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Hank_The_Tank Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Feb 13 2018, 9:39 AM EST
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So I am at work, and a guy that I talk to frequently about cigars has two cigars sitting on his desk in a humidified bag. I comment on them and he shows me that they are 2011 Cohiba Behike's. I commented that I didn't even think I would see those in person in my life. He proceeds to give me one. I almost didn't want to take it considering how much he said they cost. He insisted that I take one of them. I am in shock right now.....
bgz Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Feb 13 2018, 10:04 AM EST
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Probably of the glass-top variety.
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Feb 13 2018, 10:30 AM EST
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bgz wrote:
Probably of the glass-top variety.


Nah, this guy spends serious coin on cigars. Used to own a cigar shop. I trust that it is legit.
ZRX1200 Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Feb 13 2018, 11:17 AM EST
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You'll be fine, Cohibas are never fake.
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Feb 13 2018, 11:30 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
You'll be fine, Cohibas are never fake.


Right, just like porn stars' boobs are never fake...
jespear Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Feb 13 2018, 2:01 PM EST
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Excellent !
Let us know if it lives up to the hype.
NapalmMan67 Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Feb 13 2018, 5:52 PM EST
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If it's not a fake, it'll be a waste on Hamk. Didn't you say before you don't even like Cuban cigars?

I've been fortunate to have smoked a couple OR Behike and they were the best 2 hours of smoke experience I've ever had.
gummy jones Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Feb 13 2018, 6:05 PM EST
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Did he give it to you or did you hamk him into submission?

Ewok126 Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Feb 13 2018, 6:35 PM EST
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I had heard he had to puff on da boss's Gurkha but when Hank got hurt and got some splinters stuck in in the top of his bald head from under the desk. Well that's when da boss felt bad for him and gave him the fake cuban.

Could be fake news but its not been on Fox or CNN so.....
Ewok126 Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Feb 13 2018, 6:35 PM EST
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Dang Double Post
NWStogie Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Feb 13 2018, 6:47 PM EST
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I’d be interested in what you think of them. Post up after they’ve rested appropriately.
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#12 Posted: Tue, Feb 13 2018, 11:47 PM EST
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Hank_The_Tank wrote:
So I am at work, and a guy that I talk to frequently about cigars has two cigars sitting on his desk in a humidified bag. I comment on them and he shows me that they are 2011 Cohiba Behike's. I commented that I didn't even think I would see those in person in my life. He proceeds to give me one. I almost didn't want to take it considering how much he said they cost. He insisted that I take one of them. I am in shock right now.....


Behike's in a bag???


Throw's BS flag on way out....
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#13 Posted: Wed, Feb 14 2018, 9:54 AM EST
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NapalmMan67 wrote:
If it's not a fake, it'll be a waste on Hamk. Didn't you say before you don't even like Cuban cigars?

I've been fortunate to have smoked a couple OR Behike and they were the best 2 hours of smoke experience I've ever had.


My first few experiences with CC's weren't great, but I have found some that I really like. I am really excited to try this one.
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Feb 14 2018, 9:55 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Behike's in a bag???


Throw's BS flag on way out....


He just brought them into work that way to smoke yesterday. It had humi pack in it to keep it properly humidified.
bgz Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Feb 14 2018, 10:41 AM EST
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He humidifies Behikes with humipacks when he only has them out of his humidor for a day?

*red flag starts waving... yet again*
dstieger Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Feb 14 2018, 12:08 PM EST
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And I thought HtT was just an annoying interweb mooch. I was wrong and apologize.


Apparently, he's a pretty good real life mooch, as well.


And, thanks, Anthony.Frying pan
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Feb 14 2018, 3:24 PM EST
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Being a former cigar shop owner doesn't make one an expert on Cuban cigars nor any other origin for that matter.

I have found that in most cases, cigar store owners and employees tend to be done of the most misinformed know it alls.

But, you might have found a rare one that has a clue. There are a few out there.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Feb 14 2018, 3:24 PM EST
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Done = some
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Feb 14 2018, 3:33 PM EST
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This guy seems to know what he is talking about.
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#20 Posted: Wed, Feb 14 2018, 3:52 PM EST
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Then you have individuals who are idiotic know it alls, like the guy who told me that the Romeo Juliette Maduro was trash...... spicy? Yes, trash? Definitely not, just not to certain smoke shop owners' taste. I personally found it ok. That was my first cigar I ever smoked, and the darkest cigar I could find here in Oregon.......
dstieger Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Feb 14 2018, 4:04 PM EST
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Racist tobacconists are the WORST
delta1 Online
#22 Posted: Wed, Feb 14 2018, 4:13 PM EST
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Hank, if ya wants, I can verify the authenticity of the Behike for you...still have my addy?
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#23 Posted: Wed, Feb 14 2018, 4:22 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Hank, if ya wants, I can verify the authenticity of the Behike for you...still have my addy?


