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National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934
Buckwheat Offline
#1 Posted:
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In light of the continued violence and deaths: shouldn't we have something like this passed for assault weapons?

Discuss.
dstieger Offline
#2 Posted:
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Worthy discussion, I'd guess.

Define assault weapon, please.
Speyside Offline
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Why don't you?
Buckwheat Offline
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dstieger wrote:
Worthy discussion, I'd guess.

Define assault weapon, please.


Firearms with a large magazine of ammunition that were designed and configured for rapid fire and combat use.

Keep in mind I had an ArmaLite AR-15 and still have several pistols that I regularly shoot.

I think that something needs to be done besides sending "Thoughts and Prayers". I'm in favor of a similar law as this one. fog
tailgater Offline
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Buckwheat wrote:
Firearms with a large magazine of ammunition that were designed and configured for rapid fire and combat use.

Keep in mind I had an ArmaLite AR-15 and still have several pistols that I regularly shoot.

I think that something needs to be done besides sending "Thoughts and Prayers". I'm in favor of a similar law as this one. fog


Define "large magazine"
Define "rapid fire"
And couldn't any gun be designed for combat use?

I don't own any guns.
And I understand why regulations are needed at some level (fully automatic, for instance).

I just don't understand why people think banning AR-15's (for instance) would have stopped this mentally deranged shooter.
Because I think we can agree with almost 100% certainty that it wouldn't.
He would have gone in with 2 or more pistols. And a bevy of full clips at the ready.

Maybe "only" 10 people die instead of 14.
Sure, that's a good thing.
But it's not addressing the bigger issue. And that's what we need to focus on.
Because as we learned on 9/11 a killer will use whatever means available to fulfill their task.



cacman Offline
#6 Posted:
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The 2nd Amendment was added to the Bill Of Rights on December 15, 1791.

Do you define "assault weapon" by what was available in 1791 or in 1934?
DrafterX Offline
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So, you want to re-write the Constitution..?? Huh
DrafterX Offline
#8 Posted:
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I'm pretty sure any gun can be deadly or used to assault someone... And rapid fire..?? Who was that rifleman dude with the Winchester model 94..?? Think
opelmanta1900 Offline
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I've got no issue with gun control or gun control conversation... but i sure hope we go deeper and try to figure out what could happen to make a 19 year old boy with most of his life still ahead of him so angry, so filled with hate...
DrafterX Offline
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I heard it was video games... Mellow
Buckwheat Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Define "large magazine"
Define "rapid fire"
And couldn't any gun be designed for combat use?

I don't own any guns.
And I understand why regulations are needed at some level (fully automatic, for instance).

I just don't understand why people think banning AR-15's (for instance) would have stopped this mentally deranged shooter.
Because I think we can agree with almost 100% certainty that it wouldn't.
He would have gone in with 2 or more pistols. And a bevy of full clips at the ready.

Maybe "only" 10 people die instead of 14.
Sure, that's a good thing.
But it's not addressing the bigger issue. And that's what we need to focus on.
Because as we learned on 9/11 a killer will use whatever means available to fulfill their task.





I never said I wanted to ban any weapons. The NFA just made it much harder for people to get and use certain weapons. I think that this approach could be used to limit the number of mass shootings. What is the bigger issue that we need to focus on? 9/11 was a different ball of wax all together and equating the two types of killings is like comparing apples and hammers.
paulkeck Offline
#12 Posted:
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I have several Ars I have an LR 308 and a bunch of "high capacity" magazines but not one of them is an assault rifle....Mine are defense rifles
cacman Offline
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Buckwheat wrote:
What is the bigger issue that we need to focus on?

Instead of focusing on what they used to commit the crime, how about focusing on why and/or what drives people to commit mass murder to begin with?

Simply filling people with anti-depressants and other drugs isn't the answer either. There needs to be easier access to professional support and treatment. Something that is difficult to acquire with our current health insurance system. In many cases there is little treatment covered by insurance, and/or the health insurance companies are directing Doctors on what meds to prescribe based on the deals they have with a pharmaceutical company.
dstieger Offline
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paulkeck wrote:
..Mine are defense rifles

defense against what?
DrafterX Offline
#15 Posted:
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Them.... Mellow
Buckwheat Offline
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cacman wrote:
instead of focusing on what they used to commit the crime, how about focusing on why and/or what drives people to commit mass murder to begin with?

