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Speyside Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 7:59 PM EST
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(CNN) Former Trump campaign adviser Rick Gates is finalizing a plea deal with special counsel Robert Mueller's office, indicating he's poised to cooperate in the investigation, according to sources familiar
ZRX1200 Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 8:03 PM EST
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Is this another process crime like Flynn, where he actually committed no crime of lying to the FBI but copped to the plea anyways......some evil schit going down in the swamp.
banderl Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 8:09 PM EST
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Lock him up!

Lock him up!

Lock him up!
banderl Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 8:15 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Is this another process crime like Flynn, where he actually committed no crime of lying to the FBI but copped to the plea anyways......some evil schit going down in the swamp.



Since Flynn is cooperating with the investigation, they gave him a break by just charging him with lying to the FBI.
I'm sure that there are more serious charges available for Mueller to use, if need be. That's how this stuff works.
ZRX1200 Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 8:22 PM EST
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RSXSKFqp6jM
banderl Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 8:37 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RSXSKFqp6jM



Just trying to help with your education about these things.
Speyside Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 8:50 PM EST
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Z, if I understand it right Flynn could have be charged under the Logan act. The article I read was not specific on what Gates did or didn't do.
ZRX1200 Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 8:54 PM EST
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Yeah, good luck with that....tell me again how many times someone has been convicted using that unconstitutional "law". If you know the details anyways you know that was past thin.

Bob I was joking with you buddy......I appreciate your passion.
Speyside Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 9:00 PM EST
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Didn't say it was good or bad, just thought that would be the logical charge.
banderl Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 9:03 PM EST
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The Logan act isn't it.
I'm sure that Mueller has a litany of charges for all of these guys.
Money laundering is probably at the top of the list for Gates.
ZRX1200 Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 9:07 PM EST
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You're sure of it. That's good enough for me.
teedubbya Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 9:12 PM EST
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Flynn plead even though he did nothing wrong just because he’s a dumb ass?
banderl Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 9:16 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
You're sure of it. That's good enough for me.



Time will tell.
teedubbya Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 9:17 PM EST
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I think gates has all sorts of legal issues in front of him.
frankj1 Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 9:25 PM EST
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soooo much money
banderl Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 9:32 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I think gates has all sorts of legal issues in front of him.



Not if he flips.
teedubbya Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 9:35 PM EST
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Flynn and his son were looking at many years in jail as are manafort and gates. Pappysnappydude was too. They chose door number 3 and didn’t do it because they did nothing wrong but process.
banderl Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 9:41 PM EST
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Flynn saved his a-hole kid's azz and is only looking at 5 years for himself.
ZRX1200 Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 9:41 PM EST
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I'm so glad you're out there telling the truth teedubya.
teedubbya Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 9:47 PM EST
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If you beleive Flynn did nothing wrong and was framed by procedure and plead just to plead because of that then good on you. I don’t beleive that. It takes an awful lot of reality bending and a lot of faith in trump and his crony’s being the only truthful ones.

Flynn was dirty and got caught. He and pappy were the start. Manafort stinks to high heaven and folks new it at the time. That’s no secret.
teedubbya Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 9:48 PM EST
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It defy logic that they are clean yet plead.
teedubbya Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 9:50 PM EST
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And I’m not even prepared to say trump did anything wrong. But these folks pleading did. You don’t plead to a greater charge.

Trump says taking the fifth means guilt. These folks are pleading guilty to lesser charges and cooperating.
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#23 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 9:50 PM EST
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I don't think this is anywhere near over. You don't get a deal unless you have something worth dealing for.
teedubbya Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 9:52 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I don't think this is anywhere near over. You don't get a deal unless you have something worth dealing for.


And have done something wrong and stand a substantial risk of the prosecutor proving it
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#25 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 9:52 PM EST
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tw- Flynn had nothing to worry about. He was under the Cohen of Protection...oh, wait.
never mind.
teedubbya Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 9:52 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
tw- Flynn had nothing to worry about. He was under the Cohen of Protection...oh, wait.
never mind.