Funny guy
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Feb 14 2018, 4:49 PM EST
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"This guy sems to know what he's talking about"

Based on what, Hank?

Does his office have many expensive things and does it smell of rich mahogany and Corinthian leather?
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Feb 14 2018, 4:54 PM EST
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
"This guy sems to know what he's talking about"

Based on what, Hank?

Does his office have many expensive things and does it smell of rich mahogany and Corinthian leather?



Just based on conversations that I have had with him. If it is fake, I feel bad for the 1750 he paid for each of two boxes he bought back in 2011.
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#26 Posted: Wed, Feb 14 2018, 5:23 PM EST
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Hank_The_Tank wrote:
Just based on conversations that I have had with him. If it is fake, I feel bad for the 1750 he paid for each of two boxes he bought back in 2011.


I don't think they went for $1750 back then. I think he overpaid if that's the case.

I think it's more likely he's full of sh17 though (or you being full of sh17 is equally likely).

I would also think the probability is pretty high for this whole story being full of sh17 too.

Just my opinion.
NapalmMan67 Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Feb 14 2018, 5:26 PM EST
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Hank_The_Tank wrote:
Just based on conversations that I have had with him. If it is fake, I feel bad for the 1750 he paid for each of two boxes he bought back in 2011.



And you believe he was just a nice enough guy to give you a $175.00 cigar? For which he way overpaid, real or not.

Current pricing is in the $1100.00/ box range for 56s. Which is way to f*cking much imo. Wish I had bought a few more boxes when they were sub $300 per box. Ahhh well, hindsight.


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Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Feb 14 2018, 5:49 PM EST
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Hank_The_Tank wrote:
Just based on conversations that I have had with him. If it is fake, I feel bad for the 1750 he paid for each of two boxes he bought back in 2011.


I honestly don't remember what they cost back in 2011.

Price does not dictate authenticity. I've seen boxes of fake Davidoffs go for many thousands.

I'd be surprised if most of us haven't unknowingly had, be it bought, traded or gifted, a fake Cuban cigar or more along the way. It happens.

I don't know your friend, I haven't seen the cigar you are talking about. I have no idea if it is or is not authentic.

I will say though that the more you argue about something of which you know nothing about, the more of a dipshizzle you look like. Stop while you are only slightly behind. Smoke the cigar, or don't. While there are some caution flags, it's not like any of us can truly tell what it is based on some written text.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Feb 14 2018, 5:51 PM EST
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NapalmMan67 wrote:
And you believe he was just a nice enough guy to give you a $175.00 cigar?
.



In all fairness, some people out there actually do things like that.
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#30 Posted: Wed, Feb 14 2018, 5:52 PM EST
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My question would be how would you tell the difference, been thinking about buying some Cubans to try but if they are fake what's the damn point!
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Feb 14 2018, 6:07 PM EST
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paulkeck wrote:
My question would be how would you tell the difference, been thinking about buying some Cubans to try but if they are fake what's the damn point!



Bad fakes are easy to spot once you have been shown one or two.

Good fakes can be difficult. Especially if you are not familiar with the profile of the cigar.

Not all vendors are honest. Knowing which ones are honest is key when you are starting out. You can then learn from what is authentic.

There are some guides out there on the internet, but I don't think many have been updated in a long time to reflect the new packaging and security measures that Habanos has implemented.

I think Habanos might actually have something on their website. And there is Trevor's website www.cubancigarwebsite.com, but that's just really a list of what's been released, so unless the sizes don't match or the bands are grossly inaccurate, then it's not going to be much good as a "spot a fake tutorial". Ultimately though, those sites are all just pictures. Much more can be learned hands on.
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#32 Posted: Wed, Feb 14 2018, 6:13 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Hank, if ya wants, I can verify the authenticity of the Behike for you...still have my addy?

If I didn't know better I'd swear this was a Hank post Not talking
paulkeck Offline
#33 Posted: Wed, Feb 14 2018, 6:20 PM EST
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Thanks Thunder, I will do some homework
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#34 Posted: Wed, Feb 14 2018, 6:22 PM EST
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Hank_The_Tank wrote:
Just based on conversations that I have had with him. If it is fake, I feel bad for the 1750 he paid for each of two boxes he bought back in 2011.