Simply filling people with anti-depressants and other drugs isn't the answer either. There needs to be easier access to professional support and treatment. Something that is difficult to acquire with our current health insurance system. In many cases there is little treatment covered by insurance, and/or the health insurance companies are directing Doctors on what meds to prescribe based on the deals they have with a pharmaceutical company.


I don't disagree with you. It would also be nice if the CDC and/or other government health agencies could actually do research on these people and crimes however they are prevented by the Dickey Amendment. And where is the money to do all of this going to come from?
tailgater Offline
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Buckwheat wrote:
I never said I wanted to ban any weapons. The NFA just made it much harder for people to get and use certain weapons. I think that this approach could be used to limit the number of mass shootings. What is the bigger issue that we need to focus on? 9/11 was a different ball of wax all together and equating the two types of killings is like comparing apples and hammers.


So in the other thread we learned that we can't compare the school shooting to kids being killed by car accidents. Even when the driver is impaired.
Now we learn that we can't compare a mass shooting to a terrorist act.

OK. So we can't compare this to anything else ever.
As outlandish as that is, that's fine.
Because the point wasn't to compare the apple to the hammer.
It's to highlight the fact that people with mental deficiencies and an urge to kill will find a way.

It's always good to discuss and debate an issue with two obvious sides.

I keep hearing about "common sense" regulations.

I ask you: who in DC has common sense?




Buckwheat Offline
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tailgater wrote:
So in the other thread we learned that we can't compare the school shooting to kids being killed by car accidents. Even when the driver is impaired.
Now we learn that we can't compare a mass shooting to a terrorist act.

OK. So we can't compare this to anything else ever.
As outlandish as that is, that's fine.
Because the point wasn't to compare the apple to the hammer.
It's to highlight the fact that people with mental deficiencies and an urge to kill will find a way.

It's always good to discuss and debate an issue with two obvious sides.

I keep hearing about "common sense" regulations.

I ask you: who in DC has common sense?






A lone 19 year old with mental problems isn't comparable to a multinational terrorist organization hell bent on taking out America. Too many special interest groups in DC to get anything done even if someone with common sense shows up. fog
Gene363 Offline
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The NFA should be abolished, period. No need for discussion, we have a multitude of gun control laws on the books. No amount of gun control legislation will prevent a crazy from doing harm to others.

if you want to be totally isolated from gun violence you need take up residencies a prison. I chose freedom.
Gene363 Offline
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FWIW, the 24 hour news coverage of these shootings only encourages the next loser POS. Hollywood by making films glorifying infamous killers does the same thing.


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Speyside Offline
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Ok so when kid in a car uses an assault rifle to kill 17 other kids in cars your point will be valid. At that time I will sadly admit you are correct. Also lets throw the BS flag on your statement that all 20,000 kids were killed by drunk drivers.
dstieger Offline
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you who?
tailgater Offline
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Buckwheat wrote:
A lone 19 year old with mental problems isn't comparable to a multinational terrorist organization hell bent on taking out America. Too many special interest groups in DC to get anything done even if someone with common sense shows up. fog


Let's hope that common ground like this can lead to common sense.

tailgater Offline
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dstieger wrote:
you who?


Chocolate milk?

teedubbya Offline
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tailgater wrote:
So in the other thread we learned that we can't compare the school shooting to kids being killed by car accidents. Even when the driver is impaired.
Now we learn that we can't compare a mass shooting to a terrorist act.

OK. So we can't compare this to anything else ever.
As outlandish as that is, that's fine.
Because the point wasn't to compare the apple to the hammer.
It's to highlight the fact that people with mental deficiencies and an urge to kill will find a way.

It's always good to discuss and debate an issue with two obvious sides.

I keep hearing about "common sense" regulations.

I ask you: who in DC has common sense?







If you are referring to my comments I don't care if you compare them. I say address them both. Put resources in to both.

Just don't use one to distract from the other or suggest one is somehow glorified or over publicized (which I don't think you did TG). We just had a 17 year old senior die in a single vehicle accident 2 weeks ago. Its been huge news and is horrible.

