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Jared Kushner, get ready to come on down...........
teedubbya Offline
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Lock her up lock her up is different?
paulkeck Offline
#52 Posted:
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Her dirt bag ass needs to be in an orange jumper...
HuckFinn Offline
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paulkeck wrote:
Her dirt bag ass needs to be in an orange jumper...

Pretty sure she has pant suits that are orange
banderl Offline
#54 Posted:
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paulkeck wrote:
Her dirt bag ass needs to be in an orange jumper...



I have a feeling that the orange imbecile will be locked up first.
delta1 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Democrats really don't want a democracy do they.... Mellow


Applause Applause Applause

the funniest post you've ever typed...bravo!!!
delta1 Offline
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It is interesting, though, how cons who started out saying the whole Russian thing is a made-up hoax intended to dis-credit Trump believed what he and his people said. Trump's followers were outraged and criticized everyone who discussed aspects of the investigation as it progressed.


Now, after Trump and his campaign people have been proven to have lied about meetings with Russians, investigators have revealed more detailed explanations about the extent and expense (way more than a $130K on Facebook) of Russian interference, past associations (some criminal) of some Trump campaign people connected to Russia and Ukraine have been exposed...


The Trump people, and his media outlet, have gone into super attack mode of the investigators...outraged over a deep-state conspiracy out to get the President.....sad...

Wiser cons have slowly started to see that the emperor has no clothes...


all the kings horses and all the king's men...
banderl Offline
#57 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
So Hillary is above the law and we should just forget about her... Trump needs to be impeached even tho there's no proof he committed any crime... Got it... Mellow



"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Not doing so well at this.
Could be impeached for this alone.

DrafterX Offline
#58 Posted:
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Can we get a little more drama please... Mellow
banderl Offline
#59 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Can we get a little more drama please... Mellow



Sure, here you go.


http://www.cigarbid.com/Forum/c/search/#0|25
Speyside Offline
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Good Hillary deflection X, but Hillary, what was that? Oh, Hillary has never even been formally charged. Ah, Hillary, everyone knows she's guilty. Um, of what, not being a conservative? Yeah, that's the ticket.
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Speyside wrote:
Good Hillary deflection X, but Hillary, what was that? Oh, Hillary has never even been formally charged. Ah, Hillary, everyone knows she's guilty. Um, of what, not being a conservative? Yeah, that's the ticket.

But...Trump has right?
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banderl wrote:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Not doing so well at this.
Could be impeached for this alone.


Oath taken by Hilary as Secretary of State......

An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services, shall take the following oath: “I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.” This section does not affect other oaths required by law.
(Pub. L. 89–554, Sept. 6, 1966, 80 Stat. 424.)

Benghazi jumps right to the fore front.....d'oh!
paulkeck Offline
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Oath taken by Hilary as Secretary of State......

An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services, shall take the following oath: “I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.” This section does not affect other oaths required by law.
(Pub. L. 89–554, Sept. 6, 1966, 80 Stat. 424.)

Benghazi jumps right to the fore front.....d'oh!


That was Trump and the Russians...they set her and Obama up.... the whities did it because he was black and she was sort of a woman
banderl Offline
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Oath taken by Hilary as Secretary of State......

An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services, shall take the following oath: “I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.” This section does not affect other oaths required by law.
(Pub. L. 89–554, Sept. 6, 1966, 80 Stat. 424.)

Benghazi jumps right to the fore front.....d'oh!



I seem to remember something about Benghazi.

The pubes were really trying to lay some blame on her for that.

How did that work out for them?
paulkeck Offline
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banderl wrote:
I seem to remember something about Benghazi.

The pubes were really trying to lay some blame on her for that.

How did that work out for them?


About as well as its worked against Trump..
banderl Offline
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paulkeck wrote:
About as well as its worked against Trump..



It's just starting, give it some time.
RMAN4443 Offline
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banderl wrote:
I seem to remember something about Benghazi.

The pubes were really trying to lay some blame on her for that.

How did that work out for them?

I seem to remember she lost an election she was so sure she was going to win she had reserved the Javits Center, complete with glass ceiling, for her acceptance celebration......

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-supporters-election_us_5822aad3e4b0d9ce6fbfe13c
banderl Offline
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RMAN4443 wrote:
I seem to remember she lost an election she was so sure she was going to win she had reserved the Javits Center, complete with glass ceiling, for her acceptance celebration......

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-supporters-election_us_5822aad3e4b0d9ce6fbfe13c


So what's your point?

