights parts indicate impartiality. The letter H is upright and stable indicating calmness and self-reliance.

B: Meaning of B in LGHBT. B is like a with two branches from the top and the bottom that begin to grow out and for some environmental reasons the branches grow back towards each other and then inwards. Contrary to the bold that it might have represented, it displays introvertion, a creative ability to change direction when faced with adversity, shyness of society. It also shows a supportive nature towards others as the branches move inwards to support each other. B is sensitive to feelings and that is observed by the touching of the branches. A temperamental and meditative attitudes are all qualities the letter B holds.

T: Meaning of T in LGHBT. T is a vertical strand crossed at the top by a horizontal strand. With the top strand balanced in the middle by the vertical strand, T shows balance and stability in its ways. It is also forgoing and spiritual. With the top strand projected up by the bottom strand, T is highly ambitious, but also kind to others as it can let others rest on its horizontal top. This makes T selfless, cooperative, womanly and dutiful. It also displays a high degree of generosity and liberalism.
Burner02 Offline
#116 Posted:
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banderl wrote:
You are the guy who made the stupid comment.
Wear it with pride.



Rest assured that if stupid remarks were a crime, you would be in prison.

Now back to your love of the military and it's supporters.
banderl Offline
#117 Posted:
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Burner02 wrote:
Rest assured that if stupid remarks were a crime, you would be in prison.

Now back to your love of the military and it's supporters.



No doubt that you're a big time supporter.
Do you want a medal or a chest to pin it on?
Burner02 Offline
#118 Posted:
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banderl wrote:
No doubt that you're a big time supporter.
Do you want a medal or a chest to pin it on?



You are 100% correct that I am a supporter of the U.S. military.

And no, I don't need any medals or a chest to pin them on but thanks for the offer.
HuckFinn Offline
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Burner02 wrote:
You are 100% correct that I am a supporter of the U.S. military.

And no, I don't need any medals or a chest to pin them on but thanks for the offer.

Burner, are you a supporter of Trump's military parade down Pennsylvania Ave?
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#120 Posted:
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I'm not sure it needs to happen really... But if it does and tanks run over peoples I'll be watching for sure.. Laugh
banderl Offline
#121 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
Burner, are you a supporter of Trump's military parade down Pennsylvania Ave?



If you're not, you hate our military and are a pinko.
dstieger Offline
#122 Posted:
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I don't advocate for or against a parade. I think it'd be ok, but really, it should signify some sort of Victory...I don't care if its OIF or OEF, or WWI....as I said earlier, I'd fully support a parade if we could get the hell out of Syria....but, regardless of your position, this a pretty good read from Politico.

Even if there's too many words for ya, just read the first line..... :)


If you wanted to come up with a parody of the Trump years, it’d be hard to get any better than the president proposing a parade, and the opposition erupting in outrage.

The Pentagon has confirmed that it is in the preliminary stages of planning a military parade down Pennsylvania Avenue — one of President Donald Trump’s fondest desires.

Trump was, understandably, impressed in a visit to France last July by the pageantry of the Bastille Day parade. Despite the disdain conservatives have long heaped on France as a country of pansies, it has a storied military tradition and a deep sense of national pride as one the world’s oldest nation-states, one that has always been at the center of Western civilization.

The Bastille Day parade dates back to the 1880s. Nothing that the U.S. comes up with will match its resonance or its beloved, unifying nature.

Trump’s motivation for ordering up a parade anyway is pretty obvious. He likes big, brassy displays, and he gets a kick out of being the commander in chief of the most impressive military on the planet.

The president’s impulse itself shouldn’t be enough to roll the armor down Pennsylvania Avenue, but we don’t lack for reasons to honor our military. The Pentagon has already floated the idea of a parade on Veterans Day to mark the 100th anniversary of the end of World War I, an epic event by any standard. We’re also overdue to honor on a large scale the sacrifice of our troops over the past 15 years in the war on terror.

Trump’s critics sniff a dangerous authoritarianism afoot.

“We have a Napoleon in the making here,” pronounced Rep. Jackie Speier. Of course, coming to power in a coup, literally crowning himself emperor of France and conquering a swath of Europe all weigh much more heavily — and tell us much more about Napoleon’s political character — than any of his parades.

A columnist for the New York Daily News harumphed that Trump “has no sense of American exceptionalism.” It’s odd to locate American exceptionalism, not in the Bill of Rights or Declaration of Independence, but in the (relatively recent) absence of military parades.

“This is beneath us as a nation,” said retired Rear Adm. John Kirby, who served as a State Department spokesman in the Obama administration.

It’s not obvious when it became untoward or dangerous for the U.S. to hold military parades. Are we supposed to believe that the integrity of American character has depended on having no military parades since 1991, when there were big honking ones in Washington and New York to celebrate the end of the Gulf War?

In Washington, Patriot missiles, M270 multiple launch rocket systems, and M109 self-propelled howitzers appeared on the parade route, and a freakin’ Harrier jump jet landed on the Mall. In New York, they dragged an A-7 Crusader attack jet down the Canyon of Heroes. The republic survived.

The unsatisfactory outcomes of the Vietnam and Korean Wars meant we didn’t have parades to mark those conflicts (we should have). But it didn’t occur to anyone that it was inappropriate or undemocratic to display military hardware. During World War II, there were big military parades in New York City, and state-of-the-art self-propelled howitzers drove by the New York Public Library with no one getting the vapors.

Dwight Eisenhower’s first inaugural showcased an 85-ton atomic cannon, and the second, the Redstone ballistic missile. They broke out four nuclear missiles for John F. Kennedy’s inauguration, along with an impressive battery of tanks, armored vehicles and self-propelled howitzers.