I really don't see the intent for imputing one issue in to a discussion on the other. Either or both are horrific and I don't find them very similar other than they both include death. The auto accident one seems to have more accessible or viable/visible solutions that I'm not sure translate to school shootings.
teedubbya Offline
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I take 4 magazines with my pistol to the range. Each holds 17 rounds plus one in the chamber. I can empty them very quickly, and change them very quickly. You do the math. I could also carry many more if I chose. Granted it's not as accurate at distance but it's plenty accurate.

I don't know what the answers are. But I'm not sure the AR is the villain. Someone walking down the street with an ar would get my attention. I'd never see the pistol.

I hate not knowing what I think the solution is.
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I'm with Gene.

The only way to fight evil is with courage and vigilance.
delta1 Offline
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America has become a country where we love our guns more than our kids...that will not change until more, many more, kids get killed by guns.
DrafterX Offline
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You're allowed to speak for all of America..?? Huh
delta1 Offline
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yup...just like the guys who wrote the 27 posts before mine...
Gene363 Offline
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delta1 wrote:
America has become a country where we love our guns more than our kids...that will not change until more, many more, kids get killed by guns.


Bravo Sierra! Bravo Sierra because only those that hate children would insist on throwing out their freedom and surrendering their future rights for the illusion of safety.
teedubbya Offline
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We do love our guns though. I know I do. I don't love them more than my kids though.

If you love something more than something else does that mean you hate the something else?
DrafterX Offline
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Yes... Mellow
coolbreeze68 Offline
#34 Posted:
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Dayum it.....I'm a horrible person.

My guns have always been cleaner than my kids.
fiddler898 Offline
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Good grief. 18 school shootings this year, 17 dead yesterday, and you want to parse definitions. I’d call that straining at gnats while swallowing a camel. Oh, wait, I didn’t say that...
MACS Offline
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delta1 wrote:
America has become a country where we love our guns more than our kids...that will not change until more, many more, kids get killed by guns.


Guns don't kill people. They're inanimate objects.

Our issues isn't guns, it is the way we raise our kids.
teedubbya Offline
#37 Posted:
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The gun is a very efficient tool. Right tool for the right job.
paulkeck Offline
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Defense against whatever is attacking me.. I figured that was self explanatory
ZRX1200 Offline
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THERE HAVE NOT BEEN 18 SCHOOL SHOOTINGS THIS YEAR......

YOU ARE REPEATING EVERYTOWN USA'S L I E S .

So you don't look ignorant and clueless go look at the MRC report on this BULLSCHIT statistic.
teedubbya Offline
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It is strange that keeps being repeated. Where did it originate?
DrafterX Offline
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Prolly Hillary... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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Ok I see now. They list them.

https://everytownresearch.org/school-shootings/

Some didn’t result in death or injury and it includes universities.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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"The figure originated with Everytown for Gun Safety, a nonprofit group, co-founded by Michael Bloomberg, that works to prevent gun violence and is most famous for its running tally of school shootings."

^according to wapo
opelmanta1900 Offline
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Also from wapo:

Everytown has long inflated its total by including incidents of gunfire that are not really school shootings. Take, for example, what it counted as the year’s first: On the afternoon of Jan. 3, a 31-year-old man who had parked outside a Michigan elementary school called police to say he was armed and suicidal. Several hours later, he killed himself. The school, however, had been closed for seven months. There were no teachers. There were no students.

Also listed on the organization’s site is an incident from Jan. 20, when at 1 a.m. a man was shot at a sorority event on the campus of Wake Forest University. A week later, as a basketball game was being played at a Michigan high school, someone fired several rounds from a gun in the parking lot. No one was injured, and it was past 8 p.m., well after classes had ended for the day, but Everytown still labeled it a school shooting.

Everytown explains on its website that it defines a school shooting as “any time a firearm discharges a live round inside a school building or on a school campus or grounds.”
teedubbya Offline
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I only see 17 on their list since January. If you go back a year it’s over 50.

*shrug* I dunno. 1 is too many.
teedubbya Offline
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You can argue semantics but I’ve never discharged a live round (from a gun) in any buildings other than a range. meh.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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You've never done a desk pop?
teedubbya Offline
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From a gun? No.
Speyside Offline
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Amyl Nitrate?
DrafterX Offline
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I used to have a bb gun target in my apartment... Course I also used to stack the sofa cushions on da wall and hit golf balls into them... Beer
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