If he paid $1750/box in 2011 he has no idea what he is doing. As has been said they were selling for $286 - $325 depending on size back then. That is what I paid for boxes dated 2011 and it was close to the going rate until wrapper leaf became an issue a few years later.
gummy jones Offline
#35 Posted: Wed, Feb 14 2018, 6:22 PM EST
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#hamk post a pic

Real or fake it is a nice gesture (assuming he thinks it's real)

I always thought their normal price was around thirty bucks a stick.
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#36 Posted: Wed, Feb 14 2018, 8:20 PM EST
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I would love to see a pic my FIL got a box for x Mas and yes it was glass top and he gave me one right off the bat really good guy but I had to show him they where fakes I will post a picture of it
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#37 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 11:20 AM EST
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How do you tell if a 2011 is real? I saw something that newer ones have a holigraphic bar on them, but looked like that started in 2014 (from what I could tell from the cryptic posts.

I will take a picture when I get home and post it. Although I am sure that everyone will say it is a fake, just to screw with me.

Like gummy said, it is a nice gesture either way. I'm not trying to BS or dig a hole whatever BS ThunderGerbil is spewing. Just received a nice gift and wanted to share.
corey sellers Offline
#38 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 12:05 PM EST
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I will post a picture of the one I have this afternoon so you can see it
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#39 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 12:10 PM EST
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So I did some more research and was incorrect on the holigraphic bar...it just changed in 2014. Below is what I gathered:

-Lettering is slightly raised.
-Ring of black around head
-Head looks slightly rippled and should have a holographic mini-head inside (but only seen when turned a certain way).
-Front Holigraphic bar should pick-up a lot of color/light.
-Label should be crisp and perfect looking

Anything else I should look for?

Now the question, if I think it is a fake, should I tell the guy. Not sure I would want to know. haha
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#40 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 1:57 PM EST
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Hank,

https://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/brand/cohiba

Band F. Click on it to bring up a larger image.
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#41 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 2:03 PM EST
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"If I think it is a fake" If you aren't certain, don't say anything, other than how much you appreciate the gift.

Only tell him if you are absolutely certain, and explain why...I was in a similar situation with my neighbor. He's a young cigar noob (but a great auto mechanic). He went to Mexico and came back with a handful of "Cubans". He knew I enjoyed cigars, so he gave me a Montecristo #2, and was absolutely beaming. I thanked him and later took a hard look at the stogie, and was suspicious. I compared the gift cigar to an authentic that I had. The bands were slightly different with the Mexican band a little fuzzy around the lettering and logo edges. The wrapper coloring was different: the gift cigar was darker. It was just a tad longer than mine. The roll, the space between overlaps in the wrapper, was different, but that could be explained by different batches. The truth was revealed when I smoked the cigar. Totally different flavor profile...more like a Nicaraguan with pepper, leather, wood and harshness. I spoke with my neighbor, and told him what I thought. I gave him an authentic Monte #2 and showed him the bands. He did say that the vendor had the "Cubans" displayed in glass-top boxes. After he smoked the Monte that I gave him, he thanked me, but I could tell he was crushed....


you would do much harm if you told him you thought they were fake, but in fact, they are authentic.
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#42 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 2:12 PM EST
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Oh, I definitely wouldn't say anything unless I was absolutely sure.
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#43 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 2:33 PM EST
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Hank_The_Tank wrote:
Oh, I definitely wouldn't say anything unless I was absolutely sure.

sometimes it's better to say Thank You and that's sufficient......Beer
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#44 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 2:39 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
sometimes it's better to say Thank You and that's sufficient......Beer


+1

I try to follow my fathers advice

" It's better to let people think you are stupid than to open your mouth and let people know you are stupid "

I did say "I try"Anxious
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#45 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 3:00 PM EST
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Yeah, but if they are fake, I feel like he should know so he knows to not trust his source for future purchases. IDK
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#46 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 5:23 PM EST
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
In all fairness, some people out there actually do things like that.


Granted. I would think highly unlikely in this instance though. I dunno, maybe he's hitting on Hamk and wants a dinner date?




Hank_The_Tank wrote:
Yeah, but if they are fake, I feel like he should know so he knows to not trust his source for future purchases. IDK


I would let him know if you discover it is fake for that reason.

Maybe also he'll even pick up the tab at dinner instead of going Dutch.
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#47 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 5:38 PM EST
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NapalmMan67 wrote:
Granted. I would think highly unlikely in this instance though. I dunno, maybe he's hitting on Hamk and wants a dinner date?






I would let him know if you discover it is fake for that reason.

Maybe also he'll even pick up the tab at dinner instead of doing Greek.

Think
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#48 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 7:41 PM EST
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I will post the pictures here shortly. It seems to check all the boxes but I’m no expert.
HaustheCC Offline
#49 Posted: Fri, Feb 16 2018, 11:11 PM EST
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Any update on the verdict. I'm interested to find out.
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#50 Posted: Sat, Feb 17 2018, 1:23 AM EST
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Ewok126 wrote:
+1

I try to follow my fathers advice

" It's better to let people think you are stupid than to open your mouth and let people know you are stupid "

I did say "I try"Anxious


That's really good advice. Wish more people would heed those words.
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