Lol

It was his own fun of course
teedubbya Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 9:59 PM EST
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The thing that really cuts through fake news and spin is the law of parsimony. Mueller is and always has been a straight shooting Republican with a clean reputation even with some of the people throwing diversionary flares now. I don’t buy the he turned evil deep state crap and trump is the knight in shining white armor and the only one truthful crap. It doesn’t add up.

As I said, trump may be clean. Flynn, manafort, Gates, pappy snappy are not. All but manafort have or are on the cusp of admitting guilt. We don’t have to guess. Others may follow.
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#28 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 10:04 PM EST
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Hah, that there is funny stuff Frank. Thanks for the laugh.
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#29 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 10:06 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Hah, that there is funny stuff Frank. Thanks for the laugh.

I've been getting a lot of mileage out of that Cohen thing
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#30 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 10:13 PM EST
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Yeah just like Scooter Libby right teedubya?

Gimme a digging break.
teedubbya Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 10:16 PM EST
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Libby has nothing to do with this. This is about Flynn, Gates, pappy and manny. libby’s Case was his own and nothing but a yea but diversion.

These guys are admitting guilt to lessor charges. We do not have to guess. It’s not complicated.
teedubbya Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 10:19 PM EST
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I’ll see your just like scooter and raise a yea but OJ. Maybe these guys should use the scooter or Chewbacca defense.

Irrelevant but fun.
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#33 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2018, 10:28 PM EST
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Z, stop obfuscating. You are deflecting like Teflon tonight. If you could only get on topic and contain your comments to but look what Hillary did.

Sarcasm
banderl Offline
#34 Posted: Sun, Feb 18 2018, 5:08 PM EST
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Rick has agreed to squeal.
Look out Manafort.
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#35 Posted: Sun, Feb 18 2018, 5:45 PM EST
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Snitches get stitches... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#36 Posted: Sun, Feb 18 2018, 8:54 PM EST
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Does it really make it tighter?
DrafterX Offline
#37 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 1:17 PM EST
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If it's not tight it could be a personal problem... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#38 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 1:37 PM EST
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Well, you do know what gay men say when they hear a loud fart. Virgin.
delta1 Offline
#39 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 2:02 PM EST
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Something about Trump...he is able to inflict temporary blindness, deafness and specific anosmia on some previously rational people...especially those who are predisposed to accept being ruled by a wealthy self serving leader...
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delta1 wrote:
Something about Trump...he is able to inflict temporary blindness, deafness and specific anosmia on some previously rational people...especially those who are predisposed to accept being ruled by a wealthy self serving leader...


Only ones to blame on that is the dems for having that ignorant dirt bag Killary running against him.
teedubbya Offline
#41 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 2:43 PM EST
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Not the only ones but definitely part of the problem. But I think we can also blame folks that actually voted for him.
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#42 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 2:44 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Not the only ones but definitely part of the problem. But I think we can also blame folks that actually voted for him.

Like most Americans, I would rather have him than her.
teedubbya Offline
#43 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 2:49 PM EST
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Well we have him. It’s not my fault though.
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#44 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 2:49 PM EST
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paulkeck wrote:
Like most Americans, I would rather have him than her.


I think most Americans voted for her...BigGrin
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#45 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 2:53 PM EST
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This American definitely didn’t vote for her there’s no way I would see that woman in office I would vote for a dog before I voted for her
teedubbya Offline
#46 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 2:53 PM EST
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Actually that is true lol.
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#47 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 2:54 PM EST
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As for the rest of the country I don’t know what happen and I don’t care either way I doubt will really ever know the truth on this one
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#48 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 2:54 PM EST
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Phil222 wrote:
I think most Americans voted for her...BigGrin

Well if that's the case which very well could be, That's the best argument people can use that your vote doesn't count.
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#49 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 2:57 PM EST
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Sorry, not most...he seems to only have the support of 35-40% of the American public, according to the polls that measure his approval since he took office...


I seem to recall that the election had a three million difference in the number of votes between the candidates...Trump got 3 million fewer votes...that's a lot less than "most"


but he did win, in the way it matters most, by winning more states and by getting the most electoral votes.
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#50 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 3:01 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
but he did win, in the way it matters most, by winning more states and by getting the most electoral votes.


We need to toss the electoral college and enact rank choice voting.
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