Are they going to lock her up because of that?
RMAN4443 Offline
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banderl wrote:
So what's your point?

Are they going to lock her up because of that?


No, I don't see where I said that.....I was responding to your comment

banderl

I seem to remember something about Benghazi.

The pubes were really trying to lay some blame on her for that.

How did that work out for them?



she didn't get arrested, but she imploded in the electionBigGrin
banderl Offline
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RMAN4443 wrote:
No, I don't see where I said that.....I was responding to your comment

banderl

I seem to remember something about Benghazi.

The pubes were really trying to lay some blame on her for that.

How did that work out for them?



she didn't get arrested, but she imploded in the electionBigGrin


You mean that the Russians did everything to implode her election?

I voted for the weed dude.

At least he won't be removed from office in handcuffs.
Enjoy the show!
Burner02 Offline
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RUSSIAN BOT
banderl Offline
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Go troll a mall with your BFF, Roy, loser.
delta1 Offline
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The Russians have succeeded wildly...they have divided us irreparably...
banderl Offline
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delta1 wrote:
The Russians have succeeded wildly...they have divided us irreparably...



Them and the orange moron in chief.
Burner02 Offline
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banderl wrote:
Them and the orange moron in chief.




RUSSIAN BOT


banderl Offline
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Qatar Refused to Invest in Kushner’s Firm. Weeks Later, Jared Backed a Blockade of Qatar.
By
Eric Levitz
@EricLevitz


Perfecting the politics of personal profit.
Jared Kushner’s father met with Qatar’s minister of finance last April, to solicit an investment in the family’s distressed asset at 666 Fifth Avenue, according to a new report from the Intercept.

The Qataris shot him down.

Weeks later, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates organized a blockade of Qatar. The Gulf monarchies claimed that this act of aggression was a response to Donald Trump’s call for the Arab world to crack down on terrorists — after taking in the president’s majestic sermon in Riyadh, the Saudis simply couldn’t live with themselves if they didn’t take action to thwart Qatar’s covert financing of Islamist extremism.

In reality, the Saudis’ primary aim was to punish Doha for asserting its independence from Riyadh by, among other things, engaging with Iran and abetting Al Jazeera’s journalism. This was obvious to anyone familiar with the Saudis’ own affinity for (shamelessly) exporting jihadism — which is to say, anyone with a rudimentary understanding of Middle East politics.

And it was equally obvious that the United States had nothing to gain from a conflict between its Gulf allies. Qatar hosts one of America’s largest and most strategically important air bases in the Middle East. Any development that pushes Doha away from Riyadh pulls it toward Tehran. Thus, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson — and virtually every other arm of the U.S. government — scrambled to nip the blockade in the bud.

But Jared Kushner was (reportedly) an exception. Donald Trump was more than happy to endorse the idea that his speech had moved mountains, and commended the Saudis for punishing Qatar — first on Twitter, and then during a press conference in the Rose Garden. According to contemporary reports, his son-in-law was one of the only White House advisers to approve of this stance.

Perhaps, Kushner’s idiosyncratic view of the blockade had nothing to do with Qatar’s rejection of his father. Maybe the senior White House adviser simply wanted to tell Trump what the latter wished to hear.

But the government of Qatar, for one, thinks otherwise. As NBC News reports:

Qatari government officials visiting the U.S. in late January and early February considered turning over to Mueller what they believe is evidence of efforts by their country’s Persian Gulf neighbors in coordination with Kushner to hurt their country, four people familiar with the matter said. The Qatari officials decided against cooperating with Mueller for now out of fear it would further strain the country’s relations with the White House, these people said.

It’s worth noting that the project the Qatari foreign minister refused to finance wasn’t just one more item in the Kushner family’s portfolio; it was Jared’s baby — his misbegotten, sickly, drowning baby.

In 2007, Jared Kushner decided that the real-estate market had nowhere to go but up. And so the 26-year-old mogul decided to plow $500 million of his family’s money — and $1.3 billion in borrowed capital — into purchasing 666 Fifth Avenue for twice the price it had previously sold for. Even if we’d somehow avoided a global financial crisis, this would have been a bad bet: Before the crash, when the building was almost fully occupied, it generated only about two-thirds of the revenue the Kushners needed to keep up with their debt payments.

After the crisis, however, things got really hairy. The Kushners were forced to sell off the building’s retail space to pay their non-mortgage debt on the building — and then to hand over nearly half of the office space to Vornado as part of a refinancing agreement with the real-estate giant.