The 27-year hiatus on military parades had a close call when it was briefly proposed that we have a ticker-tape parade in New York City for Iraq War veterans after President Barack Obama’s pull-out in 2011. To her credit, MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow supported the idea as a very public way to thank the troops: “I would go, and so would everyone I know.”

It is true that leaders of Russia, China and North Korea exult in military parades. But it’s not military parades that make these regimes dangerous. The Bastille Day parade and — on a much smaller, quainter scale — Trooping the Colour don’t mean France or England are anything like Russia or China, only that the military is recognized as a source of national pride and unity.

The parade controversy is another sign that the place of patriotism in our national life, and what that patriotism should consist of, is a Trump-era flashpoint.

Trump’s critics tend to think that patriotism itself is atavistic, or that its locus should be only in our ideals. Trump’s patriotism is more grounded, and insists that we are a nation, not just an abstraction.

This is why a military parade once in a while is a healthy thing: We should be proud, not just of our troops, but of our military as such. We should be proud of our strength. We should be proud of our weaponry, highly proficient machines fashioned by the most technically adept society the world has ever known.

Ideally, everyone would realize this. Once upon a time, we did. But now the best argument against Trump’s parade is that it will become a cultural-war flashpoint and “the resistance” will try its utmost to ruin the affair. Just imagine a protester in a **** hat in a Tiananmen Square-style stand off with an M-1 Abrams tank.

Meanwhile, on July 14, the Bastille Day parade will in all likelihood come off once again without a hitch — as a democratic polity honors the national role of its military, with no nervous breakdowns.


Rich Lowry is editor of National Review and a contributing editor with Politico Magazine.
Burner02 Offline
#123 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
Burner, are you a supporter of Trump's military parade down Pennsylvania Ave?


Huck, I'm as patriotic as the next guy but feel that if we are going to have a parade of this magnitude that it would be in recognition of a victory or the return of all of our deployed troops.

I'm all in on the patriotism but the logistics and monies on this type of venture is pretty extensive. And if you talk to the troops most will admit that they marched enough in basic and follow-on training to last a career. That is not to say that many would not jump at the opportunity but many would wait until they were told this is what we are going to do. Once done so, they will salute smartly, say yes sir and go about the task to the best of their ability.

The answer to your question would be no, but I'm guessing the White House will not be calling me to ask my opinion on the subject.




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#124 Posted:
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banderl wrote:
If you're not, you hate our military and are a pinko.


Your prison say just got extended.
banderl Offline
#125 Posted:
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Burner02 wrote:
Your prison say just got extended.



Go troll some malls with your buddy, Roy.
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#126 Posted:
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banderl wrote:
Go troll some malls with your buddy, Roy.


It must be a real shitty life you lead. Why else would someone spend so much time expelling as much hate as you do?

BTW, IMHO opinion should thank Burner for his service since such service enabled sad little men such as yourself to not be drafted.
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#127 Posted:
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If we have a French style parade wouldn’t all of our military folk end up with sunburned armpits?
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#128 Posted:
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If Hillary was in charge they would... Mellow
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Why are you a misogynist?
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#130 Posted:
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Drafter just has old fashioned ideas about women. Not sure he's a misogynist.

Just the other day he told of a good deed he did for a woman he knew who was dying. Seems she asked Drafter to make her feel like a woman one last time.
He handed her a shirt and said. Here. Iron this.
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#131 Posted:
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I see you're getting comfortable!
DrafterX Offline
#132 Posted:
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'make me a sammich' would have been a better phrase... Laugh
ZRX1200 Offline
#133 Posted:
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Make you a salad would have been a better idea though Mellow
HuckFinn Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
I see you're getting comfortable!

And that's a...good thing?
frankj1 Offline
#135 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
And that's a...good thing?

more comedy is a good thing, yes.
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As I remember the last time America truly paraded it's power was either shortly after World War I or World War II it was known as the white fleet
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Why are you talking about a Klan regatta?
Cathcam13 Offline
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Only you guys.......... they painted the entire fleet white and sailed it round the world.......
Cathcam13 Offline
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As a show of peace, I believe a few other countries also did the same.
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I didn't know the Klan was in other countries but that would make sense.
teedubbya Offline
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I used to paint my sheets white all the time but as I get older I just don't have that much jam
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Cathcam13 wrote:
As I remember the last time America truly paraded it's power was either shortly after World War I or World War II it was known as the white fleet

The Great White Fleet was the popular nickname for the powerful United States Navy battle fleet that completed a journey around the globe from 16 December 1907, to 22 February 1909, by order of United States President Theodore Roosevelt. Its mission was to make friendly courtesy visits to numerous countries, while displaying America's new naval power to the world.

From Wikipedia
teedubbya Offline
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Isn't teddy one of those environmental wackos?
RMAN4443 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Isn't teddy one of those environmental wackos?

I heard Teddy had a BIG "stick"Anxious
teedubbya Offline
#145 Posted:
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he's lucky
Cathcam13 Offline
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Thanks Huck! That's what I was talking about.
HuckFinn Offline
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RMAN4443 wrote:
I heard Teddy had a BIG "stick"Anxious

Yeah, but he whispered or something.
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HuckFinn wrote:
Yeah, but he whispered or something.

I think he wore moccasins.
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Teddy was truly crazy, no doubt, but it takes a guy like him to convince a nation that it is in their best interest to jump into a World War....... If not for the attack on Pearl Harbor, I doubt he would have been able to get the American people to awaken from their "slumber."
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Cathcam13 wrote:
Teddy was truly crazy, no doubt, but it takes a guy like him to convince a nation that it is in their best interest to jump into a World War....... If not for the attack on Pearl Harbor, I doubt he would have been able to get the American people to awaken from their "slumber."



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