The office space that the Kushners retained is worth less than its $1.2 billion mortgage — which is due early in 2019. If their company can’t find some new scheme for refinancing and redeveloping the property by then, Kushner will have cost his family a fortune.

And Jared really doesn’t want that to happen. In the months between his father-in-law’s election and inauguration, Kushner divided his time between organizing the transition, and seeking capital from (suddenly quite interested) investors aligned with foreign governments: During that period, Kushner attempt to secure a $400 million loan from the Chinese insurance firm Anbang, and a $500 million one from former Qatari prime minister and billionaire investor Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim al-Thani, also known as “HBJ.” Anbang pulled out once the deal attracted critical media scrutiny, and HBJ jumped ship when the Kushners failed to find a second major source of capital.

In those same weeks, Kushner met with Sergey Gorkov, head of the Kremlin-affiliated Vnesheconombank. The senior White House adviser has insisted that this meeting was strictly political; Gorkov maintains it was strictly business.

All of these interactions are currently being scrutinized by Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

They have also, apparently, been studied by top government officials in the United Arab Emirates, China, Israel, and Mexico — all of whom have privately discussed strategies for exploiting Jared Kushner’s business interests for geopolitical gain, according to a report from the Washington Post on Wednesday.

And if America’s allies and adversaries are looking for further (circumstantial) evidence that U.S. foreign policy might be for sale, the New York Times provided some this week, when it revealed that Kushner’s family company had won $500 million in financing last year from a pair of American firms right after their top executives had White House meetings with one Jared Kushner.

Maybe all of this looks worse than it is. But it looks like the president’s son-in-law worked to sour relations with a key U.S. ally in the Middle East — which has since drifted further into the orbit of a regime hostile to the United States — because it refused to bail out his family’s underwater real-estate investment.

Even if this is appearance is deceiving, why isn’t the mere semblance of such high corruption enough to bounce Kushner from the White House? Are Kushner’s personal skills really more valuable than his conflicts of interest are toxic? Is a real-estate heir who has no policy-making experience, background in geopolitics, or security clearance — but does have significant business interests in Israel — really such an ideal choice for brokering peace in the Middle East?

Kushner’s sole qualification for his senior White House position (beyond having been born and betrothed to the right people) is the business savvy that allowed him to avoid squandering his family’s enormous fortune — and if he doesn’t auction off American foreign policy for an emergency loan, he very well may have to delete that item from his résumé.
delta1 Offline
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and the fact that half of a billion $ in loans he did get for the Kushner family business came AFTER meeting with top people from various finance companies in the WH sure looks fishy...

Kushner, Ivanka and Trump all give the appearance of cashing in while in office, representing their own personal interests while ignoring, at best, or betraying, at worst, American interests
banderl Offline
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delta1 wrote:


Kushner, Ivanka and Trump all give the appearance of cashing in while in office, representing their own personal interests while ignoring, at best, or betraying, at worst, American interests



That's because they are cashing in.

Hopefully, our worthless representatives in Washington will tighten up our ethics laws, so something like this never happens again.
delta1 Offline
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Those spineless creeps let Trump run off the director of the Ethics Commission and basically neuter it...not much headway made when lawsuits filed regarding Trump's violations of the emoluments clause were dismissed...judge said it's up to Congress to hold the President accountable...good luck with that as long as the GOP is in charge...


I sincerely doubt the same Congress would've stood idly by if a Dem president and his family did all the stuff Trump and his family does...
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Speyside wrote:
Actually Drafter, I think it's honest. Many Americans deeply hate what he has done to our nation. There are to many lemmings running around who are unwilling to see the damage he does every day. If he was a Democrat I think most if not all of us who disparage him now would still be disparaging him. He is a cancer and is destroying us. Think hard, why won't he call out Putin even though it has been proved without a shadow of a doubt that the Russians interfered with our presidential election. This is tantamount to war? Why won't he impose the additional sanctions congress has approved? I and many others aren't interested in wearing blinders.



Wow have you ever become a whiney left leaning SJW....have fun with it Mr PC
Speyside Offline
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Nah, I just like the truth.
Speyside Offline
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To bad you are one of those lemmings.
TMCTLT Offline
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Speyside wrote:
To bad you are one of those lemmings.



You never really did fool me with your PM's trying to convince me your conservative.....and your a FOOL for trying
teedubbya Offline
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Yea when similar was typed about obama it was simply true. Anyone rational knew that. After all he and his type hates America.

Trump on the other hand is doing awesome. How can anyone say differently? Just ask Steven Miller. He shall not be questioned.
DrafterX Offline
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da midnight toker..?? Huh
HuckFinn Offline
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Jared is dirty and I'm sure Donald is glad he's gone.
Finally, he can relax.
And begin presidentin'
Speyside Offline
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On some topics I am conservative. Such as gun control. On other topics I am liberal. Such as abortion. This president is an Ahole. To feel that he and his entourage are bad for the country has nothing to do with political beliefs. Its eyes wide open. As far as mud slinging, have at it. I don't intend to do that. Though I will argue about opinions I disagree with. I do think your constant support of Trump is rather mindless. But that is one of the things that makes America great. We both have freedom of speech.
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Speyside wrote:
On some topics I am conservative. Such as gun control. On other topics I am liberal. Such as abortion. This president is an Ahole. To feel that he and his entourage are bad for the country has nothing to do with political beliefs. Its eyes wide open. As far as mud slinging, have at it. I don't intend to do that. Though I will argue about opinions I disagree with. I do think your constant support of Trump is rather mindless. But that is one of the things that makes America great. We both have freedom of speech.


Too bad it's just freedom of speech and not requirement to really listen.
We'd all be better off.
delta1 Offline
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so not one con is outraged that Kushner orchestrated a blockade against a country because it denied his request that it loan his company half a billion dollars?

Even though that country has been a staunch ally in the ME...a country that has allowed us to build and operate a military air base...a place where we have 10,000 troops deployed along with support weapons...

Thank goodness he finally got a buncha loans totaling half a billion for the company...or we might be in a deeper mess...


I guess this is business as usual and not at all like asking for additional money for security to protect an embassy in hostile territory...having the request denied...then being blamed when the place is attacked and four people get killed, including the ambassador...
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delta1 wrote:
so not one con is outraged that Kushner orchestrated a blockade against a country because it denied his request that it loan his company half a billion dollars?

Even though that country has been a staunch ally in the ME...a country that has allowed us to build and operate a military air base...a place where we have 10,000 troops deployed along with support weapons...

Thank goodness he finally got a buncha loans totaling half a billion for the company...or we might be in a deeper mess...


I guess this is business as usual and not at all like asking for additional money for security to protect an embassy in hostile territory...having the request denied...then being blamed when the place is attacked and four people get killed, including the ambassador...

have I not been saying not really votes, but money and influence?

tip of the iceberg...
HuckFinn Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
have I not been saying not really votes, but money and influence?

tip of the iceberg...

Isn't Iceberg a Jewish name?
HuckFinn Offline
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And if so Frank, do you mean the evidentiary remains of a circumcision?
tailgater Offline
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Speyside wrote:
Actually Drafter, I think it's honest. Many Americans deeply hate what he has done to our nation. There are to many lemmings running around who are unwilling to see the damage he does every day. If he was a Democrat I think most if not all of us who disparage him now would still be disparaging him. He is a cancer and is destroying us. Think hard, why won't he call out Putin even though it has been proved without a shadow of a doubt that the Russians interfered with our presidential election. This is tantamount to war? Why won't he impose the additional sanctions congress has approved? I and many others aren't interested in wearing blinders.


Why is an opposing viewpoint akin to being a lemming?

HuckFinn Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Why is an opposing viewpoint akin to being a lemming?


lem·ming
ˈlemiNG/
noun
a small, short-tailed, thickset rodent related to the voles, found in the Arctic tundra.
a person who unthinkingly joins a mass movement, especially a headlong rush to destruction.
"the flailings of the lemmings on Wall Street"
teedubbya Offline
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I’ve been wondering about tails question for about 9 years.
Speyside Offline
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Anyone who blindly follows Trump is a lemming. Some here fall into that category. Would you not have used the same phrase about certain Obama supporters?
tailgater Offline
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Speyside wrote:
Anyone who blindly follows Trump is a lemming. Some here fall into that category. Would you not have used the same phrase about certain Obama supporters?


I'll do you one better.
Anyone who blindly opposes Trump is a lemming.

tailgater Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
I’ve been wondering about tails question for about 9 years.


So ya gonna say yes or what?
I've still got the ring.


teedubbya Offline
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I’m Irish. That ring is too big.
Speyside Offline
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So you won't answer about Obama? Typical of you. I look at what Trump does or doesn't do. Probably 90% of what he does I oppose. 10% I agree with. You want to keep deflecting? Or are you going to answer my question? You certainly are a master baiter.

So I will answer for you. You opposed the majority of what Omama did. You agreed with a small amount of what he did. So that must make you un American.

Now defend your position if you can.
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